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Using the logic of nerfing rep passives, the Borg 2pc, this console needs a lockout.
No one console should completely replace the need to slot healing. This gives way too little opportunity cost for what is essentially the only form of life stealing in the game that allows you to scale your defense based on offense.
It's broken. It's already offensive that romulans get it and no one else, on top of their already OP perks.
To the ground baby.
No one console should completely replace the need to slot healing. This gives way too little opportunity cost for what is essentially the only form of life stealing in the game that allows you to scale your defense based on offense.
It's broken. It's already offensive that romulans get it and no one else, on top of their already OP perks.
To the ground baby.
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Would there be some sort of passive skill boosts you might give it? Perhaps increase the amount of each heal while reducing the overall number of heals and thus overall amount of healing? What kind of give would you do for the take?
None at all.
Nerf it, it should never have been released in that state.
[Insert variant of suck it up for sake of game argument here]
None.
This is a t2 ship with what is considered a endgame console item.
Can you name me any other t2 ship that has a console retain its useful well ito endgame and that scales (gets better) with Dps?
Your compensation is that all your newbs can use it. I don't know of any other newb ship with a console that retains a console spot after all rep gear and elite fleet are attainable.
Compensation? How bout a nice cup of no.
If they actually fixed it so only you, and you alone meaning only your energy weapons and maybe torpedoes can cause it to proc would help a lot.
Heck even the same effects causing this console to trigger, seems to be doing the same for the solanae hull leech.
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
Is it too powerful? No doubt. Does that mean that there could not be some form of compensatory buff to the console to offset a nerf to it? Not in the least.
So uh, the responses to my response seem a little...well, petty - vindictive - immature - list goes on and on, eh?
By the way, it's a T3 console - not a T2 console. /facepalm
What other T3 consoles are out there then, eh?
Point Defense System
Tachyon Detection Field
Quad Disruptors
Bio-Neural Warhead
Magnetometric Generator
Plasmonic Leech
Barrier Field Generator
How about some actual T2 consoles, eh?
Ionized Gas Sensor
Impulse Capacitance Cell
Photonic Displacer
Shield Destabilizer
Singularity Inverter
Yep, not really too many folks running any T2 consoles like you said...but again, shame you thought the Valdore was a T2 console instead of T3...cause oh, look at some of those T3 consoles. :rolleyes:
It should only trigger on Directed Energy Weapon attacks...if it's triggering on anything else, it's broken and needs to be fixed.
Currently, it's balanced as is.
Vandal destroyer T3 ship for the Plasmotic leech perhaps?, drains a target ship's power levels and adds it to your own.
maybe these also depending on your playstyle:
T2 escort refit for Impulse capacitance burst , greatly increasing the ship's speed and defense in combat for a short period of time
T2 Qaw'Dun bop for Shield destabilizer boosted by Flow caps,which causes all nearby enemy vessels to slowly lose shield health. In addition, affected targets suffer a slight loss of shield power that does not increase over time.
T2 Dhael warbird for Singularity inverter, which absorb some incoming direct energy attacks, adding it to the player's singularity, and decreasing damage taken while active.
:eek::eek: never knew that, confirmation that is whats happening possible?
Console - Universal - Shield Absorptive Frequency Generator
Rare Universal Console
Bind On Pickup
Unique - Max of one per character
Warbird
Values do not reflect skills or other modifiers
Gives all of your Energy Weapon attacks a 2.5% chance to heal your shields for 200% of the damage they deal. This ability is always on.
Agreed
think this is the crux of the argument
Fixing a typo in the formula was not a nerf...lol.
Something along the lines of giving it a Solanae treatment - with a min and a max - would be a nerf. Thus, why I wondered what folks might add to it to as some form of offsetting compensation for that nerf.
Note, the max would be have to be higher than the Solanae - because the Valdore's working with a proc cycle. Perhaps increase the proc chance though then? Etc, etc, etc - that give and take, knowing that in the end there's going to be more take than give...and just trying to ease that take.
Hrmm, we've got S9's new Accord doohickey coming up...maybe those sneaky Ferengi will offer up some Romulan shinies? Maybe S9.5?
But yeah, perhaps if it was making up for some weakness they had - but on top of everything else...meh. There's nothing like it that only Feds have or only KDF have, since FRoms and KRoms get access to T1-T4 consoles.
i completely agree.. stuff like that should be capped
Heh, then again - somebody with that and the Valdore. :P
It's a t2 ship console that gives lifesteal passively. It shouldn't be more desired than end game consoles.
It should be capped with a timer like Borg 2pc or the solanae set. The opportunity cost is a console, but it frees up practically 2 BO slots from engineering or science- which for a tactical ship is HUGE.
Argue all you want. It's an outlier and I really hope with the direction teu are taking to address power creep they actually address the white elephant in the room: romulans and the Valdore console.
Exactly. Its still a decent console, but no longer must have. I often ditch it for another plasma infused console or crit console on my rom, sometimes its not even in my inventory because I left it in the shipyard on another ship.
T1 - T'liss -> T'varo
T2 - Dhelan -> Dhael
T3 - Mogai -> Valdore
T4 - D'deridex -> D'ridthau
My apologies its a t3 console.
So really, since its a t3 and others like plasmonic leech are used widely, its fine, right?
Which of those others listed is restricted to only romulans?
So really, it should be available to all factions if left as is.
Thanks for helping prove my point.
Outside of the folks saying it's fine, where there are a couple of them...you've got folks agreeing on the aspect of it being Rom only being an issue - as well as folks that believe it's not fine and needs adjustments, but not necessarily a straightforward nerfing without something. And even folks that have suggested a means to nerf it at one extreme that could buff it at the other, resulting in the overall nerf but possible increased use as an actually balanced console.
#1 - Definitely a bug if it procs on proc based damage and worse with pets. Big bug. Throw out gravity wells, tyken's rifts, and all other pulse based damage to get more procs, very wrong.
#2 - The programmers have a heck of a mess with what they classify damage. I wouldn't be surprised if they classified tachyon beam as damage and hence why it seems to act as it instead of a drain, which is wrong.
They have already said in the past it acts as a heal with a negative value I thought
Well, the point of a Nerf is to make something less powerful than it should be. So, no, I can't imagine there should be any compensation. In all honesty, players only buy stuff when they know is OP'd and will give them a huge advantage. Now, personally, I don't think romulans are all that much stronger than the federation or Klingons. And I don't know that they're boffs or doffs are any better than the other 2. But f there's an item giving such an edge to one particular faction, then I would say that it does need a Nerf. And the only reason I would Nerf items in this game is because of the massive overload of dps.
50% reduction in the heal value.
Insert an/lengthen the internal cooldown, probably to 15-20 seconds.
Add either a passive shield regen aspect (akin to the shield emitter amplifier) or a shield heal buff (akin to emitter arrays)
That would drastically reduce the console's effectiveness while still making it useful, the 15 second internal cooldown would stop it proccing twice in any alpha strike making it much less powerful in pvp.
Great MORE PVP tears,sobs, and whining F**ken tired of you people. 2-5% of the player base always trying to dictate how the rest of us play the game.
Actually I hear people complaining about it being used to get 1st place in CCE more than complaining about it pvp. In pvp you usually just kill someone in a few seconds or not at all, so the valdore console isn't much help there. Just saying...
...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
- Anne Bredon
This comment bugs me a bit. It reminds me of all the posts feds used to submit about how klinks had cloaking and they didnt.
The console is fine as it is right now. Sure, it sounds like a great passive, shield heal and all, but it's still only 2.5% chance of activating. A lot can happen between it procing. But I have to ask, are you crying OP from a PvE viewpoint (if so, what's the big deal? Every faction has their own special little bits, and if it helps the team accomplish things faster, more power to them) or are you going from a PvP viewpoint?
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It actually usually activates on full shields, so the heal is nearly always wasted. While still worth a slot, unlike every other cstore console except plasmonic leech, it's nowhere close to the usefulness of plasmonic leech. Thus, this whine is weak - until plasmonic leech is nerfed, there is NO argument for nerfing valedore console. The whiners are wasting their breath, and can only draw dev attention onto plasmonic leech. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
Well said.
Also, I have been keenly observing all the whiners, lying in wait, ready to pounce at the first opportunity they get to take away from others. And now, with a major rep nerf incoming, they smell blood. Typical. You give them a finger, and they try to take the whole hand. Whereas it's really THE finger they should be getting.