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What do you miss of old STO pvp?

marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited April 2014 in PvP Gameplay
PVP has changed a lot in 4 years, I miss a lot of the feel of PVP from 2-3 years ago, and I am sure others do also, what do you miss that has changed?

I miss when factions were unique with different tactics

I miss when free ships were viable in pvp and they were most of what was used. The Fleet escort (now known as Patrol escort) and Heghta BOP were great ships back then.

I miss when you could use 4 DHC builds

I miss when you could use torps without being a BO vaper

I miss when not everyone cloaked.

I miss when you used to see more faction ships then lockbox, lobi and event ships

I miss when you could level to 50, do a few STFs then jump into pvp without having to grind rep and fleet credits for months.

I miss when crafted, loot, and exchange bought consoles, equipment, and weapons were useful

I miss when there were less god mode doffs

I miss when there were no doffs

I miss when there were less cheese consoles and before there was cross faction consoles

I miss when Feds couldn't hide in FvF

I miss when you could change sides in Kerrat

I miss when you all start at the same spawn in kerrat for epic battles

I miss when tricobalt was useful.

I miss when a2b used to share eptx cooldowns

Sorry for rant lol, I just wish the old days could come back somtimes at least partially
Tala -KDF Tac- House of Beautiful Orions
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    You're mean...I don't want to remember that stuff! It's bad enough keeping up with how PvP was better a couple of weeks ago without looking at everything over the years...
  • zorena#3961 zorena
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    edited March 2014
    Logging in and having fun.
    Noone.
  • voporakvoporak Member Posts: 5,621 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I wasn't around in the old days, but long enough to know that it used to be more fun.

    What do I miss? PvP. This thing we have now is just a sad excuse.
    I ask nothing but that you remember me.
  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    voporak wrote: »
    I wasn't around in the old days, but long enough to know that it used to be more fun.

    What do I miss? PvP. This thing we have now is just a sad excuse.

    You have been here around 2 years maybe more. Enough time to notice a lot of changes, many not for the better. That was right around when they started Fleet starbases and before the rep system, so you got to experience PVP right before and as most of the power creep started

    Anything specific you and others can think of, what did you used to like or what don't you like now that used to be different?
    Tala -KDF Tac- House of Beautiful Orions
  • zorena#3961 zorena
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    edited March 2014
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98ATZgxMlYw
    Noone.
  • voporakvoporak Member Posts: 5,621 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    marc8219 wrote: »
    You have been here around 2 years maybe more. Enough time to notice a lot of changes, many not for the better. That was right around when they started Fleet starbases and before the rep system, so you got to experience PVP right before and as most of the power creep started

    Anything specific you and others can think of, what did you used to like or what don't you like now that used to be different?

    I joined the game because I saw the pretty ships and wanted that cool free ship they were giving away (the Odyssey). Basically I "grew up" in STO just before it all went downhill. I remember playing through the Dominion FE when it launched, but I most of all remember the day the Cardie lock boxes came out. I celebrated when they stopped dropping, and thought it was over and done.

    Heh.

    I miss literally being able to go to the exchange, buy gear, and then hop back into PvP with a new setup.

    If I want to change something now, I gotta grind days or weeks just for a few items from the fleet/rep store.

    I miss the days before the serious power creep.

    Back when space PvP was much slower paced. I really miss not having cheese flying everywhere. Now PvP consists of ships flying in crazy circles while ships yoyo damage and heal, with science/rep/lock box garbage taking a dump in my face every 4-7 seconds.

    Oh, I also miss when only Klingons cloaked, and only BoP hit-and-runners recloaked in battle. Now with Rommies, people can just recloak when going down.

    And I miss RSP being green...

    If PvP could speak...
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  • bobtheyakbobtheyak Member Posts: 374 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I miss not having autofire so you could keep up the APM rather than fire and forget.

    I don't miss replacing my keyboard every week though :cool:
  • devorasxdevorasx Member Posts: 693
    edited March 2014
    I miss all the OP said.
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  • wolverine595959wolverine595959 Member Posts: 726
    edited March 2014
    I think season 2 or 3 was the golden age of PvP not too many things broken. Escorts killed, cruisers healed, and sci ships did science. I think that time the holy trinity was the most balanced.
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  • chemist6lpchemist6lp Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Basically everything before the Romulans came. Vaping doesn't really prove that you have skill. But many people here think otherwise.
    Science for the win. / Czechoslovak Fleet 1st Division
  • drunkadmiraldrunkadmiral Member Posts: 197 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    - no doffs
    - no uni cons
  • staq16staq16 Member Posts: 1,181 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Most of what the OP said... plus PVP (and the game in general) focussing on actual Fed and klingon ships, so it looked like "Star Trek" and not "Generic Space Combat Game".
  • twamtwam Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Basically, I miss people in pvp. I'm not saying there's not a truckload of problems, but by now, I'd settle for having KvF pop on a frequent basis, at various points in the day. Having to wait for 15 minutes, only to be dumped in a 5v1 arena match, makes it feel like PvP is in its final days.
  • stoutesstoutes Member Posts: 4,219 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I started STO in october '12, started doing some fleet pvp in january '13. And only began to enjoy it halfway summer of last year.

    In this short amount of time so much things have changed... Don't get me wrong; I'm very much enjoying Ker'rat, CnH or an arena once or twice. I could even enjoy a proper vaper or a solid heal team.

    But as soon I notice the opposition just throwing truckloads of cheese (hold upon hold upon hold, etc), I usually stop doing my best and just fly around just to get it over with (you know, dailies...).

    The difference between last summer is immense.
    maxvitor wrote: »
    Nerf is OP, plz nerf
    That's quite the paradox, how could you nerf nerf when the nerf is nerfed. But how would the nerf be nerfed when the nerf is nerfed? This allows the nerf not to be nerfed since the nerf is nerfed? But if the nerf isn't nerfed, it could still nerf nerfs. But as soon as the nerf is nerfed, the nerf power is lost. So paradoxally it the nerf nerf lost its nerf, while it's still nerfed, which cannot be because the nerf was unable to nerf.

    I call it, the Stoutes paradox.
  • ussenterpisezussenterpisez Member Posts: 163 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I miss QeW and TSI
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  • adaephondelatadaephondelat Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    zorandra wrote: »
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98ATZgxMlYw

    Oh my, how have times changed. These days, everyone is zipping around at uber speed.

    I'm not against fast-paced combat, but right now there is so much going on simultanly at the screen that you can't tell anymore what happens, or what was it that killed you.

    Even your vids from a year ago show a two times better pvp than what there is now...
  • zorena#3961 zorena
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    edited March 2014
    P2w, powercreep, grind and stupid devs yes thats you gecko.
    There was never a fun time to face aceton assimilators and that aoe slowdown skill, they where broken from the start I did come up with a ship setup to deal with aceton assim, but basicly the team was fighting 4vs5 when you did that.
    Noone.
  • capnmanxcapnmanx Member Posts: 1,452 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Heh. I started feeling nostalgic about the 'good old days' of PVP about 2 weeks after the Borg and Aegis sets came out.
    My old (and now mostly obsolete) exploration suggestions thread. Give it a read. :)
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  • therealmttherealmt Member Posts: 428 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    zorandra wrote: »
    Logging in and having fun.

    ^this

    /5char


    I personally miss the maps and new environments which never existed. LOL

    ha ha ha

    I do not miss briar patch, i dispise solar wind, and kerrat was awesome the first time i saw it. Its now another dull place :(

    Miss the old spawncamp epic battles even kerrat got nerfed :( and its all rommies now too :(
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  • webdeathwebdeath Member Posts: 1,570 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    marc8219 wrote: »
    I miss when factions were unique with different tactics

    I miss when free ships were viable in pvp and they were most of what was used. The Fleet escort (now known as Patrol escort) and Heghta BOP were great ships back then.

    I miss when you could use 4 DHC builds

    I miss when you could use torps without being a BO vaper

    I miss when not everyone cloaked.

    I miss when you used to see more faction ships then lockbox, lobi and event ships

    I miss when you could level to 50, do a few STFs then jump into pvp without having to grind rep and fleet credits for months.

    I miss when crafted, loot, and exchange bought consoles, equipment, and weapons were useful

    I miss when there were less god mode doffs

    I miss when there were less cheese consoles and before there was cross faction consoles

    I miss when Feds couldn't hide in FvF

    I miss when you could change sides in Kerrat

    I miss when tricobalt was useful.

    As you can see, I didn't remove much, but the above is definitely what I do miss.

    Edit: Almost forgot to add: I miss a working PVP Queue.
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  • solarstreaksolarstreak Member Posts: 78 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I have played for about 2 years, so I wasn't there for the beginning. For me 1.5 years ago or so was the "old days". What do I miss? Hmm..

    - Doing ground pvp with my fleet. lolground I know, but it was more fun then many space pvpers give it credit for. :P

    - Being able to level a character and not have to worry about grinding rep, fleet gear, etc, for a month after getting the character leveled.

    - Being in control of my ship for more then half a match. May be exaggerated, but sci/console spam is very potent these days.

    What don't I miss?

    - The Jem'Hadar Attack Ship being basically the only escort in the game. It was either fly that, or be at a distinct disadvantage if you wanted to play the role of damage dealer. And since most players didn't have hundreds of millions of energy credits lying around the choice was already made up.
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  • ibuyevryshipibuyevryship Member Posts: 280
    edited March 2014
    anyone remeber the promise of cryptic befor the game lunch ?
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  • lordcuttersladelordcutterslade Member Posts: 116 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    good old High Yield times :(
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  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I miss when 'old STO PvP' was at the time current STO PvP.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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  • xalexkxxalexkx Member Posts: 193 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    i miss vaping with my 3dhc/torpedo escort builds, bringing shields down and photoning the hell outa their hull before.
    now i was forced to go to dbb build
    To boldly go where no FAWer has ever FAWed before.
  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    xalexkx wrote: »
    i miss vaping with my 3dhc/torpedo escort builds, bringing shields down and photoning the hell outa their hull before.
    now i was forced to go to cbb build

    I used to do 3DHC and 1 torp on a defiant long ago, it used to actually work good before. I loved that setup as you could make the ship look pretty canon and still be effective, then all these OP shields came out from STF then the fleet system and rep passive shield heals and those days were over :mad:
    Tala -KDF Tac- House of Beautiful Orions
  • havamhavam Member Posts: 1,735 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Ohh so much torp love in here, who knew you all were the sentimental types :)

    Being able to tweak my build without major time and money investments

    having friends in the queue to fly with

    Just hoping on and pewing for fun, TRIBBLE PvE....
    Joined 06.10
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  • xalexkxxalexkx Member Posts: 193 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    marc8219 wrote: »
    I used to do 3DHC and 1 torp on a defiant long ago, it used to actually work good before. I loved that setup as you could make the ship look pretty canon and still be effective, then all these OP shields came out from STF then the fleet system and rep passive shield heals and those days were over :mad:
    i used to run my armitage with 3 dhc/torpedo and advanced runabouts. it worked so well. i managed to get my hands on yellowstones in the second week since the first fleet had them. it worked perfect. but now with all those changes, as i said i was forced to go with dbb
    To boldly go where no FAWer has ever FAWed before.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    OP, you listed alot of interesting things, a number of which I can agree with. Most especially the point that the KDF & Feds were once very different in playstyle. But that was long ago, in a galaxy far, far away... Well, I'll list this as the one thing I miss the most from old STO PVP.

    Widespread participation. From Lieutenant to the then Lv40 level cap. Every tier, you could pop in PVP and find competition. Remember, early on, there was no FvF. For a KDF player, it was pretty easy to level. Just PVP. There were SOOOOO many Feds looking for a fight but not enough KDF players. You could finish one fight, load back into Qo'nos, queue up right away, and within a few seconds, ticking into another match.

    I enjoyed leveling my Fed & KDF toons from T1 to level cap mostly from PVP. And it's pretty sad to see when you roll a new toon now that PVP below Lv50 is nonexistent.

    Edit to add: I remember the lolz when there was no hull hp% before being able to use Ramming Speed... back then, Cruisers could, and did, run over Escorts with glee :P
    *splat*
    "HAHAHA! I have more HP than you!"
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