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kerberos#9304 kerberos Member Posts: 13 Arc User
I wanted to create this thread so that I could prove to Cryptic that New Ships(mainly the ones the NPC's use, (Typhoon Battleship,Tuatara Cruiser) and Ship Materials (Ship Skins etc...) are truly wanted.

I sent an e-mail to Cryptic and Cryptic's Business Department two weeks ago and since then I have had no response what so ever.

This is what I sent to Cryptic.

Over the past few weeks I have been playing Star Trek Online daily, carrying-out Questionnaires/Surveys in game, as well as on other forums, such as Reddit and social media sites Facebook and Twitter.

This is what it included:

I created a questionnaire/Survey and I asked 428 people who play STO daily.
And I asked 200 players, that do not play STO anymore.

My question was, "Would you like to see new playable Ships and Materials (Ship Skins) added to the game, for both Federation, Klingon and Romulan".

This was the response of Active Players. (People that currently play STO).

57% of players said that they would pay real money for new Ships and Ship Skins, seeing as how the NPC's of STO have Ships that would make a nice addition to playable ones. I.e. the Typhoon Battleship.

37% of players said that they would like to see new Ships and Ship Skins added, but that they would rather buy them with the use of Dilithium or maybe even Lobi Crystals.

6%, yeah that's right, 6% of players said that they would like new ships added but were not bothered if it did not happen.


200 Players that do not play Star Trek Online (Ceased to stop playing).

61% said that it could give them the insensitive to play STO again.

39% said that they would like to see, especially Ship Skins added that relate to the Star Trek Universe, becasue it adds to the Role-play Value.


Not one person, in my questionnaires and surveys that I carried out (Reddit and In game), said they did not want something added (Ships or Materials).

I said to Cryptic, that from my research that I carried out, that this evidence that I have presented you with could become a really good business opportunity to think about.

At the end of the day, Cryptic is a business, and a business's soul goal is to make profits. So when I told Cryptic about this, and how players were will to pay for this stuff.

So when I told Cryptic about my findings and the potential for money to be made on their part, I was confused as to how I was not contacted, seeing as how I asked specifically for one, to see if this was a good idea and that they were going to discuss this.

In the gaming industry today, game developers and producers need to listen to their gaming community, especially if there is money to be made on their part.

Now im not saying that Cryptic should just create all what I have mentioned for the soul purpose of making a profit, but Cryptic is not a Charity, just Bare that in mind.

If Cryptic doesn't want to take this request seriously then they really need to attend lessons on how to run a business, to outright dismiss an opportunity to make money and anger their fans, by all means do so.

I believe that things like this should be taken seriously and into consideration, especially if a member of the Star Trek Online Community ask's you for a response to a bushiness opportunity that I sent to you by e-mail. :mad:

By just adding one or two new ships is just not enough. Show us that you are actually making a plan for this to happen and show us that plan, otherwise its just a waist of time given trying to ask for some sort of response from you.

This is a list of a ships that people in my survey asked for. (In my survey one of the questions was, "What Type of ship would you like to see added to the game". ""Include a ship Skin also". (Optional).

Odyssey Star Cruiser, Mirror Universe Version (or Mirror Universe Skin).

Galaxy Dreadnought Cruiser, Mirror Univers Version (or Mirror Universe Skin).

Jupiter Class Dreadnought, Mirror Univers Version (or Mirror Universe Skin).

Balaur Dreadnought.

Zilant Battleship.

Tuatara Cruiser.

Vishap Frigate.

Dahut Frigate.

Nicor Cruiser.

Tethys Dreadnought.

Hideki Class.

Keldon Class.

Sarr Theln Warship.


As with the Mirror Universe Version of ships, especially the Odyssey and Galaxy -X, it would be easier to implement them into playable versions, this is as becasue they are already programmed into the game as NPC, same goes for the other ships on the list. The only issue would be to create the ships with better Res.

I will continue with my Questionnaires and Surveys in game and on the web, so that I can show to Cryptic, just how much the Community want this, I am one of them.

Also, Cryptic if you could post a news letter stating that you are planning to release these ships and skins that are listed above, it would be much appreciated.


This survey was carried out with the intention of proving that the people who play Star Trek Online, wanted something more from Cryptic. This survey does not by any means represent the Star Trek Community as a whole.

This has been Admiral Stahl, signing off.
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  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,162 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    No Typhoon Class? :mad:
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    Thank you for the Typhoon!
  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I wanted to create this thread to show to Cryptic and prove that New Ships and Ship Materials (Skins Etc...) are truly wanted.

    I sent an e-mail to Cryptic and Cryptic's Business Department two weeks ago and since then I have had no response what so ever.

    I wonder if that has to do with the content of what you sent them...
    This is what I sent to Cryptic.

    Over the past few weeks I have been playing Star Trek Online daily, carrying-out Questionnaires/Surveys in game, as well as on other forums.

    I can just see where this is headed...
    This is what it included:

    My questionnaire that I asked to 428 active players to STO.
    And 200 players that do not play STO so much anymore.

    What constitutes as active? Did you describe the baseline measurement for what counts as an active player and what counts as someone who does not play STO 'so much' anymore? If you're going to do surveys and statistics, then you should be able to back this up with a baseline metric to present your case more clearly. What specific 'other forums' did you ask? How many members do they have? How are they weighted in your metrics?

    'Active' is a vague weasel-word to describe something to push a particular narrative. Likewise with 'not so much'. A vague description.
    My question was, "Would you like to see new playable Ships and Materials (Ship Skins) added to the game, for both Federation, Klingon and Romulan".[/B][/COLOR]

    This was the response (Active Players).

    57% of players said that they would pay real money for new Ships and Ship Skins, seeing as how the NPC's of STO have better looking Ships.

    NPCs have low-res versions of regular ships, this is documented fact whenever they've gone back to 'revisit' old NPC ships. Better-looking is therefore either extremely misleading, or another vague description.
    37% of players said that they would like to see new Ships and Ship Skins added, but that they would rather buy them with the use of Dilithium or maybe even Lobi Crystals.

    What does this matter? Cryptic is going to continue to add new ships, it's a pillar of income for them. You can argue that you can buy ships with Dilithium by converting it into Zen. Was that in your survey?
    6%, yeah that's right, 6% of players said that they would like new ships added but were not bothered if it did not happen.

    Your pushing of a narrative is becoming extremely obvious in your statements. Cryptic is unlikely to respond to you if you're pushing a narrative instead of at least pretending to be objective and unbiased.


    200 Players that do not play Star Trek Online as often as they used to, or not at all.

    61% said that it could give them the insensitive to play STO again or more.

    Incentive, but that's forgivable. "Play STO again or more"? That is by far one of the most non-descript explanations I've seen. I could make the arguement that if I had a new ship, I would play for at least an additional 15 minutes to set it up with equipment before logging off. That's 15 additional minutes spent in-game, which technically counts as more.

    What baseline metrics did you include in your surveys to signify what counted as 'more'? And how was that weighted against what they currently play? Or was it weighted at all?
    39% said that they would like to see, especially Ship Skins added that relate to the Star Trek Universe, becasue it adds to the Role-play Value.

    As opposed to ship skins that do not relate to the Star Trek universe? This is extremely vague, and does not support anything other than 'people want more stuff' which you don't need a survey to know.
    Not one person, in my questionnaires and surveys that I carried out, said they did not want something added (Ships or Materials).

    I've also heard water is wet and that the sky is blue.
    I said to Cryptic, that from my research that I carried out, that this evidence that I have presented you with could become a really good business opportunity to think about.

    It's evidence of what not to pay attention to. Without specific citations, verifiable third-party observation and authentication, you have no proof of objectivity, you have extremely vague terms to describe whatever narrative you want to push, and you have an extremely poor choice of metrics you're trying to weigh.

    In short, very few people are going to care what you have to say. The people who care about what you have to say are those who were just going to agree with you anyway, you aren't going to open any new eyes.
    At the end of the day, Cryptic is a business, and a business's soul goal is to make profits. So when I told Cryptic about this, and how players were will to pay for this stuff.

    But you mentioned Dilithium and Lobi Crystals. While you can make the argument Lobi Crystals = money, you specifically mentioned Dilithium in your survey which is earned in-game, and while connected to real world cash, requires actual playtime to generate. I did not see anything in your survey about Zen.
    So when I told Cryptic about my findings and the potential for money to be made on their part, I was confused as to how I was not contacted, seeing as how I asked specifically for one, to see if this was a good idea and that they were going to discuss this.

    I'm not surprised you weren't contacted. I'm not surprised they don't want to discuss this with you when it's clear you don't know what you're doing or what you're talking about.
    In the gaming industry today, game developers and producers need to listen to their gaming community, especially if there is money to be made on their part.

    This is also obvious. A survey is not needed to realize this.
    Now im not saying that Cryptic should just create all what I have mentioned for the soul purpose of making a profit, but Cryptic is not a Charity, just Bare that in mind.

    If Cryptic doesn't want to take this request seriously then they really need to attend lessons on how to run a business, to outright dismiss an opportunity to make money and anger their fans, by all means do so.

    Your 'survey' is one particular facet of highly complex and multi-tiered game. Money is generated through numerous things the game does. You are pushing a narrative for one particular facet -- you aren't seeing the big picture. New ships and ship skins are one of many pillars of income they have.

    And as already stated, they will not stop coming out with new ships. Your narrative is essentially preaching to the choir. You aren't telling Cryptic anything new that they don't know already. Ships = $$$.
    But jut remember that your fans wont stay your fans for very long if you don't take things like this into seriously and into consideration, especially if a member of the Star Trek Online Community ask's you for a response to a bushiness opportunity that I sent to you by e-mail. :mad:

    Cryptic is continually coming out with new ships and ship skins. The Material 5 was recently re-released, and they are constantly adding new ships. To pretend otherwise is just plain dishonest.

    Blaming Cryptic for not contacting you after you made a very poor attempt at showing what 'The Star Trek Community' wants is almost laughable. The Star Trek Online community has never been united in one voice over anything. People play STO for various reasons, people play STO for various facets of the game -- not just one.

    To say your surveys represent the 'unified' Star Trek Online Community, or even trying to imply it in your forum post is just proof you do not know what you are doing.
    Here is a list of a few ships from a list of what I asked the Members of STO.

    Odyssey Star Cruiser, Mirror Universe Version (or Mirror Universe Skin).

    Galaxy Dreadnought Cruiser, Mirror Univers Version (or Mirror Universe Skin).

    Jupiter Class Dreadnought, Mirror Univers Version (or Mirror Universe Skin).

    Balaur Dreadnought.

    Zilant Battleship.

    Tuatara Cruiser.

    Vishap Frigate.

    Iconian Dreadnought.

    Dahut Frigate.

    Nicor Cruiser.

    Tethys Dreadnought.

    Jem'Hadar Battleship.

    Hideki Class.

    Keldon Class.

    Sarr Theln Warship.

    The Jem'Hadar Battleship is already in-game, unless the Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier does not count, but from what I remember it's the same ship. Most of the other ships you mention are not faction ships, or Mirror Universe skins -- which are continually coming out. The Heavy Cruiser and Negh'Var were the latest.

    And there are Undine ships coming in the lockbox and Lobi store. So you are basically saying the people in your 'surveys' want what Cryptic is already doing. And you are trying to convince Cryptic to do... what?
    As with the Mirror Universe Version of ships, especially the Odyssey and Galaxy -X, it would be quite easy to implement them into playable versions, seeing as how they are already programmed into the game as NPC, same goes for the other ships on the list.

    You have no insight to how ship artists work at Cryptic, how long it takes, or how priorities are measured. To say something is 'easy' is an indication that you once again have no idea what you're talking about.

    They're continually coming out with Mirror Universe skins. If they aren't doing it fast enough... too bad?
    I will continue with my Questionnaires and Surveys in game and on the web, so that I can show to Cryptic, just how much the Community want this, I am one of them.

    And I will continue to point out the things you're doing wrong while applauding the things you are doing right, just as I do with Cryptic.

    And right now, you are doing this wrong.
    I am not letting this go, and I will continue to present my case until this request, which was made by the Star Trek Online Community is made, and placed in game. :)

    You don't speak for the "Community", stop pretending you do. Thanks.
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  • kerberos#9304 kerberos Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Thank you "iconians" for your response, regrettably I have to say that you clearly have not read my post properly, becasue one of your laughable attempts to quote me, failed. Such as when you tried to say that I said my "Survey" was.

    "To say your surveys represent the 'unified' Star Trek Online Community, or even trying to imply it in your forum post is just proof you do not know what you are doing"

    Quite frankly I do know what I am doing. I spent weeks putting this survey together, so how the hell do you know what I am capable of?

    Another one of your funny quotes.

    "You don't speak for the "Community", stop pretending you do. Thanks".

    Also, I never once hinted or stated that I spoke for the entire "Community". Clearly if you had any common sense, (sorry if you do not know what common sense entails. You can Google it). You would know that the people I carried out this survey on, were only a minutiae minority of people who play Star Trek Online.

    So don't re-post on my thread, I don't want you trying to argue with me becasue this thread is STO related. If you want to argue, you can argue with one of your Facebook friends.

    Also, I don't need your insults of you stating that I have no idea of what I am doing. you're not funny and you are certainly not clever, so stop "Pretending" to be, and you are the one who has no idea what this thread is about, It maybe becasue you have not read it???.

    Good bye.
  • organicmanfredorganicmanfred Member Posts: 3,236 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Yes Iconians, don't behave like you would know everything and what other players want just because you play this game for a couple of years.

    You are just angry that you weren't that smart to write Cryptic your own Survey results and tell them what some people want after a few weeks of casual playing.
  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Thank you "iconians" for your response, regrettably I have to say that you clearly have not read my post properly, becasue one of your laughable attempts to quote me, failed. Such as when you tried to say that I said my "Survey" was.

    "To say your surveys represent the 'unified' Star Trek Online Community, or even trying to imply it in your forum post is just proof you do not know what you are doing"

    Quite frankly I do know what I am doing. I spent weeks putting this survey together, so how the hell do you know what I am capable of?

    Another one of your funny quotes.

    "You don't speak for the "Community", stop pretending you do. Thanks".

    Also, I never once hinted or stated that I spoke for the entire "Community". Clearly if you had any common sense, (sorry if you do not know what common sense entails. You can Google it). You would know that the people I carried out this survey on, were only a minutiae minority of people who play Star Trek Online.

    So don't re-post on my thread, I don't want you trying to argue with me becasue this thread is STO related. If you want to argue, you can argue with one of your Facebook friends.

    Also, I don't need your insults of you stating that I have no idea of what I am doing. you're not funny and you are certainly not clever, so stop "Pretending" to be, and you are the one who has no idea what this thread is about, It maybe becasue you have not read it???.

    Good bye.

    I like how instead of proving your statistics and backing them up with fact, you decide to focus on the part where I point out that you aren't proving your statistics and backing them up with fact.

    How about some facts instead of conjecture? I asked plenty of legitimate questions regarding your survey. Nate Silver would have a field day with you.

    Where's your sources? Where's your third-party independant verification? Where were your sampling pools?
    Yes Iconians, don't behave like you would know everything and what other players want just because you play this game for a couple of years.

    You are just angry that you weren't that smart to write Cryptic your own Survey results and tell them what some people want after a few weeks of casual playing.

    According to my survey results, 60% of the time it works every time.
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  • organicmanfredorganicmanfred Member Posts: 3,236 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    iconians wrote: »
    According to my survey results, 60% of the time it works every time.

    :D:P haha :D
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,007 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I do think you are on to something, OP. I think the reason why you didn't recieve a response yet is that your email showed them what they were doing wrong and right now the whole company has to be restructured. I'm sure once the mantra "people want new stuff and some will even pay for it" is part of their business strategy, you'll recieve the overdue response.
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  • voporakvoporak Member Posts: 5,621 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I ask nothing but that you remember me.
  • organicmanfredorganicmanfred Member Posts: 3,236 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    voporak wrote: »

    That is your answer to everything :D
  • voporakvoporak Member Posts: 5,621 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    That is your answer to everything :D

    Because it's so appropriate! :)

    EDIT: Oh, fun fact, I could say I took a survey of 500 players and say that 72% of them want Nyan Cat as a playable species, and it would literally have as much credibility as you put in the OP, admiralolbricht.
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  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Your sample sizes are way too small to get an accurate assessment of the population's standing.
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