No.
Cryptic has dishonoured Romulans enough. I have enough of trouble being into teh "Le republic".
How about to ally them with Klingons? This faction has not enough of players, so those might buff their playerbase.
As for me, those cardassian's got to have their own sub faction.
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No... Romulans are not even the faction they are supposed to be, romulans joining with fed or kdf is ridiculous, cardasians joining romulans is insanity.
Romulans need a full independant faction and so should any that follow.
While I am a fan of adding more playable races to the game, and a fan of giving the various races their own unique stories, lets face it a Gorn/Andorian/etc plot for levels 1-10 would be sweet, keep yer damned Cardi's the hell away from the Romulan fraction. Its suck enough as is w/o tryin for tack on a species that is nowhere near Rom space. Not just no, hell no.
They gimped Romulans by not allowing them access to T5 ships, though.
If you feel that the devs gimped the Romulans, the devs didn't gimp the Romulans by not allowing them access to T5 ships, Player Feedback gimped the Romulans by not allowing them access to T5 ships.
If you feel that the devs gimped the Romulans, the devs didn't gimp the Romulans by not allowing them access to T5 ships, Player Feedback gimped the Romulans by not allowing them access to T5 ships.
Yes, this. It was the players who were upset with Cryptic allowing Romulans to use T5 ships that forced Cryptic to change the policy. And it was a good change, IMO. Allowing Romulans to use every T5 ship made them too versatile compared to KDF and Feds. As many said at the time: there is no reason to play a Fed or KDF species when the Romulans can do everything they can and more.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I don't recall ever seeing any Dev stating categorically that there will never be a Liberated Borg faction.
They HAVE said that if they were to ever do one, that they would have to be Liberated Borg in the same sense that there are no true Tal Shiar players in the Romulan faction. No "bad guy" play.
They HAVE also said that any future factions will follow the Romulan model, to preserve the Red vs. Blue division.
And last I heard, they said there WOULD be another faction someday... though that's always subject to change. It was a massive undertaking for LoR and not one they're anxious to repeat soon. It will have to be part of a future expansion.
Nothing faction-wise has been ruled out and everything is on the table, as long as they can make it work with the Allegiance mechanism and cross-faction content.
The technical difficulties of introducing even a microfaction are huge. A first encounter faction ( to the game not startrek) like the voth are the easiiest to introduce. But a new expansion with 15k yen packages and 35 new ships at 2.5k yen each are the biggest moneymakers so it will eventually happen.
When a borg is liberated, he will start remembering her / his origins, and its probably that he will try to re-join its original culture and integrate in their original species. SO, its impossible that a "liberated borg" faction will exist. In any case, some borgs will form a syndicate, only those who dont want to go back with their original species (weird..).
I disagree, there would be a great sense of comradeship and shared suffering with other ex-Borg, together with a collective desire to end/punish the collective (if you excuse the pun). I think it could make quite an interesting idea, if executed correctly.
More interesting than Cardassians. Aside from Garek, they've been universally dull. I'd take Garek's statement on Romulus and Romulans and apply it to Cardassia. Though if there is an easy formula they could use to get loads of mini-factions in game, it could be good. I wouldn't oppose it just because I wouldn't play it.
The Romulan half-faction idea was a good thought, it just shouldn't have been used for Romulans. It would have been best to have Federation, Klingon, Romulans as three core factions then a bunch of mini-factions branching off them based on the Romulan model - perhaps turning member species ion subjactions so you have a Gorn faction embedded within the Klingon faction as a sub-faction rather than just as another species of the Klingon faction. Perhaps such an idea is easy to apply in retrospect?
I oppose a Borg faction and to be honest any more factions. I'm a fan of the Cardassians and to be honest I wouldn't want to see them given the same poor treatment as the Romulans got. I'd rather just have them added as a conquered species of the Klingon Empire, through in a re-species token and we're golden.
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While long term I support the idea of additional factions, I absolutely don't want the Romulan Republic to be saddled with any of them, and I don't want to see any new factions until the Romulan Republic is a full fledged faction instead of a Fraction. This means we get our own BOFFs, including the alien reward BOFFs that are currently tagged to our allies, our own DOFFs, including from exploration and commendations, our own Fleets and Fleet Holdings, our own Omega ground set, and so on.
Wasn't aware that STO used Yen. Although a Yen is pretty close to Zen in terms of price. 1 Yen = 0.978 Zen.
This error is probably due to the RL reason that on the keyboards of several nations the "Y" and "Z" buttons are reversed but when the keyoard driver is not set up properly it simply goes by location of the button so when he/she pressed "Z" it still resulted in a "Y".
Happens to me in some stubborn games on occasion that simply refuse to employ the proper driver setting.
I almost believe having a KDF faction in the first place was a bad idea. (which would "lead" to the Romulan faction)
Why? The Klingons are not evil ... even if they are bad guys.
And if STO only ever had one faction, then the FED faction would have [obviously] 100% developments costs put into it, making it spectacular.
I have said a similar thing since Day 1. By Launching with an incomplete KDF Faction all they did was create anger and angst among the KDF player-base. If they had Launched Fed-only they could have Launched a more complete game and could have focused on fixing things quicker. Then at some later point they could have added a KDF Expansion Pack. And then PvP Expansion Packs, etc.
By trying to do too much at Launch they never got anything completely finished and the company has basically spent 3 years doing catch-up work.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I find the definition "like minded" to make little sense. Leave the Romulans in peace. Or even better, give them an actual piece. Now that would be sure to please. No offense! Being put in a box with others just makes many of us very tense.
Romulans do not need to be full faction, well they do need a Romulan Naval Academy, but otherwise I am very happy with the Romulans, well I would like to see an Imperial Romulan featured series.
If there will be another minifaction I'd vote for Deferi. Why? By using the Deferi Cryptic avoids to slaughter another iconic Star Trek people by making them something they never were, all due to the weird requirement of not featuring "evil" characters in this game (thus, Romulans became democrats and all). The Deferi are in a two alliance situation already and they could make some nice ships for them. Especially considering that they, like a ton of other things, completely dropped any kind of story revolving around them. They just decided "Meh, stop it."
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Just say no to spoonheads. The Cardies feel like they were designed specifically to be devoid of any redeeming quality.
Gotta call bull**** on that. Remember, most of their canon interactions with the other AQ powers were when they were either a neo-fascist military dictatorship or a client state of the Dominion. Even then, they care deeply about their families and a great many of them still demonstrate a basic sense of honor and decency.
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I wouldn't mind seeing a Cardassian faction along the lines of the current Romulan one, choosing an ally at level 10. By no means do I think it should be part of the Romulan faction. To me at least, the Cardassians should be playable in some form. We should have at least some Cardassian bridge officers at this point, we've already got them as doffs. It shouldn't be that hard. The biggest problem I see to a Cardassian faction is what about those shiny Galors from the original lock box?
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I wouldn't mind seeing a Cardassian faction along the lines of the current Romulan one, choosing an ally at level 10. By no means do I think it should be part of the Romulan faction. To me at least, the Cardassians should be playable in some form. We should have at least some Cardassian bridge officers at this point, we've already got them as doffs. It shouldn't be that hard. The biggest problem I see to a Cardassian faction is what about those shiny Galors from the original lock box?
I can never understand why others always think of romulans as a half faction, I always think of them as a complete faction in there own right, so they are neutral in the fed kdf conflict but have diplomatic representatives on both fed and kdf sides, there is nothing so unusual in this.
and if they happen to be in a mission that involves fighting other romulans I just think of them as being tal shiar operatives I am fighting against.
and don't forget they also have their own romulan command centre on new rom where romulans from both aliances can mix and mingle, this is something the true kdfs and feds don't have access to.
they also have their own version of ESD in the romulan flotilla that kdf and feds cant access.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
I can never understand why others always think of romulans as a half faction, I always think of them as a complete faction in there own right, so they are neutral in the fed kdf conflict but have diplomatic representatives on both fed and kdf sides, there is nothing so unusual in this.
and if they happen to be in a mission that involves fighting other romulans I just think of them as being tal shiar operatives I am fighting against.
and don't forget they also have their own romulan command centre on new rom where romulans from both aliances can mix and mingle, this is something the true kdfs and feds don't have access to.
The arbitrary splintering of the Republic between FED and KDF supporters, the lack of full ROM DOFing and BOFing, the volume of faction-agnostic content which makes up 1/3 of the ROM leveling experience, the strange costuming restrictions, the shared anniversary event locations, the lack of pure ROM fleets...
The arbitrary splintering of the Republic between FED and KDF supporters, the lack of full ROM DOFing and BOFing, the volume of faction-agnostic content which makes up 1/3 of the ROM leveling experience, the strange costuming restrictions, the shared anniversary event locations, the lack of pure ROM fleets...
I have Klingons in my feds doffs and humans in my kdfs doffs, many of the fed doff missions are mirrored on the kdfs doff missions, many of the story missions are also mirrored in kdf and feds story lines, many of the pves often involve joint fed rom kdf groups as does voth combat at the sphere even though we might not be teamed together we are still fighting side by side against a common foe.
same with the shared anniversary event locations, when I went to risa there were feds and kdfs same for q`s winter event.
if you concider roms a half faction should you not also think the same of feds and kdfs.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
I have Klingons in my feds doffs and humans in my kdfs doffs, many of the fed doff missions are mirrored on the kdfs doff missions, many of the story missions are also mirrored in kdf and feds story lines, many of the pves often involve joint fed rom kdf groups as does voth combat at the sphere even though we might not be teamed together we are still fighting side by side against a common foe.
same with the shared anniversary event locations, when I went to risa there were feds and kdfs same for q`s winter event.
if you concider roms a half faction should you not also think the same of feds and kdfs.
Yeah, I keep hearing about factions being "incomplete" Guess which faction lacks one of the playable races as Boffs?
well anyhoo I prefer to look on romulans as a complete faction and if they bring out a new faction most likely cardies then I guess they will do the same with them as they did with roms.
but the way I look at it is after the early tutorial story lines that are unique for each faction it seems to me that 99% of the stuff we do is much the same regardless of faction, as I said before we all do the same story missions we all go to most of the same social hubs like nimbus3, new rom, ds9, ect. ect. we all do the same reps. and we all do the same events like mirror, crystalline entity, summer and winter.
if others prefer to see it differently that's up to them but personally I really cant see much to get in a snit about.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Cardassian faction by itself? Fine. Cardassian mini-faction? Fine. Cardassians lumped in with Romulans? WTF?
Gotta call bull**** on that. Remember, most of their canon interactions with the other AQ powers were when they were either a neo-fascist military dictatorship or a client state of the Dominion. Even then, they care deeply about their families and a great many of them still demonstrate a basic sense of honor and decency.
Really! Bull****!? A bit strong I think given that we're not exactly discussing real-world history here, but okay. Cardassians are consistently presented as statist expansionists with an extremely well-developed sense of cultural superiority which rivals that of the Romulans.
Their provided history up until the end of the Dominion war is one of outward aggression. It is also telling that decent Cardassians are continuously portrayed as exceptions to a broader rule. Hell, most of the Cardassians we see in the DS9 finale eps are rebelling against being subservient, not out of any sense of moral outrage. Granted, we see few civilians but isn't that also a bit telling? Cardassian civilians seem comparatively rare.
I just don't see the appeal. I say that having enjoyed the Garak character - a character who took pains to point out that he wasn't a particularly good person. Funny how that made him a fantastic Cardassian.
I know this is a subject that I have touched on before, but I'm taking another crack at it. Every couple of weeks (in some cases, a little longer) someone will post a thread, much like this one, about new factions.
Aside from the Cardassian (and Dominion), there are two other factions that appear to crop up from time to time. One is a Borg Faction (or, more to the point, a Liberated Borg Faction) and the other is a Mercenary Faction. I should note here that I am against a Mercenary Faction; I just don't think the ends will justify the means, and it wouldn't be utilized by enough people to warrant the work going into it.
I would, and always have supported a Cardassian faction, although I don't think the game would do well having another faction thrown into the mix. Why? The simple answer is a diluted playerbase. Most people play as Federation, and I'd be willing to bet there are more Romulan characters/players out there than there are Klingon too. I wouldn't want to further dilute the playerbase by adding a 4th faction, whether it's within the alliance system or not.
What I propose is that the Republic be reworked (from the ground up) to incorporate a like minded group of Cardassians who merely want to exist and live in relative peace.
Let us take a look at what we've got, and what we could have:
The Federation; a coalition of Planets all working toward peace, science and exploration.
The Klingon Defense Force; an alliance of pirates, smugglers and warriors, working toward war and mischief.
For what little it may be worth, I'd be tempted to rename the KDF to the IDF; Imperial Defense Force is more prudent considering the Defense Force doesn't consists of only Klingons.
A Refugee Coalition (of sorts); your Romulans, Remans, Cardassians forming the core of this faction, with the Suliban, Acamarian, rogue Jem Hadar and maybe Bajoran (or Bajoran-Cardassian Hybrids) as the lesser. There is potential to throw a handful of other species in here, but we'll keep the list short for now.
Said proposal would start in the character creator, you choosing a species to play as. Depending on your selection, you'd start within the Romulan Tutorial and follow through with the early Republic missions, or you'd get a Cardassian Tutorial and a selection of Cardassian missions.
The Republic can keep Mol'rhian, the Cardassians can have their own planet. The two however would fall under one complete, independent faction with their own fleet system, their own fleet weapons, their own campaign etc.
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What about the Liberated Borg you might ask? Well this one is quite simple really. Place a full set of Liberated Boffs on the C-Store (or a Liberated Boff purchasable token) enabling Liberated characters to get themselves a crew.
Each Liberated Character would start in a Borg Interceptor/Probe (until level #10, at which point they'd acquire a Sphere). Said Sphere, per every #10 levels would get an automatic upgrade. I don't really want players flying around in a Borg Cube, though the Sphere is a fair enough compromise. Have a ship (rather than a weapon) that levels with the player. Upon level #10, said player can go somewhere (Memory Alpha maybe?) and pay x4 Fleet Ship Modules for their Sphere to be upgraded to Fleet Level.
And there you have it; the Liberated Borg Faction solved. Just enable Liberated characters for existing factions, maybe slightly tweaking the Tutorial so that it reflects their status.
I always hoped there would be some sort of privateer faction/class added in. You can do cargo runs/missions, piracy, slavetrading, whatever....kind of an open ended storyline with a smaller class of ships, and possibly some kind of "slignment" system added in where if you TRIBBLE off to many ...let's say Klingons, they start shooting at you everytime you run into them(NPC's)
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Cryptic has dishonoured Romulans enough. I have enough of trouble being into teh "Le republic".
How about to ally them with Klingons? This faction has not enough of players, so those might buff their playerbase.
As for me, those cardassian's got to have their own sub faction.
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Romulans need a full independant faction and so should any that follow.
:rolleyes:
If you feel that the devs gimped the Romulans, the devs didn't gimp the Romulans by not allowing them access to T5 ships, Player Feedback gimped the Romulans by not allowing them access to T5 ships.
I disagree, there would be a great sense of comradeship and shared suffering with other ex-Borg, together with a collective desire to end/punish the collective (if you excuse the pun). I think it could make quite an interesting idea, if executed correctly.
More interesting than Cardassians. Aside from Garek, they've been universally dull. I'd take Garek's statement on Romulus and Romulans and apply it to Cardassia. Though if there is an easy formula they could use to get loads of mini-factions in game, it could be good. I wouldn't oppose it just because I wouldn't play it.
The Romulan half-faction idea was a good thought, it just shouldn't have been used for Romulans. It would have been best to have Federation, Klingon, Romulans as three core factions then a bunch of mini-factions branching off them based on the Romulan model - perhaps turning member species ion subjactions so you have a Gorn faction embedded within the Klingon faction as a sub-faction rather than just as another species of the Klingon faction. Perhaps such an idea is easy to apply in retrospect?
Wasn't aware that STO used Yen. Although a Yen is pretty close to Zen in terms of price. 1 Yen = 0.978 Zen.
This error is probably due to the RL reason that on the keyboards of several nations the "Y" and "Z" buttons are reversed but when the keyoard driver is not set up properly it simply goes by location of the button so when he/she pressed "Z" it still resulted in a "Y".
Happens to me in some stubborn games on occasion that simply refuse to employ the proper driver setting.
Why? The Klingons are not evil ... even if they are bad guys.
And if STO only ever had one faction, then the FED faction would have [obviously] 100% developments costs put into it, making it spectacular.
I hope STO get's better ...
By trying to do too much at Launch they never got anything completely finished and the company has basically spent 3 years doing catch-up work.
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and if they happen to be in a mission that involves fighting other romulans I just think of them as being tal shiar operatives I am fighting against.
and don't forget they also have their own romulan command centre on new rom where romulans from both aliances can mix and mingle, this is something the true kdfs and feds don't have access to.
they also have their own version of ESD in the romulan flotilla that kdf and feds cant access.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
The arbitrary splintering of the Republic between FED and KDF supporters, the lack of full ROM DOFing and BOFing, the volume of faction-agnostic content which makes up 1/3 of the ROM leveling experience, the strange costuming restrictions, the shared anniversary event locations, the lack of pure ROM fleets...
I have Klingons in my feds doffs and humans in my kdfs doffs, many of the fed doff missions are mirrored on the kdfs doff missions, many of the story missions are also mirrored in kdf and feds story lines, many of the pves often involve joint fed rom kdf groups as does voth combat at the sphere even though we might not be teamed together we are still fighting side by side against a common foe.
same with the shared anniversary event locations, when I went to risa there were feds and kdfs same for q`s winter event.
if you concider roms a half faction should you not also think the same of feds and kdfs.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
My character Tsin'xing
but the way I look at it is after the early tutorial story lines that are unique for each faction it seems to me that 99% of the stuff we do is much the same regardless of faction, as I said before we all do the same story missions we all go to most of the same social hubs like nimbus3, new rom, ds9, ect. ect. we all do the same reps. and we all do the same events like mirror, crystalline entity, summer and winter.
if others prefer to see it differently that's up to them but personally I really cant see much to get in a snit about.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Really! Bull****!? A bit strong I think given that we're not exactly discussing real-world history here, but okay. Cardassians are consistently presented as statist expansionists with an extremely well-developed sense of cultural superiority which rivals that of the Romulans.
Their provided history up until the end of the Dominion war is one of outward aggression. It is also telling that decent Cardassians are continuously portrayed as exceptions to a broader rule. Hell, most of the Cardassians we see in the DS9 finale eps are rebelling against being subservient, not out of any sense of moral outrage. Granted, we see few civilians but isn't that also a bit telling? Cardassian civilians seem comparatively rare.
I just don't see the appeal. I say that having enjoyed the Garak character - a character who took pains to point out that he wasn't a particularly good person. Funny how that made him a fantastic Cardassian.
I always hoped there would be some sort of privateer faction/class added in. You can do cargo runs/missions, piracy, slavetrading, whatever....kind of an open ended storyline with a smaller class of ships, and possibly some kind of "slignment" system added in where if you TRIBBLE off to many ...let's say Klingons, they start shooting at you everytime you run into them(NPC's)
I thought WoW's forums had angry elitist snobs, but I never could have imagined the level STO forums has.