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plummyg33gplummyg33g Member Posts: 82 Arc User
Like the header of the thread says it is disappointment and why?

Because every time they release lock box about some faction it is the most certain way to tell us that they will not release any content ever again about that faction or some story, they are saying to us "they are trough with that faction for ever more"....Tholians, Dominion, Elachi, Voth, Hirogen etc.. and that is very sad because dose faction had so much story to be told.

So i am not looking forward of new lock box cause they will kill possibility of future content about that faction.
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  • rahmkota19rahmkota19 Member Posts: 1,929 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    THe only faction that can reallistically be brought in the game with the Red vs Blue system we have at the moment are the Cardassians. They are rebuilding and face terrorism. This enables a Republic treatment of splitting the characters into Fed-cardies and KDF-cardies. As much as I'd love a Dominion faction, it is not realistic. And most of the other stuff you mentioned are "bad guys".

    Besides, this F2P game needs to make its money out of something right? Lockboxes are the milking cow of the game. I for one take the "evil" stuff they represent in order to not having to pay a sub for the game.
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    that doesnt mean much, PWE could still have a dominion storyline on their drawing boards just waiting for the delta quadrant arc to finish, which could add more hirogen ships and storyline. lockboxes are not a way of confirming they dont plan on something later on, who knows.. if STO is going in 10 years from now we get everything we want as a community and not just the main powers seen on the tv screen but all the minor powers like the hriogen or tholians could also become playable, failing that how about a giant space gate that was discovered that leads to the the andromeda galaxy, playable kelvans and such.

    perhaps wildly optimistic, but its possible.
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  • plummyg33gplummyg33g Member Posts: 82 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    They will not release any episode regarding that faction ever again that is what i am saying
  • thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    plummyg33g wrote: »
    They will not release any episode regarding that faction ever again that is what i am saying

    Dooooom ... sorry but that's just an silly assumption ... of course the featured Lockbox, is normally linked to the release of some major Content Update regarding the species behind it ... and you might be right about, not getting any more Elachi, Tholian, Tal Shiar Content (mostly because they're not that important) ...

    BUT :
    - the whole Nukura Rep (incl. Vault Ensnared) ... was released several months AFTER the Lockbox
    - current Hirogen Lockbox didn't come with Hirogen Content, but pretty sure that's something that might change with possible "Delta Quadrant Expansion"
    - Voth are still missing a Zone, the last FE featured Voth, AFTER Lockboxes stopped dropping ... and next one will probably as well

    Pretty sure we didn't hear the last of Voth, Hirogen, Cardassians (they might even get their own Mini-Faction some day) ...
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  • blassreiterusblassreiterus Member Posts: 1,294 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    plummyg33g wrote: »
    Like the header of the thread says it is disappointment and why?

    Because every time they release lock box about some faction it is the most certain way to tell us that they will not release any content ever again about that faction or some story, they are saying to us "they are trough with that faction for ever more"....Tholians, Dominion, Elachi, Voth, Hirogen etc.. and that is very sad because dose faction had so much story to be told.

    So i am not looking forward of new lock box cause they will kill possibility of future content about that faction.
    plummyg33g wrote: »
    They will not release any episode regarding that faction ever again that is what i am saying
    I wonder about that, actually, if what you say is actually the case, I mean. It's clear to me that you seem to think that lockboxes don't generate content, which may be true, but the money generated from the lockboxes (you have to buy the keys to open them) does generate content. So, saying that Cryptic won't ever release content solely based on the lockboxes being released is folly at best, inane at worst.

    In the case of the Tholians, Dominion, Elachi, Voth and Hirogen having their ships in the lockboxes, that doesn't mean the story is going to go away forever because their ships have been put into lockboxes. Look at the Elachi story, where is it? Well, primarily, it's only a part of the Romulan Republic story, with a little bit of story here and there for the Federation and the KDF (on Nimbus). So, your assessment that the story won't ever happen solely based on the fact that a race has its ships in a lockbox is clearly shown to be false.

    You can't say that a storyline can't happen because a race's ships have been placed into a lockbox, because you aren't a developer for Cryptic and you don't know what is going to happen with the story of Star Trek Online.
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  • the1tiggletthe1tigglet Member Posts: 1,421 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    My personal problems with these boxes isn't the same as yours. I personally find it offensive that they've done nothing all this time to actually fix any of other skills other than particle gen skills on science captains and instead have insisted on releasing lockbox only consoles as replacements.

    If these weren't consoles they'd add to the diversity of science skills we've actually seen in each series and would improve the science class overnight.

    The only time I've ever opened boxes was to receive lobi crystals to get some item in the lobi store.
  • revandarklighterrevandarklighter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    rahmkota19 wrote: »
    THe only faction that can reallistically be brought in the game with the Red vs Blue system we have at the moment are the Cardassians. They are rebuilding and face terrorism. This enables a Republic treatment of splitting the characters into Fed-cardies and KDF-cardies. As much as I'd love a Dominion faction, it is not realistic. And most of the other stuff you mentioned are "bad guys".

    Besides, this F2P game needs to make its money out of something right? Lockboxes are the milking cow of the game. I for one take the "evil" stuff they represent in order to not having to pay a sub for the game.

    Pre lor I always thought if they do romulans they should tie them to one faction each.

    For example tieing the romulans to the federation would make sense so they could have a cloak sub faction (and with the Klingons beeing their arch nemesis it didn't seem right, although my romulan characters are mostly kdf oriented now, since the Klingon Empire seems to be the much much more reliable partner in stos current story)

    The cardis as fixed with the kdf seemed a fitting mirror imagine. Well outside that little invasion during ds9 there did not seem as much blood between those too, and they worked well together in the mirror universe. They could add the kind if benefits federation ships have to the kdf.

    After all, I do not really like the current romulan republic implementation. Now it seems to have very very little benefit to play "real" fed and even far less to play a real kdf char (opposed to a kdf allied rom).

    If nothing else, they should have boosted the kdf by making the roms kdf allied only. At least that way we would have gotten an actual playerbase there.

    Or change it from "kdf faction" to "not the federation faction" and add all alien others there^^
    Then they would at least put some effort into it.
  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,534 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I think the problem is at some point each of the story's have reached a certain point where continuing would cause a problem within the game itself.

    for example with the sphere the story takes us into the sphere and we end up in a struggle for overall control of the sphere with the voth.
    where can the story progress from here? if we win and take control the voth would be forced out of the sphere and we would have a zone that can no longer be played, if the reverse happens and the voth win and take control we would be forced out but the end result would still be the same, a zone that can no longer be played.

    they can move the story along by opening the gateway to the second sphere to face a new enemy but the conflict in the first sphere will never end.

    same with new Romulus, every player who has done the rep has donated heaps of stuff to supposedly help in the rebuilding of the new romulan home but has anyone seen even one new building there? has anyone seen any of the land being cultivated to feed the people there? has anyone seen any factory's or shipyards or shops or even homes appear?
    I have not seen one single change that has been made since the first day I set foot there.

    it doesn't mean the voth will be removed just because the lockbox has, it just means that they will bring out a new lockbox with the new enemy.

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  • chalpenchalpen Member Posts: 2,207 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Op is correct. There will never be another fe series again.
    A new episode every 6 months is more like it to introduce a new thing with a rep grind.
    It is the way the game has went
    Should I start posting again after all this time?
  • captainrevo1captainrevo1 Member Posts: 3,948 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    plummyg33g wrote: »
    They will not release any episode regarding that faction ever again that is what i am saying

    and you are making a massive assumption based on no evidence whatsoever.

    why would you conclude that once a lockbox is out that we will never see them again? they released the tholian lockbox, and then released the anniversary episode which had the tholians in, so that straight away goes against what you said.

    there are a lot of groups in star trek and we have not even touched on all of them yet. as they seem to cycle through them, they match up the content to promote it, but it does not rule out returns. having a large number to cycle through certainly means large gaps between seeing them again, but it does not suggest we will never see them ever again.

    im almost certain we will see the elachi again as they are part of the larger story. the ferengi pop up from time to time, they mentioned the hirogen will get some time in the future. i highly doubt we have seen the end of the cardassians either.
  • umaekoumaeko Member Posts: 748 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    chalpen wrote: »
    Op is correct. There will never be another fe series again.
    A new episode every 6 months is more like it to introduce a new thing with a rep grind.
    It is the way the game has went

    That's kind of an unfair assessment.

    Legacy of Romulus brought forward 30+ episodes for Romulans and Klingons. That was a lot of work and the production values were also fairly good. Both the new Klingon content and the whole Romulan campaign certainly hit the Featured Episode level of quality; and they certainly raise the episode to month margin higher than 1 per 6 months.

    Yes, presently, releases are very paced. But we know Cryptic has an expansion down the road by the end of this year, and much of the work they're doing is likely being reserved to maintain that release as of appropriate size to be called 'an expansion'.

    I'd like to see STO's broader storyline advanced just as much as the next guy, but last year's experience has clearly shown that Cryptic does better than simply sit on its hands and release one featured episode per half-year.
  • chalpenchalpen Member Posts: 2,207 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    umaeko wrote: »
    That's kind of an unfair assessment.

    Legacy of Romulus brought forward 30+ episodes for Romulans and Klingons. That was a lot of work and the production values were also fairly good. Both the new Klingon content and the whole Romulan campaign certainly hit the Featured Episode level of quality; and they certainly raise the episode to month margin higher than 1 per 6 months.

    Yes, presently, releases are very paced. But we know Cryptic has an expansion down the road by the end of this year, and much of the work they're doing is likely being reserved to maintain that release as of appropriate size to be called 'an expansion'.

    I'd like to see STO's broader storyline advanced just as much as the next guy, but last year's experience has clearly shown that Cryptic does better than simply sit on its hands and release one featured episode per half-year.

    You misunderstand. I "get it".
    Cryptic is correct. it takes them 6 months to make an FE series (i have no idea why it took so long because it took them 18 months to make an engine and a game with 50+ missions) and we consumed them in 30 minutes each saturday and wondered "what is next".
    Fe series 's were not the best way of giving content and using up resources.

    But man, they were awesome.

    I really like the pace at which cryptic is giving out content now.
    Should I start posting again after all this time?
  • killdozer9211killdozer9211 Member Posts: 920 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Eventually they'll run out of old missions to revamp and periods of time devoid of 3 week grind events, and then surely they'll have to go back to story missions...

    Surely...


    Right guys?

    Guys...?
  • paxfederaticapaxfederatica Member Posts: 1,496 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    umaeko wrote: »
    Legacy of Romulus brought forward 30+ episodes for Romulans and Klingons. That was a lot of work and the production values were also fairly good. Both the new Klingon content and the whole Romulan campaign certainly hit the Featured Episode level of quality; and they certainly raise the episode to month margin higher than 1 per 6 months.

    Yes, presently, releases are very paced. But we know Cryptic has an expansion down the road by the end of this year, and much of the work they're doing is likely being reserved to maintain that release as of appropriate size to be called 'an expansion'.

    This is one reason why I believe the next expansion will involve the arrival of the Iconians in Alpha Quadrant. Cryptic has already said it won't introduce any new factions, but if that's the case, they need to bring some other kind of major addition to the game to justify a full-fledged expansion, especially one with multiple new episodes - and surely the big reveal of an enemy that's been orchestrating events from behind the scenes throughout the game's storyline would be worth at least a 5-6 mission FE series for endgamers, along with a host of other new content.
  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I agree with the OP. Its unlikely we'll ever see Jem'Hadar playable race because the ships have already been sold off except for a little gunboat and the battleship--does anybody think they would ever give away a RA JHAS or JHEC, or sell fleet ships that are on part with the lockbox versions? Same is true for Breen, and now for Hirogen too.

    There are plenty of mini-faction ship lines to develop, Orions and Gorn, Vulcans, Andorians, could all carry 3-4 more ships, as long as they dont wind up in lockboxes too
  • rahmkota19rahmkota19 Member Posts: 1,929 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I think the problem is at some point each of the story's have reached a certain point where continuing would cause a problem within the game itself.

    for example with the sphere the story takes us into the sphere and we end up in a struggle for overall control of the sphere with the voth.
    where can the story progress from here? if we win and take control the voth would be forced out of the sphere and we would have a zone that can no longer be played, if the reverse happens and the voth win and take control we would be forced out but the end result would still be the same, a zone that can no longer be played.

    they can move the story along by opening the gateway to the second sphere to face a new enemy but the conflict in the first sphere will never end.

    same with new Romulus, every player who has done the rep has donated heaps of stuff to supposedly help in the rebuilding of the new romulan home but has anyone seen even one new building there? has anyone seen any of the land being cultivated to feed the people there? has anyone seen any factory's or shipyards or shops or even homes appear?
    I have not seen one single change that has been made since the first day I set foot there.

    it doesn't mean the voth will be removed just because the lockbox has, it just means that they will bring out a new lockbox with the new enemy.


    The story doesn't have to end.
    The game is 4 years old. In the past four years, we have been in 2409. STO has no timeline advance. And I doubt that we will finish the Voth War (one way or another) in a matter of months. Lets not try to get 1914 optimistic here, eh? I'm not convinced I'll be home by Christmas.
  • sfc#5932 sfc Member Posts: 992 Bug Hunter
    edited March 2014
    chalpen wrote: »
    You misunderstand. I "get it".
    Cryptic is correct. it takes them 6 months to make an FE series (i have no idea why it took so long because it took them 18 months to make an engine and a game with 50+ missions)
    The last FE had 5 episodes, most had full VO and plenty of new assets were made such as Facility 4028 for the mission of the same name. These things take time, and if you play from the Breen arc to the last FE, you can see how much they had improved since then.
  • aelfwin1aelfwin1 Member Posts: 2,896 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    chalpen wrote: »
    You misunderstand. I "get it".
    Cryptic is correct. it takes them 6 months to make an FE series (i have no idea why it took so long because it took them 18 months to make an engine and a game with 50+ missions)

    No offense , but I think you're wrong on the 6 months thing ... based on Cryptic's production of 3 FE series in 13 months (STO : Year 1) , and I'm pretty sure that they were not producing FE's when the game debuted , as they also put out 3 long STF's and sporadic KDF content in that same 13 month period .
    I really like the pace at which cryptic is giving out content now.


    I really don't . ;)
  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Guys... they're still making FE series, they just are unlocked through rep systems now. ;)

    (Cause you jerkfaces keep running through them in under an hour)
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