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The Space Shovel. (Star Cruisers) and other classic son-cannon ships.
stomperx99
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Before the Odyssey, the Star Cruisers such as the Emissary Class were one of the most popular non-canon ships made by Cryptic in the early days of STO. I'm not going to lie and say I was here since beta, however I've been here since July 2010 and I always wanted to fly the Emissary Class, you remember when they had the nice little video and pictures, good times. So there are the other classic STO ships like Bacon... Ohhhh yeahhh... Baaacoon... I MEAN, like the Deep Space Science Vessel and the Fleet Escort now known as the Patrol Escort. I guess the whole point of this thread is to see which ship is your favorite out of the three and which one you look forward to the most when ranking up.
My favorite would be the Emissary Class Star Shovel.
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My favorite would be the Emissary Class Star Shovel.
Leave some feedback please...
Thanks and see you around...
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I miss the Star Cruiser mostly. Vanguard come back!
Voting Star Cruiser revamp/refit !
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Does this mean we can have a "Cryptic, What's your beef with the Star Cruiser?" thread?
If we address the gameplay problems that are making the Star & Exploration Cruisers weak in the first place, their setups won't need altering at all. AND they'd bother be fixed at the same time if done right.
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yeah my previous post was a joke. I think the real answer to these engineering heavy ships is new engineering powers. They don't need to add dps powers, they could be more debuff and buff powers. Hopefully powers that help the whole team and not just it's own ship.
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I would definitely like to see more engineering powers in general. Cruisers especially have always had problems with their lower level power slots due to overlapping cooldowns, although pretty much every class has problems with the "third ensign." But to make cruisers more relevant they'd have to change how NPC combat works. For the most part NPCs either don't hit for much at all or they have huge single attacks that invalidate all but the absolute strongest defenses, their damage needs to be more spread out over time (pressure damage rather than spike) and more focused on specific targets to promote cruisers actively gaining aggression so they can do the job they were meant to do.
Perhaps what needs to be done is, rather than introducing all-new powers, split up some existing ones. Spreading out the defensive engineering powers would reduce the defenses of all ships, but cruisers would be the least affected in theory because they have more slots to hold those types of powers, while science vessels would still be able to slot their defensive science powers to maintain some level of survivability and leaving escorts the most affected. Cruiser captains who want to keep a more offensive mindset could still do so, since many of the offense-oriented engineering powers don't really have anything to split.
Combine the reduced resistances on ships in general and an increase in NPC combat capabilities and suddenly having a "tank" becomes useful again. And before anyone says it, yes, I think escort defense should be nerfed a bit. If you want to fly the main damage class ships, fine, but they're supposed to be glass cannons to varying degrees.
I'm not really sure where I would start with splitting up engineering powers though, and I still wouldn't mind seeing a few new powers and effects as well.
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I think some of the more, cult like Galaxy fans would not like that idea... :P
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We never got a Star Cruiser refit, did we? Hmm ...
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In the Exploration Cruiser's layout, you have no ability to actually DO anything beyond sit there like a brick. Attempting to compromise your loadout so that you CAN do things actually leaves you still worse at doing those things AND worse at being a brick at the same time. In fact, it isn't even really good at being a brick, since a ship's toughness tends to originate from a combination of Eng and Sci powers, not just one or the other.
In the Star Cruiser's layout, the same applies, except that it's a bit better at being a brick than the Galaxy was, and still manages to do more damage due to its console layout. The layout is still fundamentally passive, however, as it possesses inadequate Tactical Power combined with a lack of higher-level Sci Powers: All low-level Sci powers are still mostly passive in nature, and it isn't until you unlock LtC Sci that you can do things.
As an example of a non-DPS-centric ship done RIGHT, you look at the Ambassador "Support Cruiser". It has sufficient tactical clout to still inflict damage, enough Engineering to still be tough, and a Sci slotting that enables you to DO THINGS. While the ship will never be a truly monstrous DPS machine due to its lack of high-level Tac powers, it will acquit itself adequately in a fight, and bring a good selection of Sci and Eng powers to the table at the same time. It is everything the Galaxy should have been. In contrast, the Star Cruiser cannot do this, as instead of a single LtC Sci, it hosts the same number of Sci powers in the form of low-level Lt and Ensign powers. These powers aren't necessarily BAD, but they do nothing to address the extremely passive nature of the ship's layout.
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I wasnt talking about making the star cruiser op as hell, just bring it on a level with the Sci Oddy.
Anyways, for balancing it's too late, the mess with the romulans has happened, cryptic won't nerf them.
However, since i try to play the game as i want to, and set my ships up the way i like, i enjoy the game again. I said "goodbye" to power creep. You can get rid of it, just ignore the voice saying "I need to reach xxxxx DPS". You don't. You need to play the game so it makes fun to you. And if that means be the tank in PvEs where it's unnessesary, just do it. The others will have the dps to compensate.
My way to get rid of power creep.
Just sayin'
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Honestly, my concerns are mainly lore driven. All of Cryptic's designs don't make much sense, there are so many odd ship types all serving the same purpose, it's too cluttered in my opinion. I personally would fuse the Star and Exploration Cruisers together into one class, completely interchangeable boff layouts and skins. That would make more sense.
Gameplay wise I share the sentiment that there is no future in releasing refits of every ship that just brings them to "not as bad" status in regard of the ongoing power creep - the gameplay itself needs changing, especially engineering abilities need more versatility. But even then cancel the Star and Exploration Cruisers each other out, they fill the exact same gap. To me the non-canon version of those two just feels superflous.
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The problem is that the Star Cruiser is bad at BOTH. The Ambassador, for instance, is superior in both damage AND ability, as it has LtC Sci instead of merely Lt Sci max, which enables it to begin doing serious Science to things, AND it still has the Tactical abilities to function as a damage-dealer.
On top of that, it's just plain outclassed by newer offerings like the Odyssey, which can do everything the Star Cruiser can do, only better, as the Sci Oddy has SA, the Star Cruiser simply doesn't, while sharing the same boff and console layouts...except the Oddy isn't locked into that layout. Why pay 4 Fleet Modules for a character-only ship when you can get a better ship accountwide from the C-Store? This alone assures the Star Cruiser's permanent death: No matter WHAT mechanical change may occur to make that layout more useful, the Oddy will always outclass it, and doesn't cost 4 freaking modules.
And I really do not like the thinking of this thread so far. You are all agreeing on a solution that doesn't make sense because you all want to enjoy the game how you want to enjoy it and not how the game is currently being provided. "Take from one ship or gimp one ship class so another ship class that YOU YOURSELF ENJOY can become relevant." it's ridiculous. And you're all on board. That is like having a race and shooting all the fast people in the leg so the slower people have a chance to win as well. How does that make sense to anyone is beyond me, but it parallels the exact same thing you people are saying. Gimp Eng skills so Escorts can be useless so cruisers which still have their uses can become more useful or out modded and out dated ships can return to the front line. I myself am a tactical officer and a staunch escort user. You are in essence telling me that the item I paid for should be gimped so the item you got for free can become relevant? No. Just as you don't care about my current enjoyment of the game as it is being provided, I don't care about your cruiser that has been left in the stone ages not by players but by the game itself. You are basically trying to punish players so you can enjoy your ship. No thank you. Think again, come up with a better solution that's not a "So what, I want what I want. F you." To other players or they are going to respond the same.
Game play does not remain the same it evolves and just like in evolution the better equipped to survive the current environment live and those that don't, die. It happens. YOU either need to evolve with the game and change your builds, or YOU need to get a ship more equipped to handle the current content. You can't go through a game pressing BBA, BBA, BBA and think that combo is going to get you through Street Fighter. And when it stops working, instead of learning a new combo you want the game gimped so you can continue pressing BBA to win. No.
This is definitely not the discussion the op had in mind for his trip down memory lane. This is not a platform for you to discuss your own matters. Post a Ship from the past and remember it's abilities and memories and stop trying to make it relevant in this new era.
Just as I posted before. The Patrol Escort was my past ship of choice. Durable, reliable and heavy hitting. It's build is legendary and is directly or in directly the base layout for all the op Fed Escorts of the day. if you give it one more tactical slot to match current ships it would stand shoulder to shoulder with any ship of it's class.
You need to calm down, I created this thread to see what were players ship looked forward to when ranking up and to discuss the old days.I'm not looking for ANOTHER reboot thread nor I'm looking for a fight.
Now, which costume is your favorite out of the Patrol Escort.
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