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The End of the Cannon/Scort?

mojobapmojobap Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited March 2014 in PvP Gameplay
Hello All,

I would like to know who believes that the age of a Classic Cannon/Bo Escort is at an end, meaning it is no longer the premiere damage dealer and no longer King in PvP.
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  • snoge00fsnoge00f Member Posts: 1,812 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    It hasn't been for a while now. But some skilled teams stretched it out for a bit.
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  • mojobapmojobap Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    snoge00f wrote: »
    It hasn't been for a while now. But some skilled teams stretched it out for a bit.

    So Ive noticed Im a Bug Tac/scort Captain and I love my ship, but i am being outclassed and out damaged by By Aux2Bat Beam FAW/DEM Wepon Power Overcapped Cruisers which not only Outdamges my JHAS but im having a real hard time taking them down , im not the Best Tac/scort Pilot but i hold my own and I know how to time my buffs, but lately it is no longer effective...
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  • ilhanskilhansk Member Posts: 620 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    2 years ago: Cannonscorts the only way to go.

    Today: Multiple ways to dmg delivery, cannonscorts not at the top of the food chain any longer. They still work if embedded in fitting team setup, against teams that has little defense against a classic bug swarm.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    mojobap wrote: »
    Hello All,

    I would like to know who believes that the age of a Classic Cannon/Bo Escort is at an end, meaning it is no longer the premiere damage dealer and no longer King in PvP.

    Hrmm, you know about the Elachi changes on Tribble...right?
  • notrealednanotrealedna Member Posts: 1,028
    edited March 2014
    mojobap wrote: »
    I would like to know who believes that the age of a Classic Cannon/Bo Escort is at an end, meaning it is no longer the premiere damage dealer and no longer King in PvP.

    Ill let you find who is the math genious who thinks that 45 degrees weapons should be 100 worse than 250 degrees beams.

    Also cannons are not canon (Deep space nice and all star trek movies were in your imagination).Wars are done with exploration ships.

    STO is unique in the mmo world thou..The first mmo that is 100% made and designed by roleplayers for roleplayers.

    ilhansk wrote: »
    Today: Multiple ways to dmg delivery, cannonscorts not at the top of the food chain any longer. They still work if embedded in fitting team setup, against teams that has little defense against a classic bug swarm.


    Multiple as in faw or vape?I don't think people can do that...I mean its way to hard for the average joe :rolleyes:
  • mojobapmojobap Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    snoge00f wrote: »
    It hasn't been for a while now. But some skilled teams stretched it out for a bit.

    No Virus i am not aware please do tell :)
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    abrupt damage at the right time gets kills most reliably. unless theres a LOT of faw users, but just 1 or 2 wont really do anything but blow up his own scoreboard numbers.
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  • wolverine595959wolverine595959 Member Posts: 726
    edited March 2014
    To the OP yeah Regular DHC/BO escorts are old news but DHC/BO/PB/ISO/Casc Tet escorts are pretty good now.
    Hey I Used to be Captain Data, well I guess I still am in game but the account link really screwed everything up :rolleyes:
  • mojobapmojobap Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    wolverine595959 wrote: »
    To the OP yeah Regular DHC/BO escorts are old news but DHC/BO/PB/ISO/Casc Tet escorts are pretty good now.

    Agreed Wolverine, and yes i do also use those , but its just that, Pretty good, My JHAS has no less than 8 different Loadouts (Which is still Bugged thanks to Cryptic wonderful quality assurance control) to deal with different opponents...yet....
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  • wolverine595959wolverine595959 Member Posts: 726
    edited March 2014
    mojobap wrote: »
    Agreed Wolverine, and yes i do also use those , but its just that, Pretty good, My JHAS has no less than 8 different Loadouts (Which is still Bugged thanks to Cryptic wonderful quality assurance control) to deal with different opponents...yet....

    The above build has allowed me to dust off the Raptor on the KDF side. I think when the TT split happens the 3 tac raptor may be able to take advantage of the TT split.
    Hey I Used to be Captain Data, well I guess I still am in game but the account link really screwed everything up :rolleyes:
  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I still use a all DHC or 3DHC 1 DBB bugship in kerrat and pugging queues sometimes, but its hard to use against premades with healers now, too much to overcome without a decloaking alpha most of the time. Must be even more hard if you don't have a bugship. I don't even use my non rom tacs that don't have bugships anymore.
    Tala -KDF Tac- House of Beautiful Orions
  • mojobapmojobap Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    marc8219 wrote: »
    I still use a all DHC or 3DHC 1 DBB bugship in kerrat and pugging queues sometimes, but its hard to use against premades with healers now, too much to overcome without a decloaking alpha most of the time. Must be even more hard if you don't have a bugship. I don't even use my non rom tacs that don't have bugships anymore.

    Hello Tala, yes i still see you in Kerrat sometimes , and in Kerrat i dont mind my Bug as its still lots of Fun in kerrat, but my gripe is With Cruisers Out damaging me and of course them being nearly impenetrable, what used to take me a lot less time to destroy is now taking a hell of lot longer, which is why in my OP i thought id ask the community, what their thoughts were :)
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  • revandarklighterrevandarklighter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Probably just the flavor of the month. Give it 6 month and it will be on the top again. Give it 10 month and it will suck again. Give it 12 and sci ships will be the only pvp ships. In 14 it will be cruisers...
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  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    mojobap wrote: »
    Hello Tala, yes i still see you in Kerrat sometimes , and in Kerrat i dont mind my Bug as its still lots of Fun in kerrat, but my gripe is With Cruisers Out damaging me and of course them being nearly impenetrable, what used to take me a lot less time to destroy is now taking a hell of lot longer, which is why in my OP i thought id ask the community, what their thoughts were :)

    Yeah its pretty hard taking some of the a2b cruisers down with a bug, what I do sometimes is do a feint attack or too and get them to burn buffs like APA, DEM, and doffed RSP, and using superior speed to stay out of range then come in when its out, also need elite disruptor now to help overcome all that shields they have.

    Problem is with a2b they can keep powerful skills like DEM3 at global and use doffed RSP 1 or 2 at the same time and by the time it wears off a2b made it come off cooldown only 10 or 15 sec later, its ridiculous sometimes and seems like every fed is using it lol. Then the other problem is overcapped dem faw beams shouldn't hit a single target harder then a DHC bug but it does especially because of the bleed through.
    Tala -KDF Tac- House of Beautiful Orions
  • wolverine595959wolverine595959 Member Posts: 726
    edited March 2014
    mojobap wrote: »
    Hello Tala, yes i still see you in Kerrat sometimes , and in Kerrat i dont mind my Bug as its still lots of Fun in kerrat, but my gripe is With Cruisers Out damaging me and of course them being nearly impenetrable, what used to take me a lot less time to destroy is now taking a hell of lot longer, which is why in my OP i thought id ask the community, what their thoughts were :)


    You need to stop worrying about the end of match numbers. Last night I was doing some PvP and I was hitting and killing folks with 60-70K crits and had about 1.2 million in damage and the BFAW cruiser on my team had 2 million. Numbers without context are just numbers and mean nothing. I wouls rather have an escort with 70K damage per ship killed then have BFAW cruiser that did 2 million damage but really contributed nothing to a kill.
    Hey I Used to be Captain Data, well I guess I still am in game but the account link really screwed everything up :rolleyes:
  • mojobapmojobap Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    marc8219 wrote: »
    Yeah its pretty hard taking some of the a2b cruisers down with a bug, what I do sometimes is do a feint attack or too and get them to burn buffs like APA, DEM, and doffed RSP, and using superior speed to stay out of range then come in when its out, also need elite disruptor now to help overcome all that shields they have.

    Problem is with a2b they can keep powerful skills like DEM3 at global and use doffed RSP 1 or 2 at the same time and by the time it wears off a2b made it come off cooldown only 10 or 15 sec later, its ridiculous sometimes and seems like every fed is using it lol. Then the other problem is overcapped dem faw beams shouldn't hit a single target harder then a DHC bug but it does especially because of the bleed through.

    I could not have said it any better (overcapped dem faw beams shouldn't hit a single target harder then a DHC bug but it does) i see im not the only one who feels this way and well Being a Fed i dont have access to those wonderful fleet Disruptors so i swap out either AP Reg Disruptors or Polarons :)

    on another note me and one of you fleet mates Hissy fit have also been discussing this issue, and yes we have to be more creative and its not impossible to take them down ... it is as you have said a FAW beam Boat should not out damage a JHAS or Equivalent Scort .... thats why Mini has it all figured out ... :)
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    wolverine595959 wrote: »
    You need to stop worrying about the end of match numbers. Last night I was doing some PvP and I was hitting and killing folks with 60-70K crits and had about 1.2 million in damage and the BFAW cruiser on my team had 2 million. Numbers without context are just numbers and mean nothing. I wouls rather have an escort with 70K damage per ship killed then have BFAW cruiser that did 2 million damage but really contributed nothing to a kill.

    Basically, it's not the guy that did the most damage to kill the target but the guy that did the least damage to kill the target...
  • shandypandyshandypandy Member Posts: 632 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    If you love it, then you should've put some cannons on it.

    Interesting about the Elachi process though. Might dust them bad-boys off.
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  • mojobapmojobap Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    virusdancer wrote: »
    Hrmm, you know about the Elachi changes on Tribble...right?

    Virus what is this Elachi changes that you speak of on tribble server? i am curious

    Thanks
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    mojobap wrote: »
    Virus what is this Elachi changes that you speak of on tribble server? i am curious

    Thanks

    This bit...
    coldsnapped wrote: »
    Removed the 5 second immunity associated with Elachi Disruptor procs. These weapons no longer cause a lockout period, and can proc as often as other weapons.

    ...so I guess there's no more making fun of the Elachi Turrets, heh.
  • mojobapmojobap Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    virusdancer wrote: »
    This bit...



    ...so I guess there's no more making fun of the Elachi Turrets, heh.


    Wow that is some good news the Proc lockout was what kept me from purchasing them,,,, any clue as to when to expect the change ?
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    mojobap wrote: »
    Wow that is some good news the Proc lockout was what kept me from purchasing them,,,, any clue as to when to expect the change ?

    Those were from the March 7th notes last week...they posted new Tribble notes today. Given the standard turnaround, probably see the Holo notes from Smirk later tomorrow - won't actually know until then. I've been mulling it over since the notes...there's been some griping (lol, me included) about what it might mean with regard to FAW boats sporting Elachi Arrays. Haven't seen Cryptic say anything about those multiple FAW boat concerns...so it might go live on Thursday - will have to see.
  • mojobapmojobap Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    virusdancer wrote: »
    Those were from the March 7th notes last week...they posted new Tribble notes today. Given the standard turnaround, probably see the Holo notes from Smirk later tomorrow - won't actually know until then. I've been mulling it over since the notes...there's been some griping (lol, me included) about what it might mean with regard to FAW boats sporting Elachi Arrays. Haven't seen Cryptic say anything about those multiple FAW boat concerns...so it might go live on Thursday - will have to see.

    Yes i can see it now :) BTW Virus i always enjoy reading your Posts, I particularly liked your thoughts on Beam Rapid Fire and Beam Scatter volley Its a shame that Craptic does not heed your thoughts and ideas, then the game would be more balanced and more enjoyable :)

    Thank you for the Info
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  • chrisbrown12009chrisbrown12009 Member Posts: 790 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    what about DHC+torp? can vapers still be done this way? or is the BO punch NEEDed and thus a need to get a 10million DOFF just for the BO......
  • rudiefix1rudiefix1 Member Posts: 420
    edited March 2014
    for highturn cruisers and raiders/escorts/destroyers which can run AtoB, cannons can still be very effective.

    I have been workingon this lately and the results are with much satisfaction.

    To reveal a bit: It concerns locator cannon consoles, DHC's, experimental proton cannon, beam overload, scatter volley
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  • koppenflakkoppenflak Member Posts: 191 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    mojobap wrote: »
    Hello All,

    I would like to know who believes that the age of a Classic Cannon/Bo Escort is at an end, meaning it is no longer the premiere damage dealer and no longer King in PvP.

    I'm sorry, but I've just been informed of this post

    Who the heck are you, and why are you using a picture of my main toon as your avatar!? :eek: :mad:
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  • mojobapmojobap Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    koppenflak wrote: »
    I'm sorry, but I've just been informed of this post

    Who the heck are you, and why are you using a picture of my main toon as your avatar!? :eek: :mad:

    Sorry Just a Picture I found that I Like nothing More to it .. i can Change it makes you Happy :)
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  • koppenflakkoppenflak Member Posts: 191 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    mojobap wrote: »
    Sorry Just a Picture I found that I Like nothing More to it .. i can Change it makes you Happy :)

    It's like I've found my mirror twin.

    Proof of ownership. The character's name is Hawkins, and he's my main.
    http://imgur.com/a/2XKNK#72

    I may appreciate you changing it, if you do not mind.
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  • mojobapmojobap Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    koppenflak wrote: »
    It's like I've found my mirror twin.

    Proof of ownership. The character's name is Hawkins, and he's my main.
    http://imgur.com/a/2XKNK#72

    I may appreciate you changing it, if you do not mind.

    Already Done and I am sorry did not mean anything by it just a gif I found Using Google :)

    Stonewall
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  • chrisbrown12009chrisbrown12009 Member Posts: 790 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    rudiefix1 wrote: »
    for highturn cruisers and raiders/escorts/destroyers which can run AtoB, cannons can still be very effective.

    I have been workingon this lately and the results are with much satisfaction.

    To reveal a bit: It concerns locator cannon consoles, DHC's, experimental proton cannon, beam overload, scatter volley

    i think you may have missed my point.

    I am asking if it is possible to build a vaper WITHOUT using beam overload and thus not needing the BO doff. I have, or at least i think i have seen/been vaped by someone not using BO...

    How was that done? was something used with the cannons?

    and to answer the question before someone asks it (INB4 was it mini?):


    ....no it was not mini...
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