Any opinions regarding the Elachi S'golth Escort?

starsword1989

I'm quite interested in this little ship because of it's ability to utilize A2B and Ltc. Level science abilities.

I've compared it to a fellow lockbox ship, the Mobius escort. So far what I see is minor trade off as the S'golth trades 4500 base hull for 15% more shields and an extra turn rate.

In return, it has the ability to utilize dual A2B (or other builds if I use the 2 lieutenant slots for other purposes). With the changes to team abilities I can potentially utilize 3 team skills in my build (potentially reducing the hindrance of an extra ens eng if I use a2b build)

However looking at the Exchange, it seems like this ship is the least demanded lockbox ship in the game for a long time (ever since it's induction). Even when Mobius is undergoing a lobi sale it's prices did not drop anywhere as low as the S'golth's.

is there any caveat to the S'golth that I've yet to discover?

Thanks in advance.

fatman592

I had one, and I really didn't like it. It's squishy, the console is generally worthless and it takes too much lobi to make really good. The Monbosh is a far better purchase if you plan on getting the Elachi Space Set. I didn't care for the ship so much that I deleted and rerolled the toon which had the S'Golth in favor of a FHEC.

I like my Mobius, but I really only use it for PvP. I've seen some impressive S'Golths flying around Ker'rat, but that's the exception. I really think the Hirogen Hunter is the best buy on the market right now. A2B seating, decent hull and turn rate. Too bad it's ugly.

starsword1989

fatman592 wrote: »

I had one, and I really didn't like it. It's squishy, the console is generally worthless and it takes too much lobi to make really good. The Monbosh is a far better purchase if you plan on getting the Elachi Space Set. I didn't care for the ship so much that I deleted and rerolled the toon which had the S'Golth in favor of a FHEC.

I like my Mobius, but I really only use it for PvP. I've seen some impressive S'Golths flying around Ker'rat, but that's the exception. I really think the Hirogen Hunter is the best buy on the market right now. A2B seating, decent hull and turn rate. Too bad it's ugly.

What do you think sets the S'golth apart from the Mobius? Cause hull and shield wise since it's similar to science ships, I can replicate the template I have from my Vesta (2 piece borg, Fleet resilient shield,complemented with some fleet armor), but other than that it seems really similar to the Mobius.

I feel that the plus point as provided by the S'golth is that with a2b, I can have gravity well on universal cd (which Mobius can't). All I need is an aux battery before activation. The Science-lean is something battlecruisers and the Hunter escort cannot provide. Indeed science abilities are limited in pvp but gravity well and csv combo is pretty effective in pve (especially nws). In this aspect the high uptime of gravity well seems like an enticing prospect.

I do not own either ships and am speculating based on what's on paper, do correct me if I'm wrong:)

smokeybacon90

Whoever said it was squishy is clearly off his rocker. Huge shield mod and can have an engi heavy layout allowing for a real tanky setup like dual Aux2Damp or SIF. Console is not PvP suitable but still hilarious fun, highest hit so far is 290k, I am sure other people have had more. Most of all is is rather cheap on the exchange.

torvinecho25

S'Golth is hands down one of the toughest most versatile escorts in the game..

Its comparable to the Mobius, and both ships have advantages, but personally I've found the S'Golth to be a better option due to its much higher shield modifier.

unangbangkay

torvinecho25 wrote: »

S'Golth is hands down one of the toughest most versatile escorts in the game..

Its comparable to the Mobius, and both ships have advantages, but personally I've found the S'Golth to be a better option due to its much higher shield modifier.

How does it compare to the Hirogen Hunter?

trekkietravis

starsword1989 wrote: »

I'm quite interested in this little ship because of it's ability to utilize A2B and Ltc. Level science abilities.

I've compared it to a fellow lockbox ship, the Mobius escort. So far what I see is minor trade off as the S'golth trades 4500 base hull for 15% more shields and an extra turn rate.

In return, it has the ability to utilize dual A2B (or other builds if I use the 2 lieutenant slots for other purposes). With the changes to team abilities I can potentially utilize 3 team skills in my build (potentially reducing the hindrance of an extra ens eng if I use a2b build)

However looking at the Exchange, it seems like this ship is the least demanded lockbox ship in the game for a long time (ever since it's induction). Even when Mobius is undergoing a lobi sale it's prices did not drop anywhere as low as the S'golth's.

is there any caveat to the S'golth that I've yet to discover?

Thanks in advance.

The ship is actually really good. I have it on one of my characters. I would guess it is likely cheapest because it was only in one episode of Enterprise (none of the other series), so i don't think the ship has as large of a trek fanbase. In terms of it's stats and layout yhough, the ship is great!

starsword1989

Thanks for the replies! It seems that the sgolth is indeed a potent ship and there isn't really a caveat despite what the exchange prices may suggest.
It's probably not as desirable because of the unappealing nature of Elachis. Having said that I actually like the triangular look of the ship (ala B-2 Stealth bomber). Shall grab one to try it out:)

shar487a

I made a shield-penetration S'Golth build a while ago... most alpha strike players hated it since they were met with Feed Back Pulses and Haywire charges. Then there were the recently revised Elachi disruptors with their proc cooldowns finally removed for unhindered shield ignoring madness

noblet

unangbangkay wrote: »

How does it compare to the Hirogen Hunter?

Having both, I found it to be much tankier than Hunter. The difference from the massive shield cap shows. Hunter's extra hull buffer just doesn't matter for an escort outside of a counter against the specific pvp exclusive shield penetrating build. In all pve and most pvp content, you don't even notice the extra hull points are there, and when you do, it's because its shield is so flimsy.

There is also the ability to fit grav well, which is a real game changer for dhc boat. That grav well means your dps will be much higher than escorts without it.

boneshroud

S'Golth has a huge shield mod for an escort at 1.3 - it can also equip the subspace receiver heal pets and 6 charges of haywire that can reflect a part of damage back to attackers. Probably the tankiest escort in the game if played correctly.

Not to mention the best looking IMO.

rylanadionysis

It is a slice of moldy pizza.

That is what I feel about it.

starsword1989

There is also the ability to fit grav well, which is a real game changer for dhc boat. That grav well means your dps will be much higher than escorts without it.

This is in fact my main consideration for S'golth because of its pve and nws viability. Something onlyMobius, MVAE, Dhelan and Adapted destroyer is capable of. Having said that, without the capability to utilize A2B, they could only run a single copy of any ltc sci skills. An a2b build enables me to use grav well or other ltc sci abilities at global, akin to dual copies of the skills. All I need is some power management to compensate for aux.

The S'golth is pretty unique in it's own way, and the cheap procurement price is an added bonus.

rck01

As a Hunter pilot, I look at the S'golth and immediately notice the Boff layout. Yes, the Lt.Cmdr Sci station is nice, but the two Lt. universal slots aren't as attractive from an Aux2Batt standpoint as they require me to dedicate at least 3 stations to engineering (fixed Ens. slot is also engineering). So while I can run Aux2Batt (or A2B/A2D), I can't slot my preferred combo of HE, ST and PH (the Lt.Cmdr. Sci spot would be wasted on those - GW belongs in that spot).

And forget about DEM or RSP - there's simply no space for them once you start running A2B or A2D. I much prefer the Hunter's Lt.Cmdr. Eng slot which, combined with the Lt.Univ. in Eng. mode, let's me run A2B/A2D plus DEM or RSP (depending on whether I'm hunting or being hunted).

Bottom Line: It looks flexible on the surface, but when you get down to it I can do more "escort" stuff with the Hunter.

And don't get me started on the console configuration. This is by far one of the most "sciency" escorts I've evaluated.

RCK

smokeybacon90

rck01 wrote: »

As a Hunter pilot, I look at the S'golth and immediately notice the Boff layout. Yes, the Lt.Cmdr Sci station is nice, but the two Lt. universal slots aren't as attractive from an Aux2Batt standpoint as they require me to dedicate at least 3 stations to engineering (fixed Ens. slot is also engineering). So while I can run Aux2Batt (or A2B/A2D), I can't slot my preferred combo of HE, ST and PH (the Lt.Cmdr. Sci spot would be wasted on those - GW belongs in that spot).

With the change to teams, don't underestimate the usefulness of ET1 in that slot, along with TT1 and ST1, and a Voth Diplomat on Aux2Bat. Lots of passive weapons power drain.