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GX: Phaser spinal lance as a weapon?
revandarklighter
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I'm kind of late on this train (since the rerelease has happened and will probably not look into this ship again within the next 10 years) but... In all the discussion about the missing LC Tac slot on the GX I feel like the other part the GX is lacking is kind of left out of the discussion:
The Phaser spinal lance, which is supposed to be one of the selling points. I feel it being kind of... absolutely useless at its current state.
Well, I personally think that thing is kind of wrong in concept.
Why is it a click-ability in the first place?
Back when the GX went life the first time there were no "special weapons" (or better "special weapons like the connie phasers were just different visually) around, so they probably didn't think of that option back then.
Now on the other hand we have quiet a few.
And there is nothing that speaks against it canonically, the one time the ship appeared it seemed to be kind of its primary weapon, it would probably not just fire every 4 minutes.
So here a few "ideas" of such a weapon could work (that doesn't mean that ALL of that should be implemented...):
- as basics it should have a very limited firing arc, like dual cannons or dual beams.
- it should have a high crit damage mod
- it should obviously be GX exclusive
- may be, since the GX is one of the few fed cruisers that can equip cannons and beams, it should be effected by cannon and beam powers (like the experimental proton weapon). May be with some attacks being unlocked with the Galaxy set ( of which this would be a 4th part)
- The current attacks might stay as special attacks, too.
- may be it can be fixed in a 5th weapon slot that greys out with saucer separation active (like the Dyson ship modes), (optional, may be, now that we have the tech for that, the LC eng would switch with an LC tac in that mode, too, like the dyson ship; to finally satisfy those who so desperately want that. It would make sense, too. TNG stated the the engine section separated would function as a full warship on the galaxy. So that could even work for the GR).
- It could drain AUX or Shield power additionally (like the Quad cannons draw eng power)
- Optionaly: It could completely depend on shield power (like the AUX cannon of the Vesta depend of AUX instead of Weapon power); the GX being a cruiser and (IMO) primarily an eng ship that would open interesting possibilities.
Just my 3 cents on that topic. I personally don't thing that would unbalance the GX or anything, and it would finally make it an interesting ship...
The Phaser spinal lance, which is supposed to be one of the selling points. I feel it being kind of... absolutely useless at its current state.
Well, I personally think that thing is kind of wrong in concept.
Why is it a click-ability in the first place?
Back when the GX went life the first time there were no "special weapons" (or better "special weapons like the connie phasers were just different visually) around, so they probably didn't think of that option back then.
Now on the other hand we have quiet a few.
And there is nothing that speaks against it canonically, the one time the ship appeared it seemed to be kind of its primary weapon, it would probably not just fire every 4 minutes.
So here a few "ideas" of such a weapon could work (that doesn't mean that ALL of that should be implemented...):
- as basics it should have a very limited firing arc, like dual cannons or dual beams.
- it should have a high crit damage mod
- it should obviously be GX exclusive
- may be, since the GX is one of the few fed cruisers that can equip cannons and beams, it should be effected by cannon and beam powers (like the experimental proton weapon). May be with some attacks being unlocked with the Galaxy set ( of which this would be a 4th part)
- The current attacks might stay as special attacks, too.
- may be it can be fixed in a 5th weapon slot that greys out with saucer separation active (like the Dyson ship modes), (optional, may be, now that we have the tech for that, the LC eng would switch with an LC tac in that mode, too, like the dyson ship; to finally satisfy those who so desperately want that. It would make sense, too. TNG stated the the engine section separated would function as a full warship on the galaxy. So that could even work for the GR).
- It could drain AUX or Shield power additionally (like the Quad cannons draw eng power)
- Optionaly: It could completely depend on shield power (like the AUX cannon of the Vesta depend of AUX instead of Weapon power); the GX being a cruiser and (IMO) primarily an eng ship that would open interesting possibilities.
Just my 3 cents on that topic. I personally don't thing that would unbalance the GX or anything, and it would finally make it an interesting ship...
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It being a console would still mean it to only fire once all 4 minutes.
That feels lame for the signature weapon of an iconic ship like that.
And I don't thing even all suggestions put together (which isn't my intention as I said) would make it a "super weapon".
45 degree weapon - 287 DPS
90 degree weapon - 257 DPS
180 -238 DPS
250 - 197 DPS
360 - 148 DPS
This gives us a polynominal regression equation of:
y = 1.252035127·10^-7 x^4 - 9.862171854·10^-5 x^3 + 2.556652797·10^-2 x^2 - 2.891322634 x + 373.8107908
Where x=arc.
So a 10 degree weapon would do 347 DPS and 521 DPV.
I would like to see a Dreadnought variant released with:
New Costume Option
Lt Cmdr Tac
No hangar or innate lance
Always on phaser lance weapon as described above
Maybe in a pack with a Dominion War or Yesterday's Enterprise standard Galaxy variant. (DW would include the G-X style two nacelles, maybe some battlecruiser flavor and console synergy with the always on lance weapon that provides +2 turnrate for the pair.) And bundle in the Nebula with a slight balance pass upgrade.
Bundle for 5k ZEN. New ships 2500 a piece.
We are covering this topic over HERE where the idea posted is unanimously supported., the TL;DR digest version is "Recycle the Kumari Phaser Wing Cannons asset onto the Dreadnought, let it use appropriate powers."
There is even support for the Bortas and Guramba having a special-weapon-item update.
Given that the copy of that thread started here in the shipyards is still on the front page it is not clear how you missed it.
MODERATORS: Are you going to merge/move these Phaser-Lance threads?
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Yes some cooldown bonus would be nice however the phrase 'better than nothing' springs to mind.
I still love my Gal X though.
The shot crit for 90k damage, even after all my resists. I think its safe to say it doesn't need buffing.
I'm not speaking about buffing the ability, I'm talking about changing it into something using a weapon slot, you now, like the title says, changing it into a weapon not a click-skill.
And I'm sot saying it should do the damage the click ability does now permanently. It shouldn't be better then the usual weapons (sthose current powers could remain as a buff like the cannon overload for the Kumari cannons only effecting the lance), just different making that thing a little more special.
And I'm not in the "I hate the current GX" camp here, I like the ship but the phaser lance which is IMO one of the defining traits of the onscreen version does not feel like being implemented appropriately.
Heck, maybe make it a spit polish of the Celestial as a new costume design with a bit of the current art direction of the game added in.
I think the best way to go with this is a craftable Energy Type Modification Console. It would come with Phaser but there would be craftable Blue Phaser, Disruptor, Tetryon, Plasma, Polaron, and Antiproton. For the special weapons from TRIBBLE boxes, they could have those as a possible drop from the weapon crates from those and the special weapons that come with TRIBBLE box ships could be purchasable the same way the Spinal Wave Disruptors are.
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