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Why does UFP starship not use phase cloaking device?

belkin222belkin222 Member Posts: 34 Arc User
edited April 2014 in Federation Discussion
Fact Section 31 was trying to cause a with Romulus star Empire and UFP.

First off thing cause the exponvise issue cool system keep eye on that while using it. Something easly been done by a computer. It aslo near by Romulus terrioires how convent for Romulus. Why do so close Romulan space. After they once try hide you doing this to. Since that forbid having cloaking techology in the first.

So of course Section 31 build working one. SO why none UFP starship have phase cloaking device.
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Fact - Section 31 is an illegal organization.

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  • vampeiyrevampeiyre Member Posts: 633 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    belkin222 wrote: »
    Fact Section 31 was trying to cause a with Romulus star Empire and UFP.

    First off thing cause the exponvise issue cool system keep eye on that while using it. Something easly been done by a computer. It aslo near by Romulus terrioires how convent for Romulus. Why do so close Romulan space. After they once try hide you doing this to. Since that forbid having cloaking techology in the first.

    So of course Section 31 build working one. SO why none UFP starship have phase cloaking device.

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  • johnstewardjohnsteward Member Posts: 1,073 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    One could argue that with the destruction of romulus the treaty of algeron is now null and void. But i assume nothing will change ingame regarding cloak stuff
  • unangbangkayunangbangkay Member Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    johnsteward wrote: »
    One could argue that with the destruction of romulus the treaty of algeron is now null and void. But i assume nothing will change ingame regarding cloak stuff

    Says you. The lore in the game itself says the treaty is still in effect, with the Federation president stating that they would respect it (with the exceptions of the Defiant classes and the Gal-X), which for all we know still use loaned Romulan cloaking tech.
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    unangbangkay wrote: »
    Says you. The lore in the game itself says the treaty is still in effect, with the Federation president stating that they would respect it (with the exceptions of the Defiant classes and the Gal-X), which for all we know still use loaned Romulan cloaking tech.

    And those only have cloaks because they were shown on-screen using a cloaking device which was unique to their prototype. That means only two individual ships in Starfleet had a cloaking device (minus the phasic cloak nosnense thingy) but everybody would whine and rage if they couldn't cloak their snowflake ship.

    Starfleet doesn't use cloaks. Get over it.
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  • timezargtimezarg Member Posts: 1,268
    edited March 2014
    Inb4 every tired argument both sides pull out every time someone raises the question of Federation cloaking devices of any kind.

    The Federation faction will not get widespread access to cloaks on their own starships. Period. End of thread. Nothing that is said in this thread will change that. CBS would probably block the move, and I don't think even Cryptic would be interested in putting it in.

    You wanna fly cloaking ships other than the very limited Federation options? Play the factions that are supposed to have them. Heck, you can even have your very own pet Federation-aligned Romulan, complete with overpowered Romulan ships.
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  • mewmaster101mewmaster101 Member Posts: 1,239 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    They have already stated multiple times, that becuase the Star empire is still around, they will not use any cloaking deviced except in VERY special cases, in this case the defiant and avenger. It is also stated, that even if the Star Empire were to die, the treaty would still be in effect due to the Romulan Republic existing.

    In reality, the Gal-X is from an alternate universe where that treaty was never made, and thus the ONLY reason it has a cloaking device is because that ship comes from an alternate reality.
  • medicnycmedicnyc Member Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    If you all remember, the original Defiant was destroyed at the Second Battle of Chin'toka which had the cloaking device. As far I can recall the replacement for the Defiant which was the USS San Paulo was never fitted with another cloaking device.

    DS9 - Season 7 Episode 20 - Changing the Face of Evil

    So technically the Federation has no other ships with cloaking capability since the Galaxy-X is from an alternate timeline.

    TNG - Season 7 Series Finale - All Good Things...

    The only cloaking device that exists in Star Trek canon is the prototype which was salvaged from the USS Pegasus which is the Phasing Cloak and who knows what happened to that.

    TNG - Season 7 - Episode 12 - Pegasus

    I'd love to have a battle cloak or a phasing cloak for select ships or a standard cloak for all Federation ships but as someone had stated earlier in the thread, it is a dead horse, beaten to death OVER and OVER. Just forget about it :)
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    belkin222 wrote: »
    SO why none UFP starship have phase cloaking device.

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  • viperiousspacedviperiousspaced Member Posts: 122 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    T5 Rom Rep reward = nuff said.
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  • belkin222belkin222 Member Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    First talk phase cloak without the battle cloak. Meaning that ship can cloak while under fire. Biggest advance be another way escape projective weapon already locked on to but yet hit you. Few ways that can happen fight first advance battle cloak. Perfect counter for it not only did fire take shoot it be also make so weapon shot at you have no effect. Or in Galaxy X class case you use way anti matter spread before combo move to escape enemy get project lock on to you us cloak device.

    On top of that Romolus Republic offer help far cloak techology goes before side gain allies.
  • astro2244astro2244 Member Posts: 623 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    mewmaster101 wrote: »
    They have already stated multiple times, that becuase the Star empire is still around, they will not use any cloaking deviced except in VERY special cases, in this case the defiant and avenger. It is also stated, that even if the Star Empire were to die, the treaty would still be in effect due to the Romulan Republic existing.

    In reality, the Gal-X is from an alternate universe where that treaty was never made, and thus the ONLY reason it has a cloaking device is because that ship comes from an alternate reality.



    I agree. There's no cloaking on other ships then gal-x, defiant, or avenger. And that's not going to change.


    On a side point the Episode in question I just finished rewatching in TNG: (All good things...) shows it was a alternate future for the same universe. The Klingon Empire Defeated the Romulan star empire and took over it's territory.

    Therefore the treaty of Algeron was in effect till the RSE fell. Remember that in this alternate future the Enterprise was about to be decommissioned when Riker using Admiral's priviliege had the ship retrofited with all the tricks including cloak and lance.
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  • annemarie30annemarie30 Member Posts: 2,698 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    actually there IS another cloak. the Defiant's cloak that was destroyed, the alternate reality gal=x cloak, Pegasus phase cloak, and the last cloak, the one swiped by none other than Captain James T.Kirk
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  • kestrelliuskestrellius Member Posts: 462 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Feds don't use cloaks because:

    A. Gene Roddenberry thought they shouldn't. Of course, GR thought a lot of things.
    B. The Treaty of Algeron, which as has been established is so completely irrelevant now that it's not even funny. No, I don't care if they UFP president officially still holds it as valid, the Federation is at war with the RSE. Treaties tend to fall apart under those circumstances. And as for the Republic? Hah! It is relying on Federation help just to stay alive. I'm relatively certain they would gladly offer cloaking tech to help survive.
    C. And, most importantly, the Klingons would whine. Well, they would whine more. I mean, it would be terrible if they didn't have their special advantages exclusive to them any more. What do you expect, in-universe logic? Balance?
  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,489 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    kestrellius wrote: »
    Feds don't use cloaks because:

    A. Gene Roddenberry thought they shouldn't. Of course, GR thought a lot of things.
    B. The Treaty of Algeron, which as has been established is so completely irrelevant now that it's not even funny. No, I don't care if they UFP president officially still holds it as valid, the Federation is at war with the RSE. Treaties tend to fall apart under those circumstances. And as for the Republic? Hah! It is relying on Federation help just to stay alive. I'm relatively certain they would gladly offer cloaking tech to help survive.
    C. And, most importantly, the Klingons would whine. Well, they would whine more. I mean, it would be terrible if they didn't have their special advantages exclusive to them any more. What do you expect, in-universe logic? Balance?

    Having said that, i would love a phase cloak on the Oberth.
    Nobody will ever fear balance if said phase cloak can only be used on the Oberth.
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  • max1002max1002 Member Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    johnsteward wrote: »
    One could argue that with the destruction of romulus the treaty of algeron is now null and void. But i assume nothing will change ingame regarding cloak stuff

    You right I believe the Devs said that The Federation is up holding all the same agreements with the Romulan Republic. That was with the Romulan Empire.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    annemarie30 wrote: »
    actually there IS another cloak. the Defiant's cloak that was destroyed, the alternate reality gal=x cloak, Pegasus phase cloak, and the last cloak, the one swiped by none other than Captain James T.Kirk

    It's not the idea that Starfleet would not know how to develop cloaks. They've had examples captured throughout the history of the IP. The Romulan D7's cloaking device stolen by Kirk in TOS. The captured Klingon Bird of Prey from the movie era. Etc.

    But the real idea is that Gene Roddenberry's "White Knights" don't go skulking around is the central theme. Starfleet's ships have traditionally had a bright theme in their appearances. From TOS, TNG, DS9 / Dominion War, VOY, and even ENT shows. Through all the various movies. Starfleet has fielded generally bright schemes, i.e. light grey or near white. When Starfleet comes for you, for good or bad, you'll know.
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    warmaker001b wrote: »
    But the real idea is that Gene Roddenberry's "White Knights" don't go skulking around is the central theme. Starfleet's ships have traditionally had a bright theme in their appearances. From TOS, TNG, DS9 / Dominion War, VOY, and even ENT shows. Through all the various movies. Starfleet has fielded generally bright schemes, i.e. light grey or near white. When Starfleet comes for you, for good or bad, you'll know.

    Yeah, this, I mean seriously.

    The Fed. playerbase needs to actually start proposing some cool advancements on their ships that fit within the lore of Star Trek and how the Federation is suposed to be if they want to see something new added.
    This constant whining for cloaks is becomming boring if not annoying to say at least.
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