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stongbads
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Anyone else would like to see a Mirror Universe First Contact event? I would like to see Cochrane defend his lab from marauding Vulcans while the crew of the Enterprise-D are egging him on from the shadows. After picking up a t-shirt from the gift shop, I would like to tote around the replica shotgun that Cochrane used on that Vulcan.
"First Contact between Vulcans and the Terran Empire took place in 2063, as it did in the prime universe. The long history of nations warring with each other, the stronger overcoming the weaker, led the people of Earth to believe that conquest was the only means of surviving in the universe. Peace was only a ruse used to determine an enemy's weaknesses and to enable the one offering peace a chance to conquer from within. So, when the Vulcans landed and made their peaceful introduction, Zefram Cochrane shot the first Vulcan to step onto Terran soil instead of welcoming them with open arms (as in the prime universe), and the Terrans, interpreting the landing as prelude to an invasion, raided the Vulcan ship. The shotgun used by Zefram Cochrane later came into the possession of Jonathan Archer, who wondered what would have happened had Cochrane not "turned the tables" on the Vulcans' "invasion force." With advanced Vulcan technology at their disposal, the Terran Empire expanded and conquered other races, including the Vulcans, Andorians, Tellarites, Orions and Denobulans. " --Memory-Alpha.org
"First Contact between Vulcans and the Terran Empire took place in 2063, as it did in the prime universe. The long history of nations warring with each other, the stronger overcoming the weaker, led the people of Earth to believe that conquest was the only means of surviving in the universe. Peace was only a ruse used to determine an enemy's weaknesses and to enable the one offering peace a chance to conquer from within. So, when the Vulcans landed and made their peaceful introduction, Zefram Cochrane shot the first Vulcan to step onto Terran soil instead of welcoming them with open arms (as in the prime universe), and the Terrans, interpreting the landing as prelude to an invasion, raided the Vulcan ship. The shotgun used by Zefram Cochrane later came into the possession of Jonathan Archer, who wondered what would have happened had Cochrane not "turned the tables" on the Vulcans' "invasion force." With advanced Vulcan technology at their disposal, the Terran Empire expanded and conquered other races, including the Vulcans, Andorians, Tellarites, Orions and Denobulans. " --Memory-Alpha.org
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I never got how the Terrans were able to conquer the Vulcans by disassembling a single scout ship. I never got how the Terran Empire could even embrace space travel - the whole system is highly unstable, they'd most likely just wipe themselves out in never ending civil wars.
The Mirror Universe was a neat play in TOS. Afterwards it was just overdone and misinterpreted so many times it became just "meh". You probably won't see something like that in STO as well - even though our characters commit mass genocide casaully, the MU is supposed to be "evil" and you will not ever play a "evil" character in this game - that's why the Romulans had to become democrats in order to be in the game.
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In a Mirror, Darkly showed that Vulcan rebellion leader (can't remember his name) showing emotions. So something changed in the Vulcans as well. Next to that there were also meaner characters after the Terran Empire fell (think of Kira, she probably had a good live, she has no reason to hate the Terrans, yet she does. Same for Odo; his sence of justice completely vanished.) So you are not entirely accurate in this field.
I can understand how the Terrans would unite. They were probably fighting over recourses and space to live in. With space open, filled by opportunities but also with dangers, the Terrans probably unified. Even though they are barbaric, they are not complete moroons.
As for their conquest of all other races, I imagined it like this (note that I never read any novel, so where I am contradicting or repeating these this is purely coincidential):
The Vulcans lost their scout ship. However, this ship went out of itself towards a place it did not have to go to. Vulcan High Command therefore does not find it back, and does not know Earth is modernizing. They are focussing their recourses on their cold war with Andoria, and possible with Tellar Prime and Qo'Nos as well. The Terrans quickly build up their own armada, using reverse-engineered Vulcan technology, completely in secret. At one point, they expand very rapidly into Vulcan and Andorian space, seeing that these races are weakened by their continuous struggle against each other. From here, the Terrans continue towards In a Mirror, darkly.
Personally, I liked how the Mirror Universe developed in DS9 and ENT. However, you can feel any way you want to about this subject.
This is entirely accurate.
But the Romulans are not democrats. If we take a look, we see D'tan is leading the Republic, supported by the Flotilla and the Reman Rebellion. He has no democratic base of power. The intention might very well be to become a true Republic, but in its current form, it really is nothing more than a military dictature with a lot of power for local Maiori.
As for the OP. Nah, don't feel like seeing this mission. Does not belong in STO imho. I would love a shotgun though: just imagine Armek's face when you place it in its mouth, quoting Aliens: "EAT THIS". Or as Worf would say: "Assimilate THIS."
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I'm not a big fan of the ds9 MU episodes as MU episodes... But most MU episodes were fun and well written.
The problem is that people now feel the need to make the mirror universe a major factor.
It was a nice distraction and change of pace in the series now and then , not more and not less.
It should not be more in the game either.
Odo never stood for justice, he stood for Order. Mirror Odo still kept order.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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This.
With a "sense if justice" prime verse Odo would not have been able to work for the cardassian occupants.
I'll admit that I'm not well versed in ENT lore as I only saw the show once when it aired and never again. So that might be accurate, although I think that the experience from a failed first contact might have left an impression on the Vulcan people, allowing for a rebellion to get more xenophobic supporters - but that's just speculation, like I said I can't recall the episode in question much. Maybe I'm mistaken
The Terrans are pretty much our present day humans who didn't have the "second elightenment" after the third world war, with the difference that harsh strifing for personal gain doesn't need to be masked but is openly accepted. As such, I personally don't think such a people would unite - more likely, those with access to Vulcan technology would attempt to conquer those who don't. And even with reverse engineered technology I personally think it's a long shot to have one nation to be able to dominate earth AND neighboring star systems in such a short amount of time.
Further, the Vulcans lost their ship, but even when struggling with other powers (I really don't like ENTs story, I admit
a matter of taste, of course. I don't mind the DS9 mirror parts, although I do consider them completely unnecessary and I really don't like ENT as a whole
Interesting - I never bothered much with the Romulan story, however the open Republic theme is, at least I think so, aimed at delivering a sense of "good" for the player as opposed to a almost paranoid secret police state.
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Odo in the Prime Universe definitely has a sence of justice. Quark making illegal deals that are silent as what does not disturb order. It disturbes Odo's sence of justice. Him working for the Cardassians might have made Odo do stuff he would regret later on (as seen in DS9), but he did it to protect the Bajorans. He rather dealt with the Bajorans according to his justice than to let a Cardassian handle them.
In the Mirror Universe, Odo simply wanted to keep the workers busy. Here he cares for order. I doubt that Odo would have stopped illegal transactions from Quark.
However, there really isn't much to discuss about Mirror Odo; he was vaporized before his character could be developed.
I still doubt that the Vulcan people would react this emotional. They had a lot of issues with Andoria in the prime universe, yet they approached them as emotionless as always. In the Prime Universe, only that Vulcan leader that turned out to work for the Romulans showed emotions.
Kira is not the same person. Sure, her life changing will definitely have made her a solo player. This is true. She was taught to make Terrans work for her, so she does. However, she was never taught to torture and execute them. Not in the manner that she did. This racism goes beyond what Prime Kira could feel. She forgave the Cardassians after she had every reason to hate them forever. Mirror Kira would continue to haunt the Terrans, despite having enough slave images to only guarantee second-rank thinking. Not hatred.
I'm far from a Terran expert (assuming they exist :P). But who is to say that unification went without bloodshed? We don't know how WW3 ended over there. For all we know the ECON managed to conquer everything, after which Cochrane rose through power using a massive rebellion and advanced technology.
As for fastly conquering huge amounts of land, look at WW2. Germany managed to quickly conquer most of Europe. Who is to say that Cochrane could not conquer a war-tired Earth in, say, 20 years? And from then, they would have about 60 years left to conquer some other species that were throwing all of their recourses against each other.
A better example might be early Islam. From one city, they quickly conquered all of Arabia, and managed to conquer all of Persia and most of Byzantium as well since those two superpowers had just fought each other to death. Sounds like the Terrans to me.
The Vulcans indeed lost a ship. A ship that was not supposed to be in Sol system. By the time the Vulcans would think of making planetary scans of Earth, the Terrans would probably have concealed all of their ship. COnsider it a Bermuda Triangle story.
And you will be surprised how fast a fascist state could recover from massive destruction (I'm assuming that the state that led to the Terran Empire was fascist, because of what we have seen of the actual Terran Empire). Don't underestimate the resolve of maniacal people hungry for power.
I left the rest out because there was not much to discuss there really.
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dicks, maybe, but they just embraced a different facet of human emotion. Humans honestly could have turned out like the Ferengi, like the Klingons, like the Vulcans, etc. in reality, humans can fit into almost every other species in Star Trek. I think the Federation is the least likely scenario for humanity as a whole, and the way the present is, I can see the "Khan" scenario being more likely.
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