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rylanadionysis
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For all of the negativity PWE/Cryptic gets, at least they are honest.
"You will pay, and you will pay X, to receive Y"
They dont say "You will pay X, but after you pay X, we will also ask you to pay Z, before you can receive Y"
>_>
I dunno a nugget of positivity from a pissed off Zenimax customer. >=/
Definitely not the worst in that regard eh? Quite possibly the most honest business model. For all the bugs and balance issues, at least when you guys take my money i GET WHAT I BOUGHT.
*sigh*
"You will pay, and you will pay X, to receive Y"
They dont say "You will pay X, but after you pay X, we will also ask you to pay Z, before you can receive Y"
>_>
I dunno a nugget of positivity from a pissed off Zenimax customer. >=/
Definitely not the worst in that regard eh? Quite possibly the most honest business model. For all the bugs and balance issues, at least when you guys take my money i GET WHAT I BOUGHT.
*sigh*
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A little lost here. What happened with Scrollocaust?
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I will say though that in general terms I agree, some naysayers will tell you that Cryptic changing things (like the Rep system) is an example of them NOT giving you what you paid for ...
I do like the fact that this game cannot, in any way shape or form be tagged P2W ... As it's one of the few (only?) MMO I know of that absolutely and totally EVERYTHING is available for free ... You might have to spend a little (or a lot) of in game time to get items, but they ARE technically free!
It's a good PFE (Pay For Ease) business model.
Purchase a box copy of the game, comes with 30 days game time.
Find out when you register the game (there is literally nowhere on the box that says you have to do the following) that in order to use the 30 days you either have to
a. authorize them to place a 15 dollar hold on your credit card which will charge at the end of the 30 days, effectively paying them 30 days early without actually transferring the money. You still cant use it
b. purchasing another game time card and applying it, which nullifies your 30 day free time AND are currently unavailable in the US markets so must be purchased via credit card from UK or Australian vendors.
TL;DR - If you pay cash for games normally, youre screwed.
They shouldnt need to hold the next months sub or flat out charge me for it so I can get my free time, that is bait and switch and technically highly illegal since my included time is counting down as we speak (not even technically free, the box costs 60 or 80 dollars depending on which version you get).
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Seriously, as a rather unsatisfied ex-customer of Blizzard, Turbine, CCP, R2 Games (which doesn't even try), and the monkey house known as EA, among others, I have to give Cryptic Software an A+ grade on corporate ethics.
Especially when compared to the other companies I've had the misfortune to encounter.
This^^^^^
Best freemium business model that I know of. I ground every one of the 5000 ZEN that my Scimitar pack cost the hard way--with surveys and dil. It took me 3 months, but I got the Scimitar bundle, and now my main can PUG KASE and/or ISE with a rubbish team, get the optional, and not die once.
Grind or pay. Much better than some models I have encountered. *cough*SWTOR*cough*
I've actually argued for quite a while that this isn't the case. I know that you're trying to find a positive for all of the negatives on the forums, but they're really not honest, and while they're not out right lying, they're not really being too open with the truth either. Take Legacy of Romulus for example. They touted how the romulans were going to be their own faction with all these great things, and lo and behold, they're not even a real faction. So much so, that they're forced to join the existing factions and can't really advance in a lot of ways without doing so. They even get all of the limitations of that faction (no kit visuals, no armor, etc).
At the same time, they posted a blog about the Character creator 2.0 talking about how they've pretty much redone the entire thing from the ground up, and how much hard work had gone into it and this and that. When it came to tribble, and then to live, it was pretty much just a new UI. That's it. There were no new features, maybe a few hairstyles (some of which had been removed because they were unfinished), but there were no real improvements anywhere. They could have at least made the skins full body, or added in some of the sliders from Champions. Those are already built into the engine and would add a great deal more customization, but no... The Character creator 2.0 was just a new UI.
They've been very dishonest since well before this game, and with PWE influencing them, it's only been made worse, and will continue to do so. There are many more examples showcasing the lack of honesty, but there really isn't enough time or space to write them all out here. Ask any Klingon or lifer who has been here since beta, ask anyone in zone chat even.
While there are many good and decent people working at Cryptic, and on this game, many times they are held to a negative corporate standard in terms of what they can and can't say, and sometimes things honestly just don't work out as they would have intended. Does it make them bad people? No. But Cryptic, as a whole, has made a very bad reputation for itself and has many documented cases of being not so honest.
STO had great hype, and then... you know what happened.;)
that being said.. I do not think this is a game of pay x and get y only...
how many times have we paid for say galaxy x, then they release galaxy y (the same thing with a console, and then release galaxy z. in the end, I have paid for 3 ships.. so no, I didn't pay for x, I had to also pay for y and z at later times..
lock boxes, I opened a few this week, and got hosed.. the only thing I knew I was gonna get was 4 lobi per box.. everything else was a big mystery what if..
or, go grind your heart out (remembering that time is money) for 14 days, get a ship, and then they release a better version 2 weeks later for sale on the c store..
like I said, ill agree that they are one of the better free to play models.. but.. they are far from being uncorrupt themselves..
also, this game is more pay to win than others are.. don't argue it, look at the scimitar, there are more examples, but that one is the king of all examples..
Thats funny when almost 75% of the cstore ships are broken in some way (specially grahpic glitches) not to mention the fleet versions.. so.. actually NO, i dont get what i buy. Not even doing that cryptic is honest, sorry.
And since they will never fix those glitches, unfortunately, i dont think we can call em honest, not by far. And of course, im talking only about ships.. :cool:
I could have swore I read that somewhere, but the game doesn't tickle my fancy enough to really even look into it. At least not after I was in beta for it.
Would this be happening before or after the rebalance or outright nerf of said product ?
Remember , the first 6 weeks of a Cryptic product live is actually the real QA phase .
And then there are the Kitty's who get nerfed a year after they have been introduced ... .
And I'm pretty sure I could list moar stuff but I just woke up so the brain is even less efficient then usual ... .
Oh quit crying !
You promised us that when Scrolls hit , you'd be gone !
I have to disagree on that.
Pay x to receive y is something I could live with.
What we have is lockbox gamble
And that "after you pay x we will ask you to pay z before you can receive y" part...
..pay 50 $ to receive Dyson destroyer to have to buy lockboxes for additional 50 $ to buy lobby version if you missed the event or made a new character to make that ship fully work.. That is exactly what they say...
Nope not an honest business model, and the Dyson thingy shows it's getting worst..
The Valdore console's change was a BUG FIX, not a nerf. EULA says they are allowed to modify items if they think they are causing problems.
Rep powers were never paid for, so dont toss them into this argument.
More like "You will pay X, to receive Y. But afterwards, because certain PvP folks and friends keep pushing for it, we will nerf X down to 50%. So, haha on you for paying Y!"
LOL, you are fooling yourself, but well. If receiving broken and bugged things is what you bought, then yes. I still wonder why people waste 1 single cent in this game, seriously.
Because overall you get far better stuff for your dollar than any other MMO out there including wow and for.
CRUISERS NEED A 206% HULL BUFF
Hardley. My Molag Bal statue wipes the floor with anything else I've had in STO, lols.
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And that why you should never pay for power in any computer game. The power may be taken away, because someone wants the game to be balanced.
It would be really easy for Cryptic to sell you more power. They could sell everyone a +5 % bonus to all damage and hull for 500 Zen. Stack as often as you like. STF too hard? Just spend 50,000 Zen, and a single space bar press and every enemy will explode.
But Cryptic doesn't sell the +5 % bonus to damage and hull. They sell ships with consoles and all that, which is quite a complicated way to sell power - if that's what they want to sell you.
If you really go out and buy certain ships only because they are more poweful than the alternatives, you have to ask yourself - would you buy that +5 % bonus to damage and hull ability? How many stacks would you buy? WHat would you do if you realize that Cryptic is also adding 5 % of extra damage and hull points to every NPC with each new content, so you have to keep up?
My advice is to stop crying that something got nerfed that was too powerful, because Cryptic may hear you and realize that the only thing they need to do to get money from you is selling you a +5 % extra damage and hull item on the C-Store.
Wait... if I am going to apply my Game Time card, the 30 days free will be nullified? Are you sure?
Right now, I just used the PayPal of a friend to unlock my 30 days of free time. I planned to cancel it before the 30 days are over and to apply my Game time card then. But I didn't realize that would nullify the remaining free time?