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Fleet Donations Should Allow Unrefined Dilithium

robbie222222robbie222222 Member Posts: 120 Arc User
Fleet donations should allow unrefined dilithium ore to be used as well as for all fleet purchases. The limits on refining dilithium are resonable with respect to the yen/dilithium exchange rates and i agree. But fleet purchases require huge REFINED dilithium costs and level 50 fleet level 5 gamers DO NOT HAVE ANY EXTRA REFINED DILITHIUM to add to our outrageously high fleet credit cost to have any refined dilithium to donate, but we have millions of unrefined dilithium and growing every day. I propose a level 4 fleet dilithium mine level which when completed would allow unrefined dilithium to be contributed to fleet project the same as refined dilithium. We have seven useless purple miners at level 3 ( only 3 tetsu nelek and 3 brenik are currently usefull ) they can be incorporated into a level 4 mine zone . THE POTENTIAL IS THERE TO DO SOMETHING INTERESTING TO US END GAMERS, IS THERE THE WILL.
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  • deathsremnantdeathsremnant Member Posts: 265
    edited March 2014
    Nope, the reason we have such good rates on Zen to Dilith in exchange is because of the huge amounts of Dilith sinks. Take those away and all well get out of it is inflation in the exchange. Fleet projects should require contribution from the entire fleet, not 1 guy dumping 24 hours straight in raw dilith farming...
  • groomofweirdgroomofweird Member Posts: 1,045 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Agreed, as much as I find high end fleet upgrades a pain in the TRIBBLE dilithium-wise, I am fully aware that in my fleet alone as well as myself several players have converted zen to dilithium to bump the projects on a bit.
    Across the whole game this would have a negative effect on the zen-dilithium economy, as much as the op's idea is only designed for top end fleets.
    I do agree that it would be nice to have something to do with unrefined dilithium though.
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  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Not going to happen.
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  • nagrom7nagrom7 Member Posts: 995 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    As has been said many times, the main way that they can help with the lack of dilithium for projects is increase the fleet credit value of it. 1:1 Is just insulting, 2:1 would be slightly better although I would like 5:1
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  • robbie222222robbie222222 Member Posts: 120 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Nope, the reason we have such good rates on Zen to Dilith in exchange is because of the huge amounts of Dilith sinks. Take those away and all well get out of it is inflation in the exchange. Fleet projects should require contribution from the entire fleet, not 1 guy dumping 24 hours straight in raw dilith farming...
    thank you for your thoughtful reply and i agree that the yen/dilithium exchange expansion is a zero sum game. BUT WE ARE PLAYING A GAME. and for end gamers if dead ends happens ( such as millions of unusable unrefined dilithum ) then my solution of level 4 mines should be explored.
  • groomofweirdgroomofweird Member Posts: 1,045 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I know it might sound odd for me to suggest it but I ended up in a similar predicament a while back, so I decided to start a new toon and just log in on my main once a day to refine it, after a couple of weeks of playing my new toon he was well kitted out as a result of my mains refining and I could enjoy both as a result.
    I acknowledge that if you're a player with allot of maxed out toons this might not be an option for you.
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  • artemisa0kartemisa0k Member Posts: 142 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    It would be rather nice if they added a mission similar to the extra 500 refine one to the mine that would refine X amount of dilithium ore and due to the sophisticated nature / efficiency of the mines equipment would also provide a percentage of extra refined dilithium which would then be dumped into a kind of fleet dilithium bank which could then be injected directly into projects.

    Something that would let you donate even if just a small amount without cutting drastically into your refine limit would do wonders for the current system. Of course you could technically dump the extra 500 dilithium refined into whatever project.

    My absolute dream scenario for the dilithium would be if you are in a fleet and it has a mine, you would get a option on the assets window under dilithium to activate fleet refining. This would pretty much turn on automatic refining (gold member perk) for anyone and would basically be transferring your 8k dilithium ore to the mining facility for enhanced refinement. You would get your 8k refined dilithium and the a percentage of extra refined dilithium based on the mines tier would then be put in the fleets dilithium storage bank.

    The dilithium bank would probably need to be setup so that it was restricted to only be used in projects and couldn't be converted to zen or transferred any other way, and the extra refined dilithium wouldn't grant any fleet credits. But it would be a nice way to help out the fleet even if for whatever reason you had problems contributing dilithium.
  • robbie222222robbie222222 Member Posts: 120 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    artemisa0k wrote: »
    It would be rather nice if they added a mission similar to the extra 500 refine one to the mine that would refine X amount of dilithium ore and due to the sophisticated nature / efficiency of the mines equipment would also provide a percentage of extra refined dilithium which would then be dumped into a kind of fleet dilithium bank which could then be injected directly into projects.

    Something that would let you donate even if just a small amount without cutting drastically into your refine limit would do wonders for the current system. Of course you could technically dump the extra 500 dilithium refined into whatever project.

    My absolute dream scenario for the dilithium would be if you are in a fleet and it has a mine, you would get a option on the assets window under dilithium to activate fleet refining. This would pretty much turn on automatic refining (gold member perk) for anyone and would basically be transferring your 8k dilithium ore to the mining facility for enhanced refinement. You would get your 8k refined dilithium and the a percentage of extra refined dilithium based on the mines tier would then be put in the fleets dilithium storage bank.

    The dilithium bank would probably need to be setup so that it was restricted to only be used in projects and couldn't be converted to zen or transferred any other way, and the extra refined dilithium wouldn't grant any fleet credits. But it would be a nice way to help out the fleet even if for whatever reason you had problems contributing dilithium.
    thank you for your thoughtful reply and i'm glad we are moving beyond the yen/dilithium exchange problems with adding more than the 500 fleet mine and 1000 veteren bonus. Thats why i think only fleet donation orienented solutions make sense. { don't forget the 7 unusable purple miners sto created, lets make them useful.]
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Unrefined contributions only after the Starbase's Dilitium Mine is upgraded to Tier 1. Let all the Doffs assigned there do the work. They have the equipment.
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  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Other than the grand total 15% discount and warpcores/eng consoles the mine is a total pos.

    I mean who has ever heard of spending enormous amounts of dilithium on a dilithium mine?

    Is it not supposed to be a source of dilithium or not, and than the dilithium you can actually mine from it is weak to say the least, good lord what are you trying to do save the dilithium from it for the next thousand+ years?

    I can understand the reasoning behind the dilithium hard cap as to create a balance for the zen exchange, as well as try to promote the continued purchase of dilithium with zen.

    I can even get the whole picture of fleet's are supposed to take time and lots of resources from lots of member's, but once a tier 3 mine is achieved the level of un-refined dilithium coming out of it is pure weaksauce.

    It should provide at least half of what a vip dilithium claim offers up once every 24hrs, otherwise it is pretty pointless to use the two means of getting dilithium from the mine.

    It also needs a rich vein for those who do have dilithium claims, because the regular mine sucks for dilithium as well unless you have claims to use.

    I mean really 300-500 dilithium from a standard mine run=extremely weak
    1000 from the fleet rich vein=very weak

    heck you get more than those combined at times from a single ESTF in the same amount of time or less, and can easily blow them away doing dyson battlefield runs.
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  • doffingcomradedoffingcomrade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I mean who has ever heard of spending enormous amounts of dilithium on a dilithium mine?
    Makes sense to me. How can your miners mine it if you don't put any there for them to mine? Thus, you have to spend dilithium to construct your dilithium mine, since otherwise there would not be any there for them to mine. It's like digging up buried treasure: If you don't bury any treasure first, how can you dig it up?
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Makes sense to me. How can your miners mine it if you don't put any there for them to mine?

    That has got to be one of the silliest rationales I heard here in a long time! LOL. It's like saying we need to furnish a coal mine with... coal, so the miners have something to work on. :P

    It's a Dilithium mine, not a processing station (like DS9 was under Cardie rule). Look outside; see the rocks? It's a mine field.., oh wait, no, that's another thing.
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  • doffingcomradedoffingcomrade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    It's only silly because you're thinking of it like a coal mine, where coal is a naturally occurring, preexisting substance. Dilithium isn't a thing. Think of it more like Tiberium.
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    It's only silly because you're thinking of it like a coal mine, where coal is a naturally occurring, preexisting substance. Dilithium isn't a thing. Think of it more like Tiberium.

    Quite obviously, Dilithium is mined from the rocks we see (and where you can actually go mine it yourself too). As far as we know, it's Unrefined Dilithium that comes from those rocks. What Unrefined Dilithium looks like exactly, I dunno; but it's definitely Dilithium.
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  • doffingcomradedoffingcomrade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    And yet we have to put it into the mines so that we can mine it. Clearly, the stuff is like Tiberium, where you have to seed it so you can mine it.
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  • robbie222222robbie222222 Member Posts: 120 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Other than the grand total 15% discount and warpcores/eng consoles the mine is a total pos.

    I mean who has ever heard of spending enormous amounts of dilithium on a dilithium mine?

    Is it not supposed to be a source of dilithium or not, and than the dilithium you can actually mine from it is weak to say the least, good lord what are you trying to do save the dilithium from it for the next thousand+ years?

    I can understand the reasoning behind the dilithium hard cap as to create a balance for the zen exchange, as well as try to promote the continued purchase of dilithium with zen.

    I can even get the whole picture of fleet's are supposed to take time and lots of resources from lots of member's, but once a tier 3 mine is achieved the level of un-refined dilithium coming out of it is pure weaksauce.

    It should provide at least half of what a vip dilithium claim offers up once every 24hrs, otherwise it is pretty pointless to use the two means of getting dilithium from the mine.

    It also needs a rich vein for those who do have dilithium claims, because the regular mine sucks for dilithium as well unless you have claims to use.

    I mean really 300-500 dilithium from a standard mine run=extremely weak
    1000 from the fleet rich vein=very weak

    heck you get more than those combined at times from a single ESTF in the same amount of time or less, and can easily blow them away doing dyson battlefield runs.
    the free 500 refined dilithium and the two doff missions ( using your purple 3 green trait miners, maintainence eng. etc. ) give you a 30 percent + critical chance. This gives you 179000 or 151000 ecs for one mission and 565 unrefined dilithium for the other , plus 25 or 35 fleet credits, 1920 0r 2505 trade xp and development xp for each. A good reason to visit your tier 3 fleet mine daily, since this take about three minutes to set up and no actual mining to do.
  • edgecrysgeredgecrysger Member Posts: 2,740 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    the free 500 refined dilithium and the two doff missions ( using your purple 3 green trait miners, maintainence eng. etc. ) give you a 30 percent + critical chance. This gives you 100000 +ecs and 500+ unrefined dilithium daily for each of your alts. A good reason to visit daily.

    100000 ec is nothing, trust me. Nothing. I waste more than 200k ec a day without doing basically nothing at all. When i want a critic in that mission is because the exp (to trade later for fleet marks) and the provisions, nothing more i dont care about the ec itself lol.

    And the 500 extra refined dilithium, is useful, but in the end, its not enough. U will never notice those extra refined 500. I dont, anyways. If someday cryptic wakes up and transform those 500 in 1000, that will be a different story. I always thought that one of the later projects in my fleet mine was a project like that, instead 500 extra refined or, 1000 for example.
  • edgecrysgeredgecrysger Member Posts: 2,740 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I mean really 300-500 dilithium from a standard mine run=extremely weak
    1000 from the fleet rich vein=very weak

    heck you get more than those combined at times from a single ESTF in the same amount of time or less, and can easily blow them away doing dyson battlefield runs.

    Its 1000 for standard mine run.

    5000 for a rich dilithium mine run.

    In the end is not about to gather enough dilithium to refine, in the end is to be saving as much refined dilithium as u can. Since there will be a point that you can gather more unrefined dilithium by far that the quantity you can refine.

    When you reach tier 3 in the dilithium mine, a new mission appear , similar to the mine diltihium standard one, but didnt try it yet (no need) but i guess its the same as the standard one.

    So, With a tier 3 dilithium mine you can mine 2000 + 5000 (if you have a rich dilitium claim). 2000 for 10-15 minutes is not bad.
  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Currently, Cryptic is focusing on monetizing everything in the game. Using unrefined dilithium would not make them money, on the opposite. How many people are using the dil/zen market to buy the dil needed for those sinks ?
    That's Cryptic's goldselling revenue there. Let the goldsellers trade EC, it's a useless resource, and more useless every passing day. Refined dilithium on the other hand...
    And yet we have to put it into the mines so that we can mine it. Clearly, the stuff is like Tiberium, where you have to seed it so you can mine it.
    According to memory alpha, citing many ST episodes, the Dilithium is not what you claim it to be. It's a very rare mineral. And like all the rare mineral, you have to mine it, not seed it.
    Quoting : "Dilithium could be found on only a few planets in the galaxy, and was therefore a rare and valuable substance."
    If it was seeded, it wouldn't be a problem. Seed any planet you want to, and suddenly, it's not as rare and valuable.
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  • robbie222222robbie222222 Member Posts: 120 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    its 1000 For Standard Mine Run.

    5000 For A Rich Dilithium Mine Run.

    In The End Is Not About To Gather Enough Dilithium To Refine, In The End Is To Be Saving As Much Refined Dilithium As U Can. Since There Will Be A Point That You Can Gather More Unrefined Dilithium By Far That The Quantity You Can Refine.

    When You Reach Tier 3 In The Dilithium Mine, A New Mission Appear , Similar To The Mine Diltihium Standard One, But Didnt Try It Yet (no Need) But I Guess Its The Same As The Standard One.

    So, With A Tier 3 Dilithium Mine You Can Mine 2000 + 5000 (if You Have A Rich Dilitium Claim). 2000 For 10-15 Minutes Is Not Bad.
    See Updated #17 for exact rewards and using unrefined dilithium is the point of this post ( see #1 )
  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Its 1000 for standard mine run.

    5000 for a rich dilithium mine run.

    In the end is not about to gather enough dilithium to refine, in the end is to be saving as much refined dilithium as u can. Since there will be a point that you can gather more unrefined dilithium by far that the quantity you can refine.

    When you reach tier 3 in the dilithium mine, a new mission appear , similar to the mine diltihium standard one, but didnt try it yet (no need) but i guess its the same as the standard one.

    So, With a tier 3 dilithium mine you can mine 2000 + 5000 (if you have a rich dilitium claim). 2000 for 10-15 minutes is not bad.

    you have a chance at more than 2k from an ESTF in 4-5 mins. (if your quick), and with a minimum of 940 for completion+500 from the rewarded marks that is why they are run all the time.

    Throw in 11 BNP's and viola an extra 2k right there alone, that's why mine runs are pretty much weaksauce if all you are after is dilithium (unless you have a rich vein claim).
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