Unlike Aux2Keybind beam boats, the JHAS actually requires... wait for it... skill to fly!
I have one. It's amazing and worth what people sell it for. Unless you just fly around in it expecting to auto-win like with aforementioned FAWboats, in which case it will seem worthless.
Devs please nerf exchange maximum price from 500M to 200M and it'll OK
Actual key price 2,7M/125zen....21 600EC = 1zen
JHAS price 450M/21,6k= 20 833 zen
Recently, I decided I wanted a Bug ship. All that advertising must have finally got to me.
In any case, I bought promo packs and turned around and sold them on the exchange, (because I wanted to buy the bug ship not a chance to win one). Bought and sold 60 promo packs, (40x7049999 ec+20x7149999 ec) added to around 5 million stating capital and bought the bug for 428 million ec and change. 60x275=16500zen.
What can I say, I'm crazy. Still, if the odds of getting a bug are worse than 1/60, (anyone have any stats with a decent sample size?), I'd say I came out ahead.
5 of the packs were bonus/dilithium zen so I figure I got mine for 55*275=15125 zen
Assuming the packs still work the same way after the promotion, their value will only increase on the exchange, thus you could probably get more for them - however bug prices will increase as well.
Recently, I decided I wanted a Bug ship. All that advertising must have finally got to me.
In any case, I bought promo packs and turned around and sold them on the exchange, (because I wanted to buy the bug ship not a chance to win one). Bought and sold 60 promo packs, (40x7049999 ec+20x7149999 ec) added to around 5 million stating capital and bought the bug for 428 million ec and change. 60x275=16500zen.
What can I say, I'm crazy. Still, if the odds of getting a bug are worse than 1/60, (anyone have any stats with a decent sample size?), I'd say I came out ahead.
5 of the packs were bonus/dilithium zen so I figure I got mine for 55*275=15125 zen
Assuming the packs still work the same way after the promotion, their value will only increase on the exchange, thus you could probably get more for them - however bug prices will increase as well.
The lockbox odds are .5%, or 1:200. Since JHAS odds are adjusted to be the same relative to price...
.5/125 = x/275
137.5 = 125x
1.1 = x
The odds of getting a JHAS are 1.1%, or roughly 1 in every 90 packs.
Was just in game ya its +35% all energy resistance no matter the aux level.
Still ya by rocking the 2 back and forth you shouldn't really have to worry about hitting a2d with low aux anyway. If you get into a turn battle with a bug or something... switch to a high aux setting for a few seconds... then for 24s you will out turn them for the most part unless they are using the same trick.
The spire warp core works really really well on the hirogen with a2b / a2d. The power drain resist is awsome when a2b is up your weapons hit very hard... and if you need to swap to a high aux setting for a few seconds the increased power transfer on that core is pretty awsome. I have been using that with hazards 2 and a PH with omegas... between the resistance from the PH and Damp doff... and switching to a higher aux setting before using any of it. It is very tanky. That ship also has 4 engi consoles so I been running 2-3 armors on it.
As others have said it really is a great ship and very underrated by most people. Anyone that doesn't have one should grab one while they are inexpensive. To be honest I don't see many people opening the hirogen boxes down the line. Just not enough in it to justify the key over opening an elachi or one of the other boxes with a good return on it.
It is one of the most versatile and powerful ships in the game - the Hunter Escort - yet most people have no idea just how good it is with and Aux to Bat and Aux to Dam set-up. Even as a GASP = beam boat it powers through everything around it. Throw on the 180 flip console for some extra fun. Eventually people will wise up that this is the best all around escort in the game(the JHAS actually needs much more skill to get the full use out of her), just as the Temporal is the best science ship in the game.
Look at the Temporal price now - $150+? So I picked up 15 Hunter escorts @ around $60 mil. When we switch to the Undine box and more people see how great(but ugly) the ship performs I easily expect the price to go over $100 mil. Probably never hit the temporal or Galor level - just because those boxes are not that great so people wont open them - but it is definitely going to be much more that $70 mill
The lockbox odds are .5%, or 1:200. Since JHAS odds are adjusted to be the same relative to price...
.5/125 = x/275
137.5 = 125x
1.1 = x
The odds of getting a JHAS are 1.1%, or roughly 1 in every 90 packs.
Ah cool, thanks. I had read somewhere that they had changed it but wasn't sure if it was proportional or not.
Still, even if the odds were 1/50 or lower, I would have still gone the exchange root. Opening boxes is fine if I'm doing it for fun and don't really care about the outcome. If I've got something I really want, a specific goal, I doubt I could ever leave it to chance - especially with the market right there.
Ah cool, thanks. I had read somewhere that they had changed it but wasn't sure if it was proportional or not.
Still, even if the odds were 1/50 or lower, I would have still gone the exchange root. Opening boxes is fine if I'm doing it for fun and don't really care about the outcome. If I've got something I really want, a specific goal, I doubt I could ever leave it to chance - especially with the market right there.
1/90 is the BEST case scenario - more likely to be 1/100+
Last sampling on the lock boxes come out in the 1/230ish range
So the "raw" cost of EVERY jhas on the exchange is 100x275 zen or 27,500 zen
Almost $300!!! US dollars for a piece of pixels!! Yikes.
Don't bother with the Bug. You're basically playing scratch lotto tickets. Someones going to win. Just not you. :P An aux2bat marion FAW cruiser represents a far better value for your credits. Even without marion you're looking at a better boat for a fraction of the investment.
Nope! Its just that anyone would expect to get more out of a ship they paid 400 million EC than one that was only 70 million. That's the point I'm getting at. The attack ship is not worth that much.
Reminds me of the old Battletech card game WotC did years ago. Some of the rare cards were pretty pathetic. Using them was more of a symbol of luck/big money sunk into buying cards than actual OP-ness.
The bug is 400M cause it's hard to get (and/or 'good press') not because it's 5-6 times better than the Hirogen ship.
Sometimes I think I play STO just to have something to complain about on the forums.
It is one of the most versatile and powerful ships in the game - the Hunter Escort - yet most people have no idea just how good it is with and Aux to Bat and Aux to Dam set-up. Even as a GASP = beam boat it powers through everything around it. Throw on the 180 flip console for some extra fun. Eventually people will wise up that this is the best all around escort in the game(the JHAS actually needs much more skill to get the full use out of her), just as the Temporal is the best science ship in the game.
Look at the Temporal price now - $150+? So I picked up 15 Hunter escorts @ around $60 mil. When we switch to the Undine box and more people see how great(but ugly) the ship performs I easily expect the price to go over $100 mil. Probably never hit the temporal or Galor level - just because those boxes are not that great so people wont open them - but it is definitely going to be much more that $70 mill
It's really funny how many people don't know how powerful an aux2damp/aux2bat chain is. Somehow everyone still seems to think that you always have two chain two copies of aux2bat. I too have begun to hoard Hirogen Hunter ships in my bank account. One day the news will spread and everyone and their mothers will want to fly this ship.
The JHAS is worth that much because of its rarity.
It is also hands down one of the best ships in the game for dogfighting and has far superior handling characteristics than the Hirogen ship.
I like the Hunter don't get me wrong its just not =.
THe reason the JHAS goes for 400-500... and in the next 3 months back to 700. Is simple.
You are only able to pick one up for a few weeks once or twice a year at most. While anyone that will be willing to open a hirogen box for ever more will be able to pull one.
So there is a constant supply of Hunters.
JHAS are a very limited supply it is NOT a lockbox ship.
Believe it or not most people are not stupid... they know if they got a Jem ship right now... that after a month or two of the current promotion ending... they will all dry up on the exchange... and go back to back ally trade deals for 600-800 million ec each.
So thats why only 3 pvp people still use it ? lol those nOObs :rolleyes:
I think that you cannot afford it and are sad its such highly priced.
Too bad, STO's exchange has always been a free market, and there is no point in posting or discussing it. Only vets seem to respect it these days, newcomers and f2p'ers always want to nerf it all, cuz yeah, game is free2play right? Why spend money or pay on stuff in a game these days
Oh wait, f2p is what ruined this whole game in the first place.
Imagine if that free market would get a sale tax like in real life...just imagine the rage
Economy is not the strong point of the average sto player....nor logic ,thinking ,common sense lol
It's really funny how many people don't know how powerful an aux2damp/aux2bat chain is. Somehow everyone still seems to think that you always have two chain two copies of aux2bat. I too have begun to hoard Hirogen Hunter ships in my bank account. One day the news will spread and everyone and their mothers will want to fly this ship.
It really is a shame how most people, who don't have a Hirogen ship, aren't hip to your genius build. I mean, why doesn't everyone know this? With the glut of overpowered builds out there, why didn't everyone buy a Hirogen ship, give it this build, and start sticking their noses in the air?
It really is a shame how most people, who don't have a Hirogen ship, aren't hip to your genius build. I mean, why doesn't everyone know this? With the glut of overpowered builds out there, why didn't everyone buy a Hirogen ship, give it this build, and start sticking their noses in the air?
You don't actually need the ship to see this. Just take a look at its stats and use your brain for once.
You don't actually need the ship to see this. Just take a look at its stats and use your brain for once.
There you go. Instead of going through all that explanation, just call people stupid in the first place. Saves a lot of time. I mean, that was the purpose of your post, wasn't it? You really think people are funny for not coming to the exact same conclusion about a particular ship with a particular build that might make it slightly easier to plow through easy STFs? Maybe PVP is full of Hirogen ships clobbering everyone. Or PVP players are stupid too. Who knows.
There you go. Instead of going through all that explanation, just call people stupid in the first place. Saves a lot of time. I mean, that was the purpose of your post, wasn't it? You really think people are funny for not coming to the exact same conclusion about a particular ship with a particular build that might make it slightly easier to plow through easy STFs? Maybe PVP is full of Hirogen ships clobbering everyone. Or PVP players are stupid too. Who knows.
You already fail to understand that my post above wasn't meant as an arrogant statement, but is essentially a reply to those people a few pages before this one who claimed that my post on page 2 regarding the aux2damp/aux2bat builds would not work properly ingame. The very same people who run after the JHAS like maniacs because they think it's 'the best ship in the game', even though there are very viable alternatives to it which cost way less than 400 million EC.
But please go on and continue your senseless raging :rolleyes:
So thats why only 3 pvp people still use it ? lol those nOObs :rolleyes:
3? not sure who you are fighting, still lots of bug ships. With the cloak hunting sci builds catching on you can expect plenty of current silly "vaper" build players will be switching back to there bugs soon enough.
You already fail to understand that my post above wasn't meant as an arrogant statement, but is essentially a reply to those people a few pages before this one who claimed that my post on page 2 regarding the aux2damp/aux2bat builds would not work properly ingame. The very same people who run after the JHAS like maniacs because they think it's 'the best ship in the game', even though there are very viable alternatives to it which cost way less than 400 million EC.
But please go on and continue your senseless raging :rolleyes:
I'll let the general condescension slide this time, as it would appear I was indeed in error about using an a2d/a2b combo.
If you could tear yourself away from the generalizations for a moment, though, I am most certainly not among 'the very same people who run after the JHAS like maniacs.' As I already indicated, to me, the JHAS is basically nothing more than a glorified Fleet Patrol Escort with a console moved to Tact, and better turn rate.
Lesson to be learned here? You PvP people (my turn for a generalization) really ought to post more in the builds forum, and be a little less engaged in calling everyone idiots. All we got going now in that section is a bunch of troll threads. Which is a shame. Would have been nice to see your Hirogen build there.
what would be the best spire warp core boost for a hunter a2d/a2b build the w-a version or something else?
Would make the most sense to me. Most people run EPTE and EPTS on there escorts these days so you should have a perma bonus to those 3... and I would think with the right settings you would have the extra 4th system when ever a2b wasn't draining it.
If you could tear yourself away from the generalizations for a moment, though, I am most certainly not among 'the very same people who run after the JHAS like maniacs.' As I already indicated, to me, the JHAS is basically nothing more than a glorified Fleet Patrol Escort with a console moved to Tact, and better turn rate.
My apologies. I mixed you up with someone else there. You are also right about posting builds, we should probably go back to this.
It's really funny how many people don't know how powerful an aux2damp/aux2bat chain is. Somehow everyone still seems to think that you always have two chain two copies of aux2bat.
Your statement got my attention. How is aux2bat and aux2dmp is a good combo? I mean when aux2bat is activated then there is nada in aux power. Isn't aux2dmp dependent upon the aux power to function?
I have no experience with aux2dmp and hence my question
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My apologies. I mixed you up with someone else there. You are also right about posting builds, we should probably go back to this.
Thank you.
Yes, I would appreciate more builds. I am always open to new ideas, but still often find myself stuck on thinking in old patterns of what can, and cannot, be done. The a2b/a2d idea, put forth by you and antoniosalieri, is certainly worth looking into.
Yes, I would appreciate more builds. I am always open to new ideas, but still often find myself stuck on thinking in old patterns of what can, and cannot, be done. The a2b/a2d idea, put forth by you and antoniosalieri, is certainly worth looking into.
The romulan in your sig looks like she is wearing a see-thru top.
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Your statement got my attention. How is aux2bat and aux2dmp is a good combo? I mean when aux2bat is activated then there is nada in aux power. Isn't aux2dmp dependent upon the aux power to function?
Apparently it isn't (any more?). Wiki says it is; and I could have sworn I've seen my resists on A2D be affected by aux levels. But assuming indeed it isn't, then this, indeed, opens the door to using A2D/A2B together, which may lead to interesting times.
Don't bother with the Bug. You're basically playing scratch lotto tickets. Someones going to win. Just not you. :P An aux2bat marion FAW cruiser represents a far better value for your credits. Even without marion you're looking at a better boat for a fraction of the investment.
One of the main reasons I decided to shell out the cash for the bug was I was sick of flying a BFAW 2xaux2bat space whale build. I know It's damage potential could be higher, (I didn't have trouble killing things), just hated flying/turning the thing, especially with those fluidic rift things they're looking at adding in season 9.
Your statement got my attention. How is aux2bat and aux2dmp is a good combo? I mean when aux2bat is activated then there is nada in aux power. Isn't aux2dmp dependent upon the aux power to function?
I have no experience with aux2dmp and hence my question
The trick here is that aux2damp is only dependant on your ship's aux power in the moment of its activation. To make the aux2damp/aux2bat build work you have to activate all your BOff powers you use in combat first, including aux2damp, and then use one aux2bat with three purple technicians on the very end of the cycle to put everything back down to global cooldown. Since the duration of aux2damp is prolonged with the suliban matter-antimatter DOff, you can reap the benefits of both powers at once even though you have only one copy of each slotted.
If you cycle these powers correctly you will always have aux power to activate aux2damps and still benefits from the cooldown reduction of aux2bat (aux will be back online the moment aux2damps is ready again). Furthermore the matter-antimatter DOff gives aux2damp a huge bonus to +all energy resistance, including to its inherent +kinetic damage resistance. This means you can safely drop all RCS/armor consoles and still have hull resists at ~30-40%, essentially allowing a build that consists of only tactical and universal consoles.
Your statement got my attention. How is aux2bat and aux2dmp is a good combo? I mean when aux2bat is activated then there is nada in aux power. Isn't aux2dmp dependent upon the aux power to function?
I have no experience with aux2dmp and hence my question
They are on the same cool down. So it is not possible to pop one then the other right away. When the shared cool down 15s ends your aux power is back. The idea is to back to back them back and forth.
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I have one. It's amazing and worth what people sell it for. Unless you just fly around in it expecting to auto-win like with aforementioned FAWboats, in which case it will seem worthless.
Recently, I decided I wanted a Bug ship. All that advertising must have finally got to me.
In any case, I bought promo packs and turned around and sold them on the exchange, (because I wanted to buy the bug ship not a chance to win one). Bought and sold 60 promo packs, (40x7049999 ec+20x7149999 ec) added to around 5 million stating capital and bought the bug for 428 million ec and change. 60x275=16500zen.
What can I say, I'm crazy. Still, if the odds of getting a bug are worse than 1/60, (anyone have any stats with a decent sample size?), I'd say I came out ahead.
5 of the packs were bonus/dilithium zen so I figure I got mine for 55*275=15125 zen
Assuming the packs still work the same way after the promotion, their value will only increase on the exchange, thus you could probably get more for them - however bug prices will increase as well.
The lockbox odds are .5%, or 1:200. Since JHAS odds are adjusted to be the same relative to price...
.5/125 = x/275
137.5 = 125x
1.1 = x
The odds of getting a JHAS are 1.1%, or roughly 1 in every 90 packs.
It is one of the most versatile and powerful ships in the game - the Hunter Escort - yet most people have no idea just how good it is with and Aux to Bat and Aux to Dam set-up. Even as a GASP = beam boat it powers through everything around it. Throw on the 180 flip console for some extra fun. Eventually people will wise up that this is the best all around escort in the game(the JHAS actually needs much more skill to get the full use out of her), just as the Temporal is the best science ship in the game.
Look at the Temporal price now - $150+? So I picked up 15 Hunter escorts @ around $60 mil. When we switch to the Undine box and more people see how great(but ugly) the ship performs I easily expect the price to go over $100 mil. Probably never hit the temporal or Galor level - just because those boxes are not that great so people wont open them - but it is definitely going to be much more that $70 mill
Ah cool, thanks. I had read somewhere that they had changed it but wasn't sure if it was proportional or not.
Still, even if the odds were 1/50 or lower, I would have still gone the exchange root. Opening boxes is fine if I'm doing it for fun and don't really care about the outcome. If I've got something I really want, a specific goal, I doubt I could ever leave it to chance - especially with the market right there.
1/90 is the BEST case scenario - more likely to be 1/100+
Last sampling on the lock boxes come out in the 1/230ish range
So the "raw" cost of EVERY jhas on the exchange is 100x275 zen or 27,500 zen
Almost $300!!! US dollars for a piece of pixels!! Yikes.
Reminds me of the old Battletech card game WotC did years ago. Some of the rare cards were pretty pathetic. Using them was more of a symbol of luck/big money sunk into buying cards than actual OP-ness.
The bug is 400M cause it's hard to get (and/or 'good press') not because it's 5-6 times better than the Hirogen ship.
It's really funny how many people don't know how powerful an aux2damp/aux2bat chain is. Somehow everyone still seems to think that you always have two chain two copies of aux2bat. I too have begun to hoard Hirogen Hunter ships in my bank account. One day the news will spread and everyone and their mothers will want to fly this ship.
best ships for dogfighting are romulan ships.
So thats why only 3 pvp people still use it ? lol those nOObs :rolleyes:
Imagine if that free market would get a sale tax like in real life...just imagine the rage
Economy is not the strong point of the average sto player....nor logic ,thinking ,common sense lol
It really is a shame how most people, who don't have a Hirogen ship, aren't hip to your genius build. I mean, why doesn't everyone know this? With the glut of overpowered builds out there, why didn't everyone buy a Hirogen ship, give it this build, and start sticking their noses in the air?
You don't actually need the ship to see this. Just take a look at its stats and use your brain for once.
PvP is full of faw a2b cruisers ,faw scimitars and romulan ships.
You already fail to understand that my post above wasn't meant as an arrogant statement, but is essentially a reply to those people a few pages before this one who claimed that my post on page 2 regarding the aux2damp/aux2bat builds would not work properly ingame. The very same people who run after the JHAS like maniacs because they think it's 'the best ship in the game', even though there are very viable alternatives to it which cost way less than 400 million EC.
But please go on and continue your senseless raging :rolleyes:
I'll let the general condescension slide this time, as it would appear I was indeed in error about using an a2d/a2b combo.
If you could tear yourself away from the generalizations for a moment, though, I am most certainly not among 'the very same people who run after the JHAS like maniacs.' As I already indicated, to me, the JHAS is basically nothing more than a glorified Fleet Patrol Escort with a console moved to Tact, and better turn rate.
Lesson to be learned here? You PvP people (my turn for a generalization) really ought to post more in the builds forum, and be a little less engaged in calling everyone idiots. All we got going now in that section is a bunch of troll threads. Which is a shame. Would have been nice to see your Hirogen build there.
Would make the most sense to me. Most people run EPTE and EPTS on there escorts these days so you should have a perma bonus to those 3... and I would think with the right settings you would have the extra 4th system when ever a2b wasn't draining it.
My apologies. I mixed you up with someone else there. You are also right about posting builds, we should probably go back to this.
Your statement got my attention. How is aux2bat and aux2dmp is a good combo? I mean when aux2bat is activated then there is nada in aux power. Isn't aux2dmp dependent upon the aux power to function?
I have no experience with aux2dmp and hence my question
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Thank you.
Yes, I would appreciate more builds. I am always open to new ideas, but still often find myself stuck on thinking in old patterns of what can, and cannot, be done. The a2b/a2d idea, put forth by you and antoniosalieri, is certainly worth looking into.
The romulan in your sig looks like she is wearing a see-thru top.
That is my contribution to this thread.
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Apparently it isn't (any more?). Wiki says it is; and I could have sworn I've seen my resists on A2D be affected by aux levels. But assuming indeed it isn't, then this, indeed, opens the door to using A2D/A2B together, which may lead to interesting times.
One of the main reasons I decided to shell out the cash for the bug was I was sick of flying a BFAW 2xaux2bat space whale build. I know It's damage potential could be higher, (I didn't have trouble killing things), just hated flying/turning the thing, especially with those fluidic rift things they're looking at adding in season 9.
The trick here is that aux2damp is only dependant on your ship's aux power in the moment of its activation. To make the aux2damp/aux2bat build work you have to activate all your BOff powers you use in combat first, including aux2damp, and then use one aux2bat with three purple technicians on the very end of the cycle to put everything back down to global cooldown. Since the duration of aux2damp is prolonged with the suliban matter-antimatter DOff, you can reap the benefits of both powers at once even though you have only one copy of each slotted.
If you cycle these powers correctly you will always have aux power to activate aux2damps and still benefits from the cooldown reduction of aux2bat (aux will be back online the moment aux2damps is ready again). Furthermore the matter-antimatter DOff gives aux2damp a huge bonus to +all energy resistance, including to its inherent +kinetic damage resistance. This means you can safely drop all RCS/armor consoles and still have hull resists at ~30-40%, essentially allowing a build that consists of only tactical and universal consoles.
They are on the same cool down. So it is not possible to pop one then the other right away. When the shared cool down 15s ends your aux power is back. The idea is to back to back them back and forth.