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Inspirational Leader Trait: Worth It?

rck01rck01 Member Posts: 808 Arc User
edited December 2014 in Builds, Powers, and Game Mechanics
I'm grinding towards pulling the trigger on a trait respec and adding Inspirational Leader via a resequencer from the Exchange. However, it's a major investment - ~50m ec - and I want to make sure it's worth the outlay.

I've read the in-game text and have a reasonable handle on what it does/how it works. However, I'd feel better after hearing from others who have added this trait.

Has it made a measurable difference in your gameplay? Any PvP'ers out there who went for IL and found it helped them in combat/matches?

And finally, which trait would you swap-out in favor of IL given the following list of my current traits:

Crippling Fire
Helmsman
Warp Theorist
Last Ditch Effort
Accurate
Elusive
Astrophysicist
Techie

Advice/feedback greatly appreciated! :)

RCK
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    artemisa0kartemisa0k Member Posts: 142 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    I haven't actually used it although I can see it being fairly useful.

    One thing I have heard tho is supposedly the bonus when it proc's will also add points into threat control skill so if you can't survive the aggro this may cause it could be problematic.
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    meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Tl;dr: yes.

    Longer: incredibly good trait. And procs quite often too.
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    lucho80lucho80 Member Posts: 6,600 Bug Hunter
    edited February 2014
    I don't use an a2b build, but with all the boff skills they throw around, I can imagine it says proced probably very often at least with 2 stacked, because my tac captain who just uses TT+CRF+APO gets 2 of these stacked fairly regularly. On other builds, it procs just enough. It's like having an operational asset on most of the time.

    By the way, get it while you can, I can only see the price climbing more.
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    virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    artemisa0k wrote: »
    I haven't actually used it although I can see it being fairly useful.

    One thing I have heard tho is supposedly the bonus when it proc's will also add points into threat control skill so if you can't survive the aggro this may cause it could be problematic.

    It's like getting 35x +30 consoles when it 3-stacks. It's like adding 35 universal console slots so you can slot 35x VR Mk XII skill consoles.

    With the +30 Weapon Training and +30 Energy/Projectile Weapons giving +60 skill, which in turn converts to +30% base damage - it's like adding an additional VR Mk XII Tac Console for any weapon you've got. The +30 Weapon Specialization means an additional +0.6% CrtH and +7.57% CrtD. With +30 Targeting, it's an additional +4.54% Bonus Accuracy which can feed Accuracy Overflow for even more CrtH/CrtD.

    What this can do...yeah...if your stars align...woot - woot, eh?
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    Tl;dr: yes.

    Longer: incredibly good trait. And procs quite often too.

    The more you're doing stuff, the higher the probability of it triggering and stacking. Hard not to call it the AtB Trait...lol.

    But yeah, in the end...it's kind of expensive and outside of needing it for one of two reasons...well...yeah...
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    lucho80lucho80 Member Posts: 6,600 Bug Hunter
    edited February 2014
    virusdancer wrote: »
    It's like getting 35x +30 consoles when it 3-stacks.

    The more you're doing stuff, the higher the probability of it triggering and stacking. Hard not to call it the AtB Trait...lol.

    But yeah, in the end...it's kind of expensive and outside of needing it for one of two reasons...well...yeah...

    And here is the answer as to why it got so expensive. I got mine at 11-16mil. Very glad I got them.
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    woodwhitywoodwhity Member Posts: 2,636 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Its worth it. I would dismiss either Warp Theorist or Astrophysicist for it.
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    lucho80lucho80 Member Posts: 6,600 Bug Hunter
    edited February 2014
    woodwhity wrote: »
    Its worth it. I would dismiss either Warp Theorist or Astrophysicist for it.

    I would toss Warp Theorist first, but that is only because I must have all flow caps.
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    rck01rck01 Member Posts: 808 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Looks like a universal vote of "yes" on the IL purchase. :)

    I'll likely dump astrophysicist in favor of IL once I have the resequencer.

    Thanks, everyone, for your input. And just to make everyone jealous, I found my Helmsman resquencer on the Exchange for, get this....

    ...350K!

    I'm guessing somebody forgot a few zeros when putting up their item for sale. :)

    RCK
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    torgaddon101torgaddon101 Member Posts: 600 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    yes

    costa alot

    but worth it
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    lucho80lucho80 Member Posts: 6,600 Bug Hunter
    edited March 2014
    Yeah, Helmsman is nice one, but I don't use it on my drain boat although it could benefit a bit from it.
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    frtoasterfrtoaster Member Posts: 3,352 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I don't know whether it's worth it or not, but the price is somewhat high right now. About two weeks ago, it was going for around 30 to 40 million EC, and it was stable at that price for a long time before jumping to 40+ million EC. I sold half my boxes at the 30-to-40 million range. In retrospect, I should have held for longer.
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    lucho80lucho80 Member Posts: 6,600 Bug Hunter
    edited March 2014
    frtoaster wrote: »
    I don't know whether it's worth it or not, but the price is somewhat high right now. About two weeks ago, it was going for around 30 to 40 million EC, and it was stable at that price for a long time before jumping to 40+ million EC. I sold half my boxes at the 30-to-40 million range. In retrospect, I should have held for longer.

    Frankly, for a trait that makes a2b even more ridiculous than it already is, I'm surprised people were selling them at those prices when people are so desperate for that extra edge.
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    frtoasterfrtoaster Member Posts: 3,352 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    lucho80 wrote: »
    Frankly, for a trait that makes a2b even more ridiculous than it already is, I'm surprised people were selling them at those prices when people are so desperate for that extra edge.

    Well, I bought them when the Elachi lockboxes were still dropping. The price didn't change for a long time, so I grew impatient. Then, after I sold half of mine, the price suddenly increased.
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    rck01rck01 Member Posts: 808 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Well, Karma really is a b#$ch! Went to bed last night just shy of 50m ec and with some nice items for sale. Woke up this morning with over 51m ec and went to go buy my sequencer only to discover that the price has now jumped to 75m.

    Just friggin' ridiculous...think I'll pass on this trait as a public service. I can already kill 90%+ of you all in 1v1 combat. No sense in making myself *too* OP... :)

    Note: If anyone has one lying around, I've got 51m ec burning a hole in my pocket. @rck01 in game...

    RCK
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    virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    rck01 wrote: »
    Well, Karma really is a b#$ch! Went to bed last night just shy of 50m ec and with some nice items for sale. Woke up this morning with over 51m ec and went to go buy my sequencer only to discover that the price has now jumped to 75m.

    Just friggin' ridiculous...think I'll pass on this trait as a public service. I can already kill 90%+ of you all in 1v1 combat. No sense in making myself *too* OP... :)

    Note: If anyone has one lying around, I've got 51m ec burning a hole in my pocket. @rck01 in game...

    RCK

    Folks read the forums. Information drives prices up. I've stupidly mentioned things in the past where I enjoyed something on one toon only to have the price skyrocket before I could purchase it for any other toons...meh.
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    rck01rck01 Member Posts: 808 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    virusdancer wrote: »
    Folks read the forums. Information drives prices up. I've stupidly mentioned things in the past where I enjoyed something on one toon only to have the price skyrocket before I could purchase it for any other toons...meh.

    Yeah, I figured that my have factored into the sudden jump. Too bad for the seller - they just lost an easy sale. Not sure how many will be willing to put up 50% more for the same item. Heck, you can almost buy yourself a nice lock box ship for those prices...just 110m for a JH HEC (oops, there I go again). :)

    Edit: Now the IL resequencer is up to 125m! Officially more expensive than a lock box ship! Just crazy... O.o

    RCK
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    cerealplayercerealplayer Member Posts: 214 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    It's called price manipulation. Someone with lots of isk sees a post on the forums stating something to be OP, good, or simply valuable, and buys the supply up, to sell at inflated prices. Or, more insidious yet, buys up all the supply first, then makes the post himself to drive up demand. For all we know you're the evil manipulator RCK.

    Anyway, it is a good trait. It's not worth that price though. It's usual price is 30-35M. I have it all on my toons. A couple weeks ago I bought it for my last missing toon. Someone tried selling it to me for 50M. Apperently, at that exact moment, that was the actual lowest price on exchange. Anyway, I told him lol no, waited less than a week, and picked it up for 30M.
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    scurry5scurry5 Member Posts: 1,554 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    rck01 wrote: »
    Yeah, I figured that my have factored into the sudden jump. Too bad for the seller - they just lost an easy sale. Not sure how many will be willing to put up 50% more for the same item. Heck, you can almost buy yourself a nice lock box ship for those prices...just 110m for a JH HEC (oops, there I go again). :)

    Edit: Now the IL resequencer is up to 125m! Officially more expensive than a lock box ship! Just crazy... O.o

    RCK

    The heck? I got a lucky one out of a box back when it was 30+ mil. Decided to unpack it. Now it's 125m?! It's completely out of whack. Oh well. Usually, when there's a sudden jump like this, prices will come back down again soon enough.
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    meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    scurry5 wrote: »
    The heck? I got a lucky one out of a box back when it was 30+ mil. Decided to unpack it. Now it's 125m?! It's completely out of whack. Oh well. Usually, when there's a sudden jump like this, prices will come back down again soon enough.

    LOL. I paid 13mil for it, shortly after it first came out. Still not cheap, but doable at least.
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    spaceeagle20spaceeagle20 Member Posts: 971 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    rck01 wrote: »
    Looks like a universal vote of "yes" on the IL purchase. :)

    I'll likely dump astrophysicist in favor of IL once I have the resequencer.

    Thanks, everyone, for your input. And just to make everyone jealous, I found my Helmsman resquencer on the Exchange for, get this....

    ...350K!

    I'm guessing somebody forgot a few zeros when putting up their item for sale. :)

    RCK

    You lucky TRIBBLE ;-)
    I don't have both yet ... don't know if I'll get the Helmsman although that EM cooldown reduction is tempting but I'll get IL for sure
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    rck01rck01 Member Posts: 808 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    So, now that I've got 50m+ EC laying around, what to buy?

    Should I upgrade my beam arrays? Currently using Fleet versions (Accx2/Dmgx2).

    For PvP, would I be better of with some more CrtH (currently at 19.xx% unbuffed)?

    Perhaps CrtHx3?

    Or is Acc more important? I don't miss very much right now, so...

    CritD? Currently at just over 100%. Boost it?

    Is there a reasonably priced lock box ship I can grind for that would make a decent upgrade for my "beamscort" play style?

    Note: Currently flying a Fleet Patrol Escort - love it, but not married to it. :)

    RCK
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    scurry5scurry5 Member Posts: 1,554 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    You could look at the Hirogen escort - IIRC, they're priced at 65 mil or so atm, and it can be set up similar to your escort, but with an Lt Comm Tac swapped for an Eng. Hull and mobility seem like straightforward upgrades, and the console that comes with it is somewhat nifty.
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    rck01rck01 Member Posts: 808 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    scurry5 wrote: »
    You could look at the Hirogen escort - IIRC, they're priced at 65 mil or so atm, and it can be set up similar to your escort, but with an Lt Comm Tac swapped for an Eng. Hull and mobility seem like straightforward upgrades, and the console that comes with it is somewhat nifty.

    Hmmm...I'll take a look. But for now I went in a different direction and picked up a bunch of Accx3 Polaron Beams - cheap on the Exchange (5-6m) and should help my PvP game more than any of the other options I'd been considering, including IL to be honest.

    BTW, can anyone explain to me how Acc overflow works? VD?

    RCK
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    rmy1081rmy1081 Member Posts: 2,840 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    rck01 wrote: »

    BTW, can anyone explain to me how Acc overflow works? VD?

    I know I'm not virus but, last thing the devs said about Acc overflow is it's not working correctly and may be taken out of the game. Since you seem to have a lot of money or are a crazy good farmer, I would keep the [acc]x3 weapons (to fight speed tankers) and also buy a set of [acc]x2 [CrtD] beams, because really, with the loadout feature it's easy to change things out now.
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    ussboleynussboleyn Member Posts: 598 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Hirogen escort isn't much over 50mil and would make a better platform for your beamscort
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    marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    rck01 wrote: »
    So, now that I've got 50m+ EC laying around, what to buy?

    Should I upgrade my beam arrays? Currently using Fleet versions (Accx2/Dmgx2).

    For PvP, would I be better of with some more CrtH (currently at 19.xx% unbuffed)?

    Perhaps CrtHx3?

    Or is Acc more important? I don't miss very much right now, so...

    CritD? Currently at just over 100%. Boost it?

    Is there a reasonably priced lock box ship I can grind for that would make a decent upgrade for my "beamscort" play style?

    Note: Currently flying a Fleet Patrol Escort - love it, but not married to it. :)

    RCK

    I saw only 2 or 3 for sale over 100 mil last I checked a few hours ago, I wouldn't pay that much for a trait, might be better to just open lockboxes and try to get it yourself and sell the other prizes to get money back.

    As others said Acc overflow doesn't work very good, seems pretty weak. Often I do use CrtHx3 in PVE, and sometimes PVP, it misses a little more but makes your attacks more bursty so harder to react to I think. Also If you are firing at targets with low defense bonus either from crowd control or them just moving slow in a big ship you wont miss much anyway.

    There are currently 2 lockbox escorts in the 50 mil range, Elachi and Hirogen, maybe you would like one of those
    Tala -KDF Tac- House of Beautiful Orions
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    virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    rck01 wrote: »
    BTW, can anyone explain to me how Acc overflow works? VD?

    RCK

    BRJ can!

    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=218273
    Archived Post wrote: »
    On the flip-side, assume that you still have no inherent Accuracy modifiers, but your target is stopped (and taking a -15% Defense penalty, or -.15), plugging in 1.00 into the Accuracy box, and .85 into the Defense box, you get 0.15 as your Diff score. Since this is positive, you would look in the If Diff Positive box, and get "1.13..." as your result... Meaning you have 'Accuracy Overflow'... You have 100% chance to-hit your target, and, if you look in the lower-right hand portion of the spreadsheet, you can look on the Accuracy Overflow table, and look at the entry for 0.1 (since your overflow is 0.13-ish)... You would gain a little more than 1.25% Critical Chance, and a little more than 5% Critical Severity.


    Hope that helps clear up some confusion, and, if you have any questions, I will do my best to answer them here,
    -Big Red

    But keep in mind Torp Spread and Fire At Will (and the like) with regard to...
    adjudicatorhawk wrote: »
    Yes, we're looking into it. Accuracy Overflow won't currently work for any power that "ignores accuracy" - powers that have any autohit stage.

    Acc Overflow is a really arcane mechanic that doesn't message well at all. Fixing it will be a widespread change to the mechanic as a whole, not just a change to a flag on Fire at Will. It will take a little while, but it's in the pipeline to be adjusted to work.
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    bpharmabpharma Member Posts: 2,022
    edited March 2014
    Just so you know certain items have been almost exclusively under the control of one person for quite some time.

    Know the right people though and you can get a good deal on anything.
    It is through repetition that we learn our weakness.
    A master with a stone is better than a novice with a sword.
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    ehrlehnehrlehn Member Posts: 137 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    hmmm, i would have to second the hirogen escort, it would be a beastly beamscort. more hull, more turn rate, and slightly better shield mod than the FPE. and you could set up like this for a wickedly mobile and durable platform:

    tt1, faw2, apo1, apo3
    tt1, faw2

    eptw1, a2d1, a2d2
    epts1

    he1, tss2

    Doffs: 3x DCE, 1x m/am, 1x WCE, 1x zemok

    with leech to boost everything. that ship will be slippery, durable, and loaded with power.

    set your lt tac up with beta2 and beta3 for a quick swap with your com tac and it will be a PVE beast as well.
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    rck01rck01 Member Posts: 808 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Thanks for all the feedback everyone! Ended up spreading the money around...the new Accx3 weapons, a new AMS doff, etc.

    Now working on a hybrid A2B/A2D cruiser build that looks promising:

    1. A2B "surge" for high overcap (188-213, depending on WCE proc)
    2. A2D "tankiness" for when A2B is on CD - speed, turn, resist from via AMS doff
    3. 3x subsystems into AMP with A2B, and 4x when A2B is on CD and Aux sloshes back
    4. Ability to use HE effectively again - no more "turtling" with RSP and ET while praying to heal

    Now, what to do with my Ens. Engineering slot now that ET is no longer required? Here's the new build page:

    http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=rcktacfahcrevz5_0

    BTW, thanks to Iskandus for the inspiration for this build... :)

    RCK
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