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B:O, B:FAW, C:SV, C:RF, T:HY, T:S -> "Kill All" and "Kill That".
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After posting about this in another thread it seemed prudent to dump it in here as well with some expounding upon:
B:O, B:FAW, C:SV, C:RF, T:HY, T:S -> "Kill All" and "Kill That".
We don't really need six powers to service energy and torpedo weapons. We could even dump mines in here but I figured that tacking those onto Attack Patterns would be more amusing.
Either way, why keep this archaic six power system when two powers are more than adequate?
"Kill all" and "Kill that". They were previously named something more in-game conventional before coming back into mention today with "[Fire everything at everything...]" and "[Fire everything at that and send it straight to whatever Hell it believes in...]"
We could even go to the extreme with the whole "plot immunity ship cliche" powers from the most recent special-featured episode ships (Obelisks and Dyson Destroyers) and just have one power to rule them all for this business - though I imagine that'll take away from the smug grins of self-satisfaction that the people in the design team who "come up with those things" have when they "come up with those things."
In the least case it reduces the amount of superfluous junk that would need to be dealt with by placing like-behaviors under one header in game and development content. In the best case it ultimately results in our ships not looking like something out of EVE ONLINE.
B:O, B:FAW, C:SV, C:RF, T:HY, T:S -> "Kill All" and "Kill That".
We don't really need six powers to service energy and torpedo weapons. We could even dump mines in here but I figured that tacking those onto Attack Patterns would be more amusing.
Either way, why keep this archaic six power system when two powers are more than adequate?
"Kill all" and "Kill that". They were previously named something more in-game conventional before coming back into mention today with "[Fire everything at everything...]" and "[Fire everything at that and send it straight to whatever Hell it believes in...]"
We could even go to the extreme with the whole "plot immunity ship cliche" powers from the most recent special-featured episode ships (Obelisks and Dyson Destroyers) and just have one power to rule them all for this business - though I imagine that'll take away from the smug grins of self-satisfaction that the people in the design team who "come up with those things" have when they "come up with those things."
In the least case it reduces the amount of superfluous junk that would need to be dealt with by placing like-behaviors under one header in game and development content. In the best case it ultimately results in our ships not looking like something out of EVE ONLINE.
Proposals for using in-game features to improve: (1) the "Phaser Lance" (and other underrepresented/missing "big guns"); && (2) separation systems on all ships that have them; && (3) training boffs in captain only powers by using boffs as pack-mules; OR to add functionality like: (4) "Away Teams Of Space Ships";
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How do you figure the current ships are something out of EVE? The current tactical system fits Star Trek Treknobabble perfectly, why would we want to make the combat system simpler?
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Combat in EVE is significantly different that the simple combat system used in STO. In EVE you need to manage optimal range, turret falloff, transversal and tracking speed, all while making sure you are keeping yourself moving in the right direction to limit how well the opponents can target you.
In STO, it's as simple as selecting a target, cycling your BOFF abilities, and firing. As long as the target is under 10km from you, you're going to hit it other than the few times accuracy rolls poorly.
BOFF powers in STO allow players to come up with different builds for their ships which in turn can make the same ship behave like an entirely different one. If the powers were condensed like you seem to be suggesting, then it would just result in everyone using the same builds with very little difference between them.
You would have been able to get things straight if you had bothered reading the original post. In fact if you actually played the game you would've understood the explicit remark about how this concept already exists in featured episode content (which came well after this idea sprung up on the forum). And if actually played the game and knew about beam boats here and in Eve Online you would understand the correlation between them.
So yeah, go be happy and remember - nobody cares.
It's because you're semi-literate and actually believed your teachers were competent when they passed you.
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If all you are going to do is insult the people who reply and criticize your post and ideas while not actually replying to what they are saying, then perhaps you shouldn't have made a thread in the first place.
I have a feeling though when I see this thread again (barring it getting locked or deleted) is just you insulting me like you did them.
Having played EvE Online myself (eew, non-consensual PvP), I can confirm everything you said here.
Don't feed the trolls. It just makes them come back for more.
And to OP, the tactical systems in this game are fine. Why do we have so many? It's simple. Each one does something different. We can't just make them into two simple commands. Why? Because there are so many different weapons.
Each tactical ability you mentioned does a specific thing to a specific weapon type. BFAW makes BEAMS ONLY fire at everything. Every other weapon stays on your primary target. But the beauty of it is that you can have BFAW AND CRF going at the same time. Which means you poke everything around you whilst unleashing hell on a specific target.
Why simplify it? Keep it a little complicated. Make SOME effort required to do this game.
And as for your insults to others OP... no. Just... no. The only one looking foolish here is you.
Lol
On topic: I think what the OP is trying (and perhaps not managing well) to say is have one ability that just fires a combination of torp spread, FAW and CSV for whatever you have equipped and another that does BO, THY and CRF all in one.
Apart from making a pathetically easy and uncomplicated game even easier and reducing it to choose ability 1 or ability 2 to activate, you also are either automating the ability people used of CSV till shields down TS to hit hull or you're just rendering torpedoes useless as they will usually get fired at a target with full shields.
That's without pointing out why the abilities exist in the featured episodes as they do.
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This is the last thing I will post.
Ive read things I wish I never had, and you sir, OP, have achieved something I never thought possible...
An idea so ludicrously stupid that I actually genuinely pity you.
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Worst period idea period ever period.
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You know what the most pitiable part is?
He genuinely believes it's the best idea... well... ever!
Nah, nah...best idea ever...PWE buys CCP.
STO gets a Minmatar faction.
EVE gets lockboxes...
Okay, that might be a little spiteful toward the EVE folks...but c'mon, STO needs the Minmatar faction and those awesome designs! They could ally with the Pakleds. :cool:
Hmm, have you seen that Hirogen Escort of late?! Looking pretty Minmatar to me! Rust, ftw!
Then, they tried to defend the idea, in a very insulting way...
Now, I'm just not sure if they really are that entitled as to think this is a good idea, or if they are a really bad troll.
Why not both?
Hirogen skins on Breen ships, right? Cryptic, make it so!
Better Idea: When we get Iconians as enemies, in the Arc where they are supposed to be defeated once and for all, a bombed to shreds planetary Iconian gateway not on the normal network is found.
This gateway did lead to a Dyson sphere interior where the shell used the star's power to fuel an artificial wormhole, the other end being in New Eden. When Iconia got bombed, the shockwaves traveled through the gateway, destabilizing the star, causing the wormhole to collapse.
Voila, Story to link STO and EVE done.
Also, Matari ships only when we also get Autocannons and Artillery turrets.
On the other hand, EVE getting Lockboxes......I think it wouldn't just end with Monuments being shot, but in that case, people sneaking up to Cryptic at night, Hedgetrimmering Power and Phone lines.
Yeah, combined powers like that already exist in-game; they're called things like Attack Pattern Shon and Attack Pattern Tuvok. Essentially powerful NPC abilities that we occasionally get to use in story missions.
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What would be interesting is allowing players to make their own Attack Pattern abilities...along the lines of kits, where they could load X number of abilities and slot it as a Captain ability. Would need a much longer cooldown (a CD that wouldn't affect the individual abilities, but rather just using them all as APX)...
...players have just as much, if not more, ego than Shon does.
This. Why is everyone dogging the OP? there is a point to be made here, since there are some analogs:
Why not have instead of say, C:SV and B:FaW a unified command like the OP was hinting at, like "Energy Weapons Fire At Will" ('Weapons fire at everything', firing arcs taken int consideration) and "Energy Weapons:Target Lock" ('Weapons fire at THAT')
It could reduce some confusion. Not a bad idea on the surface. Wit some twerking and tweaking it could be viable.
Attack pattern n00bpwnr: You're target has -300% damage resistance, you gain +1000% damage for 30s. When you kill a target a system message saying "[target] is a n00b trolololololol"
It is through repetition that we learn our weakness.
A master with a stone is better than a novice with a sword.
Has damage got out of control?
This is the last thing I will post.
Cause some folks oppose the continued dumbing down of gaming that's taking place in the world...
...some folks don't want to wake up one morning to an Idiocracy.
That ship has already sailed my friend.
That said, his point is valid and an interesting concept. I personally like the current system, but his idea has some merit. Peepz need to relax, yo'!
I guess it kind of goes along these lines...
There's keyboard and mouse gamers...
There's the various generations of gamepad gamers: dpad + 2button, 4button, 6button, mo button, sticks, etc, etc, etc...
There's the various generations of joystick gamers: stick 'n button through all sorts of throttle control systems...
And then there's the paddle gamers...
...don't let STO be a paddle game.
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And therein lies the rub. Having been exposed to it, I have a science officer in the Republic insisting that Tovan Khev have the equivalent of "Attack Pattern Tovan" - which combines BFaW, CSV, and TS (all II) so that he can one-click spam everything we catch in the gravity well...
I mean, it's not like he's already a "super BOff" in that he already has the power of indismissability, why can't he have a skill to make his unevictable slot "useful"... :P
Then we'll power creep it across the board. However, if you have an issue with them being tactical powers, can I haz me a combo Tyken's Rift & Energy Syphon, or, more painfully, a combo Tyken's & GW (III)?
Engineers have it rough, though I can seriously see them launch boarding party shuttles that carry aceton beam emitters and TRIBBLE warp plasma all the way to target... :P
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There have been multiple requests over the years from some players to be able to put BOFF abilities on autofire like weapons...
Hey OP, come back! We want to continue this discussion with you!