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Why does Solanae ship suck so?!
meimeitoo
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No, seriously, why does it? I unpacked it yesterday, fitted it, and went to Contested Sphere; boom! got killed within 10 seconds?! Wut!? Okay, let's try that again; 30 seconds, this time. And I use almost identical defense as on most of my ships. For comparison, my Mobius can withstand an incredible amount of pounding (and has Borg space set). But Solanae ship, it seems to be made of thin paper.
Maybe if I load it up with Neutroniums or some such, it will get a bit sturdier; but so far I'm quite disappointed.
Maybe if I load it up with Neutroniums or some such, it will get a bit sturdier; but so far I'm quite disappointed.
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Once a borg set/elite shield or full dyson set is on her, she is going to be very strong, not to mention once the full C-store variants are purchased/obtained I am expecting the tiny hull issue to resolve. Currently running 41k hull actual on the freebie. With the C-store upgrade it should run around 46-47ish, well within "tanky escort" territory.
I forsee several possible builds that are going to be very viable. Romulan decloak proton vaper, federation/KDF/Romulan science harassment/spammer, federation offhealer/science magic, and some others.
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Yeah, I forgot to mention, this was the free ship.
And I think you're right: I should just slap a trusted space set on it, and will probably do better with it, cuz the set that's on it, honestly, it's not on par with the usual high-end gear I fit.
Course it is worth reminding you it is a science ship, you need to play to its strengths and that is higher shield mod but lower hull. Resilient shields help with the shield bypass stuff and other sets that give silly levels of regen can be very valuable too for hoping in and out of fights.
Using the adapted maco shield you're jaw will drop when you compare how much shielding you have vs your other ships if you've never flown a science ship.
P.S. You might also be taking more fire due to things (other than you :P) not going boom faster.
It is through repetition that we learn our weakness.
A master with a stone is better than a novice with a sword.
Has damage got out of control?
This is the last thing I will post.
That said though, I haven't died yet in the DSD, except that one time I was flying without due care and attention (damn game being too easy lol) I do find the shields aren't quite as tough as those of my Nova, though that could be because it only has one TSS vs the Nova's two. On an offensive level though, I'm still debating, though I haven't run a parser on the Nova for months, I also haven't done much parsing on the DSD but I think the DSD would win out on that one.
I wouldn't say it sucks though, just needs some adjustments.
EDIT: Having taken it into starbase 24 as a defensive stress test having just got out of Breach elite I can't fault it's shields, I'd just like more mobility and maybe some more hull resists.
I can't say I blame you, I still use the Nova as it is my pvp ship lol but when I'm in the mood the DSD is a fairly capable ship with it's sets.
HMM, on the Fed side there are already so many "shades of science" that this newest one is pretty redundant so TBH I'm not surprised you found/have something better to fly there.:)
I looked at the stats, looked at my Fleet Olympic and decided..."nah I already have my ship".
This is actually a pretty good point. I have 14 characters, 5 fed, 3 rom, 6 kdf, and ended up getting the free version on just one fed sci, 2 Romulans (tac/sci) and 3 KDF captains (1x tac/2xsci).
Don't see the fed using this one over the Vesta, Fleet Nebula and FAE I currently have him switching between. The Romulans I don't play that much, but it's a decent alternative to the free sci ship, though under heavy comeptition from my fleet Dhelan.
My KDF sci's, though, I can see these using it. Not because I like the way it looks, compared to the other Klingon ships, but because they are currently stuck in the same (very vulnerable) BoP's or (exceedingly whale-like) Voquv's. Or, in one case, in a mirror Qin, which makes a very poor science ship, tbh.
"My free RA ship is not as good as my Lobi ship, when the current hierarchy of ships is Lobi > Lockbox > Fleet > 2500 Zen 10 Console > 2500 Zen 9 Console > 2000 Zen 9 Console > free RA ships...man, this ship sucks!"
I mean...really?
The free RA DSDs are not equivalent to things like the Chel Gret, Risian, Plesh Brek...which are along the lines of Lockbox ships. It's just a free RA boat...and it's going to compare to other ships like one.
I think you need to look at the bigger picture. Of course it's a free RA ship; and it's lacking a 10th console. But for a try-out, as a (possible) stepping stone towards the C-Store bundle, I found it to be lacking.
And yes, I should probably put regular high-end gear on it. But (and here's where the bigger picture comes in) what's the point of grinding for a 4-piece space set, when said set is, effectively, unusable for end game? And maybe I'm doing it all wrong, but that space set isn't really doing it for me. So, in the end, I'll be tossing both the free ship and the entire 4-piece set. And usually when I need to do that, 'suck' is a term that easily leaps to mind.
So, I'm gonna sit back and wait a bit until reports of the C-Store versions' performance roll in, ere I blindly buy this bundle (which I originally intended to do).
Now with the 'free' Dyson Destroyer, I've found that I've been getting more 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place finishes in SB24, Gorn Minefield and CE events then with the Galor I was previously using. (My Main is a Engineer) Though you have to have the correct equipment, as well as a properly trained Bridge Crew to bring out the best of the ship...
(Hint, a Grav Well 3, followed by a switch to tac mode, for Grav Photon Torp Spread 3 and Cannon Scatter Volley 3, does wonders for a angry mob...)
Just got the C-Store version yesterday, and busy finding the best uses for it... But so far, the C-Store version is only 'slightly' better then the free ship...
Seriously though, it happens every time they introduce a new free ship. Remember all those cow skulls cluttering up sector space (Obelisk Carrier)? I sure do, and I recall thinking the same thing then as I do now, fotm ship destined for digital oblivion.
First there are posts about how awesome the ship is. Then posts like yours which ask "what am I doing wrong?" or "what am I supposed to do with this junkwagon?". Then posts about how to make the subpar ship work. Then finally people give up, after they [hopefully] throw money at the company simply because it's new.
I was in Kerrat the other day. Someone who pretty much kills me every time in their JHAS loaded up an Aves with all that top end gear and took it for a spin. The Aves crumpled in a matter of seconds to virtually every build in the instance. That player left, came back in their JHAS and said he decommissioned the ship within 30 min of having it.
Granted, it wasn't an optimized build for the Aves. However, the claim that putting good gear on this ship and being a good pilot will make up for its inherent deficiencies is pure fantasy.
But like every other ship, this ship can do PvE content, it's probably just not the best option.
Really though, the ship is fine, people just haven't figured out the best ways to use it yet. Give it time. I still see people insta-popping in Vestas and Scimitars during their 'shakedown cruise'.
It may just be my dirty mind but you may want to rephrase this
To be honest I think the whole 4 piece set thing was a steaming pile of...yeah. Really doesn't instil confidence in staying with the game nor did it make me feel valued as a customer.
It is through repetition that we learn our weakness.
A master with a stone is better than a novice with a sword.
Has damage got out of control?
This is the last thing I will post.
Never said it should be competitive with top of the line rep gear. However for the 4 piece set you have to have done the 4th Anniversary event grind, however I dare say people who buy the c-store version will probably be able to claim the warp/singularity core from the dilithium store or something. However that is unconfirmed.
It wasn't the quality of the items I'm bugged about, it was what getting the items represented. It's the change in the winds or the tide which instead of making you feel confident about sailing off make you want to head straight for land.
It is through repetition that we learn our weakness.
A master with a stone is better than a novice with a sword.
Has damage got out of control?
This is the last thing I will post.
They confirmed that the Zen boats will come with a Standard Secondary Deflector and there's no mention of any access to it via another means...the same goes for the Cores.
Both of these items were mentioned in an earlier blog (believe it was #45) as being rewards for doing the event. So no event - no reward...neither of the 4pc bonuses.
Whether they turn around and make those three pieces available through some other means (Secondary Deflector/Warp Core/Singularity Core)...well, that remains to be seen. Everything they've said so far...says it ain't happening.
They were pretty upfront about it too, the two 4pc bonuses that is, so nobody should be surprised or complain if they can't pick it up because they didn't do the event...outside of the typical couldn't do the event complaints that happen with every event.
edit: Heh, speak of the devil...after posting what I did here, I saw this from Smirk...
So yep, you could get it for free or you could pay 600 Lobi for it...to get the two four piece bonuses. I'm glad I just spent 2-3 minutes a day on it.
I don't get folks having issues with this ship in the VAZ...it felt pretty damn OP there. It was kind of awesome for my not really paying attention flying around in circles until stuff dies playstyle.
As for the 4pc set, grind for it? It's running the mission three times and chasing q's for 2-3 minutes a day for 15 days. That's not much of a grind. To get the Breen 3pc, you have to run 3 missions - same with the Jem 3pc. It's that kind of gear, so it's that quality and that ease of a grind.
Consider the grind for getting STF or Fleet gear, eh? How many times did you have to do something over and over and over and over to get the various Marks and Dil et al for that?
Why on Earth would something so easy to get compare to STF or Fleet gear?
It's a nifty set to run if your toon doesn't have STF or Fleet gear yet. Heck, in some cases (there's no PvE content that requires more) it's fine all by itself...
It has just been announced that the anniversary ship is available until 13-3 if you still need qmendations and are willing to spend lobi on it.
Now after purchasing the C-Store bundle, and deleting the original 'freebie' Dyson Destroyer, I can confirm YOU LOSE THE ABILITY TO RECLAIM the Warp Core and Secondary Deflector...
(However, I always carefully strip my ships clean before deleting, so no loss here... And having duplicate 'unique' equipment is almost pointless now with Ship Loadouts...)
I've also confirmed it is possible to reclaim duplicate Warp Cores and Secondary Deflector with the 'freebie' Dyson Destroyer in inventory with the C-Store bundle on another character, so the loss of this ability is directly linked to the deletion of the original Dyson Destroyer...
Sure it's never going to be able to solo tac cube or other boss ships but I find with the use of science skills like grav well plus the grav torps it can wipe out entire squadrons of small-medium sized enemy ships in seconds
Excellent for crowd control and allowing the heavy hitters in the team to deal with the bigger targets without getting distracted by smaller stuff.
I'm enjoying using a combination of science skills and tac skills to both increase my damage output and also aid others team members when required.
And i've pug'd some eSTFs and seem Schimitars getting swatted like flies whilst i can get out of danger with the help of healing abilities and the metaphasic shield.
The main reason i'll be getting one of the C-store versions is just to get a 10th console slot to allow me to slot an extra fleet neutronium alloy or the like to make it a bit tougher. I've already got the current ship to 43K plus hull HPs.
This is with using the 4pc Solanae set, although I may change this in the future and once we see some alternative secondary deflectors come out there'll be more options.
At the end of the day it won't cost me any real cash as i'll earn the dil in game and convert to zen. And making dil in game is so easy now it really takes very little effort to be able to afford a c-store ship now by converting to zen. It just takes time to convert ore to dil.
I beg to differ, it is quite capable of this.
It is through repetition that we learn our weakness.
A master with a stone is better than a novice with a sword.
Has damage got out of control?
This is the last thing I will post.
Hey, it's 300 Lobi per piece...4th pieces to two sets!
Only 100 Lobi more than some of the other pieces out there. I mean, c'mon...that TAM console from the Hirogen set?
And this has been my point all along (and one which you kindly helped underlining): that the entire presentation of the 4-piece set has been done to make this set look like the best thing next to sliced bread! Whereas, in reality, at best it's okay for someone not having any good gear yet.
And to the sarcastic commentors out here (not you, of course, *g*), this is not a matter of 'My free RA ship sucks compared to my Lobi ship!' More like seeing an incredible hype for a ship, and it's 4-piece set, with 10,000 Zen pack offerings and all, and then coming to realize I need to ditch said 4-piece set to begin with to make it half-way viable, or simply accept that "it's never going to be able to solo tac cube or other boss ships."
The onus is on Cryptic to convince me to spend 5,000 Zen on it. So far, they haven't yet.
It's not sarcasm. There are folks that are absolutely rocking with the ship. You can solo a Tac Cube in a Hegh'ta, you sure as Hell can solo one with any of the DSDs.