So what you're saying is you'd like to see things like saucer separation consoles and antimatter spread consoles turned into devices like red matter capacitor? Sure. I don't use batteries, and currently only 2 devices. I'd love to be able to move saucer rep and antimatter spread over to the device slots and use 2 more eng consoles. I think you'd better stop and really think about what you're asking for. Imagine players being able to use their device slogs for things like point defense phaser turret, point defense photon torpedo turret, spacial charges, and nadeon detonator all for free. Now they can max out their ship with powerful eng, sci, and tac consoles, and still get their universal consoles. I think this is a bad idea all around.
It really doesn't make sense for powers that can't be equipped to other ships to be a console. As you said, the whole point of a console should be that it can go on another ship. So things like the ody consoles should be built in. If they switch over to the device category, along with other *clicky* console powers, they'd still be competing for what other special things your ship could do, but wouldn't be competing for passive stats on your ship.
Odyssey is a bad example. They want to sell you a 3 pack with one of each type of console, so you'll move them all to one ship for the 3 piece bonus.
Ditto for any other 3 variant bundle.
Devices aren't in "sets" and some players said awhile back that they wanted sets. Cryptic is delivering sets... at a price.
I'm not a big fan of restricted consoles either, but I don't think they're going away. They're not going to apply a hard and fast rule about it, they're going to do whatever they think is right for each new ship... including whatever drives sales.
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:Cough: In before cloak becomes a new slot with different types of cloaks (see: warp cores, secondary deflectors)
Now that would be dangerous right there. With cloaks it's only about quality to a certain point.
All we really have is normal cloak, better cloak, Scimitar Super Cloak, and the Cloaking Holy Grail the epitome of OP, the I win button, the Phase Cloak.
I would like for them to change the cloak, and saucer separation features from being tied to a console, to a ship feature, like on the Romulan and KDF ships. If you buy the C-Store Defiant with the cloak, for example, then it will unlock the cloaking ability on all of the Defiants.
The same goes for the saucer separations, and the MVAM ships. All you need to do is buy the ship that has the cloaking ability, and it unlocks that feature on all of the ships able to use it. This will eliminate the pointless consoles.
You don't need to transfer a cloak from one Rommie, or KDF ship to another, because they are a feature of their ships. If you want to se them, you can. If not, then you just don't.
I feel this will make more sinse.
Precisely. This first.
For the three pack ships with sets, purchasing the individual ship should unlock the feature on all the ships. That would preserve the value of selling the bundle as you would still need to acquire the bundle to get all the features. That's essentially what it is. But Saucer Separation, Cloak, launching an escort or Bird of Prey that is physically docked with your ship being reduced to a console doesn't really make sense. With the escort and bird at least if you don't have it unlocked it should be physically not on the model.
There are three Federation Ships that can utilize the Cloaking Device, Defiant, Avenger, and the G-X/V-X. If you buy one of the one's with the Cloak the cloaking feature should be unlocked on all ships of those classes on the account, It's the exact same effect, you just wouldn't be using a console slot on an ability that has no rational reason to be a console. The same with the G-R and the Saucer Separation.
On a side note, clearly never going to happen, but worth mentioning....the Defiant's Cloaking Device is Romulan in origin. Isn't it therefore logical that the Defiant should in fact get a Romulan Battle Cloak? The Defiant was shown cloaking under fire.
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So what you're saying is you'd like to see things like saucer separation consoles and antimatter spread consoles turned into devices like red matter capacitor? Sure. I don't use batteries, and currently only 2 devices. I'd love to be able to move saucer rep and antimatter spread over to the device slots and use 2 more eng consoles. I think you'd better stop and really think about what you're asking for. Imagine players being able to use their device slogs for things like point defense phaser turret, point defense photon torpedo turret, spacial charges, and nadeon detonator all for free. Now they can max out their ship with powerful eng, sci, and tac consoles, and still get their universal consoles. I think this is a bad idea all around.
Yes... the armitage could do that, and so could every other ship load up on four special devices without eating in to their passive consoles so... it's not like the armitage alone would suddenly have this ability and no other ship.
Odyssey is a bad example. They want to sell you a 3 pack with one of each type of console, so you'll move them all to one ship for the 3 piece bonus.
Ditto for any other 3 variant bundle.
Devices aren't in "sets" and some players said awhile back that they wanted sets. Cryptic is delivering sets... at a price.
I'm not a big fan of restricted consoles either, but I don't think they're going away. They're not going to apply a hard and fast rule about it, they're going to do whatever they think is right for each new ship... including whatever drives sales.
If the ody's a bad example, how about the armitage, or the defiant, or the prometheus, or the nebula, or a bunch of other ships I'm sure I'm forgetting? :P And like I said, regardless of if it's a TRIBBLE set from the ody or some other special clicky power, it sure would be nice to be able to kick those over into devices instead of taking up precious console space.
An ody that equips its three piece set is going to sacrifice something, typically damage or tanking ability. The damage lost and the tanking lost from these consoles would not be made up for by the powers the ody gains, so these ships are given, from the start, a disadvantage if they want to use their special powers. Less so before fleet ships came out, but even then. And there is no way, evar, that these special powers would be OP without the ship having to give up consoles in exchange. It's especially sad that the ody didn't get to separate saucer AND launch the acquarius simply to not step on the MVAM's toes. At least that's the only remotely logical reason I could come up with as to why an ody can't launch both. But enough of my ody rant -.- lol.
Point is, if every ship got 4 device slots, ody and vesta and kumari, and other similar three piece ships would still be sacrificing the ability to use other devices to use their special powers, so it wouldn't really be much of a difference than we currently have, except there'd be more, actually useful devices, rather than the couple we have now and a smattering of batteries. Bleh... batteries -.-
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Odyssey is a bad example. They want to sell you a 3 pack with one of each type of console, so you'll move them all to one ship for the 3 piece bonus.
Ditto for any other 3 variant bundle.
Devices aren't in "sets" and some players said awhile back that they wanted sets. Cryptic is delivering sets... at a price.
I'm not a big fan of restricted consoles either, but I don't think they're going away. They're not going to apply a hard and fast rule about it, they're going to do whatever they think is right for each new ship... including whatever drives sales.
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I was thinking this last night. To me on the Fed. side it should be a device. It would so follow the TOS episode where they sleal it from the roms.
Now that would be dangerous right there. With cloaks it's only about quality to a certain point.
All we really have is normal cloak, better cloak, Scimitar Super Cloak, and the Cloaking Holy Grail the epitome of OP, the I win button, the Phase Cloak.
Precisely. This first.
For the three pack ships with sets, purchasing the individual ship should unlock the feature on all the ships. That would preserve the value of selling the bundle as you would still need to acquire the bundle to get all the features. That's essentially what it is. But Saucer Separation, Cloak, launching an escort or Bird of Prey that is physically docked with your ship being reduced to a console doesn't really make sense. With the escort and bird at least if you don't have it unlocked it should be physically not on the model.
There are three Federation Ships that can utilize the Cloaking Device, Defiant, Avenger, and the G-X/V-X. If you buy one of the one's with the Cloak the cloaking feature should be unlocked on all ships of those classes on the account, It's the exact same effect, you just wouldn't be using a console slot on an ability that has no rational reason to be a console. The same with the G-R and the Saucer Separation.
On a side note, clearly never going to happen, but worth mentioning....the Defiant's Cloaking Device is Romulan in origin. Isn't it therefore logical that the Defiant should in fact get a Romulan Battle Cloak? The Defiant was shown cloaking under fire.
Yes... the armitage could do that, and so could every other ship load up on four special devices without eating in to their passive consoles so... it's not like the armitage alone would suddenly have this ability and no other ship.
If the ody's a bad example, how about the armitage, or the defiant, or the prometheus, or the nebula, or a bunch of other ships I'm sure I'm forgetting? :P And like I said, regardless of if it's a TRIBBLE set from the ody or some other special clicky power, it sure would be nice to be able to kick those over into devices instead of taking up precious console space.
An ody that equips its three piece set is going to sacrifice something, typically damage or tanking ability. The damage lost and the tanking lost from these consoles would not be made up for by the powers the ody gains, so these ships are given, from the start, a disadvantage if they want to use their special powers. Less so before fleet ships came out, but even then. And there is no way, evar, that these special powers would be OP without the ship having to give up consoles in exchange. It's especially sad that the ody didn't get to separate saucer AND launch the acquarius simply to not step on the MVAM's toes. At least that's the only remotely logical reason I could come up with as to why an ody can't launch both. But enough of my ody rant -.- lol.
Point is, if every ship got 4 device slots, ody and vesta and kumari, and other similar three piece ships would still be sacrificing the ability to use other devices to use their special powers, so it wouldn't really be much of a difference than we currently have, except there'd be more, actually useful devices, rather than the couple we have now and a smattering of batteries. Bleh... batteries -.-