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  • sulfrustriplesulfrustriple Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    The hoh'sus beauty is an acquired taste.
    At first glance she's an ugly duckling, but she kind of grows on you over time. :cool:

    So does fungus. :P
  • serevnserevn Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    shpoks wrote: »
    Yes. hehe :D Now imagine if they announce a fleet Hegh'ta with this, then I'd faint! :P

    That might be crossing the line, making the Feds more jealous. They could self implode from jealousy. They'll start clamoring for their own ultra epic raider, more so than they already are.
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    patrickngo wrote: »
    I honestly wouldn't mind if the Feds got their very own Raider-as long as it was a copy of one of the existing KDF designs.

    including weaknesses.

    That last bit, "Including weaknesses" is why it isn't going to happen, of course.

    Think of "Defiant with Battlecloak" is what they have in mind with no compromises the BOP have to deal with.

    Alot of Feds ***** & moan about the perks of the Klingon Bird of Prey. Flexible Universal BOFF stations. Best maneuverability in the game. Balanced Console Slotting. A reputation of hard hitting decloaking strikes dating back from STO's release.

    They want those perks. But they don't want the compromises of significantly less hull & shield mods, less weapon slots, awful fleet level console numbers and assignments, 11 BOFF skill slots instead of 12 (unless Fleet Norgh, but that gets only 9 Consoles despite being a Fleet ship), etc., etc., etc.

    Great example? The Breen Raider.

    For all the raving of the hitting power, very flexible setup, speed, actually having the best Flanking bonus (better than what the BOPs will soon get), great maneuverability the ship has, nobody flies it anymore. Yes, it doesn't have the cloak of a BOP, but all the other characteristics are there of a BOP. But it has the speed and handling to get itself out of trouble easily to recover, most definitely so in PVE. But nobody flies it because they learned that they can't take the heat anymore while flying such a fragile craft.

    People "on the other side of the fence" look at the KDF BOP and say, "that's great" or "that's OP," but when playing such a craft, they cannot handle it. They can't take the heat. They can't survive. But they want all the benefits of the KDF BOP and none of the compromises.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    B'rel Retro - Holodeck: 31637

    134 Structural Integrity, providing ~40.61% additional hull to the base 22500.

    B'rel Retro - Tribble: 34801

    Reversing the SI boost, shows a base of 24750...matching the expected +10% gain.

    Admittedly, could have just checked the numbers from the shipyard, eh?

    So here are the numbers from the shipyard requisition...

    Hegh'ta Heavy: from 24000 to 26400
    B'rel Retro: from 22500 to 24750
    B'rel Fleet: from 24750 to 27225
    HoH'SuS: from 22500 to 24750
    Fleet HoH'SuS: from 24750 to 27225
    Fleet Norgh: from 24750 to 27225

    Straight up current base * 1.1...

    The Ambush bonus gained +10%, so it's now +25% without the Sub. Need actual confirmation if it stacks with Sub from an Embassy BOFF, but that would put Ambush at +35% for Raiders. Then add in the Flanking bonus...could be interesting.
  • kolbrandrkolbrandr Member Posts: 266
    edited April 2014
    Think of "Defiant with Battlecloak" is what they have in mind with no compromises the BOP have to deal with.

    Alot of Feds ***** & moan about the perks of the Klingon Bird of Prey. Flexible Universal BOFF stations. Best maneuverability in the game. Balanced Console Slotting. A reputation of hard hitting decloaking strikes dating back from STO's release.

    They want those perks. But they don't want the compromises of significantly less hull & shield mods, less weapon slots, awful fleet level console numbers and assignments, 11 BOFF skill slots instead of 12 (unless Fleet Norgh, but that gets only 9 Consoles despite being a Fleet ship), etc., etc., etc.

    Great example? The Breen Raider.

    For all the raving of the hitting power, very flexible setup, speed, actually having the best Flanking bonus (better than what the BOPs will soon get), great maneuverability the ship has, nobody flies it anymore. Yes, it doesn't have the cloak of a BOP, but all the other characteristics are there of a BOP. But it has the speed and handling to get itself out of trouble easily to recover, most definitely so in PVE. But nobody flies it because they learned that they can't take the heat anymore while flying such a fragile craft.

    People "on the other side of the fence" look at the KDF BOP and say, "that's great" or "that's OP," but when playing such a craft, they cannot handle it. They can't take the heat. They can't survive. But they want all the benefits of the KDF BOP and none of the compromises.

    Spot on analysis.

    Proud to be a BoP pilot from the beginning. :)
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