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Too much Fleet Credits needed, not enough available to earn
marc8219
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As the title says too much fleet credits are needed to keep up with power creep. For PVPers keeping up is a must, so getting all the new stuff at the spire holding, 5 tac consoles at 50k FC each, 6th active doff slot at 150k fc, and a spire core we are looking at 465k fc per character, less on characters that don't use 5 tac console ships, but still a lot. In big fleets like my FED and KDF fleets its almost impossible to earn this in a reasonable amount of time.
Main problem is Fleet marks are not able to be contributed easily, none of the projects out now take enough fleet marks. I think these projects were balanced with the amount of credits you needed at the start of the fleet holding system over a year and a half ago, but much more is needed now. We need a project primarily designed for big fleets that is much more FM intensive, it doesn't really need to give much in return, just a few xp points or something like the other special projects.
Also another problem is that contributing stuff like commodities, devices, and doffs don't give a reasonable amount of FC for the amount of ec or time it takes to gather this stuff compared to marks. The FC earned from this stuff should be increased to encourage people to contribute this and not leave it all for the last person.
Lastly dilithium is needed so much for the gear and we have so little due to refining limit . Nobody wants to contribute it so its often left for last too, maybe dil requirements for projects and for buying fleet gear should be lowered slightly and mark for projects and credits needed to buy gear increased.
Main problem is Fleet marks are not able to be contributed easily, none of the projects out now take enough fleet marks. I think these projects were balanced with the amount of credits you needed at the start of the fleet holding system over a year and a half ago, but much more is needed now. We need a project primarily designed for big fleets that is much more FM intensive, it doesn't really need to give much in return, just a few xp points or something like the other special projects.
Also another problem is that contributing stuff like commodities, devices, and doffs don't give a reasonable amount of FC for the amount of ec or time it takes to gather this stuff compared to marks. The FC earned from this stuff should be increased to encourage people to contribute this and not leave it all for the last person.
Lastly dilithium is needed so much for the gear and we have so little due to refining limit . Nobody wants to contribute it so its often left for last too, maybe dil requirements for projects and for buying fleet gear should be lowered slightly and mark for projects and credits needed to buy gear increased.
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I don't want something for nothing, just more avenues to earn FCs and contribute to a fleet, especially if it's a larger fleet with many active players.
The problem at hand is that most of the bigger fleets use a "out=out" policy, which keep people from earning FC.
The only way to get around this is to find a small fleet where you can donate enough to get your FC, but doesn't mind you to go to other fleets to buy the big guns.
I call it, the Stoutes paradox.
A possible solution if you have lots of dilithium is to ask one of the Fleet Leaders to run a couple of those Basic Provision projects. The only problem I find with those projects is that they stall progress since they provide no XP and can sit their for days because people don't want to donate dilithium, but if you have over 200,000 dilithium not doing anything or tons of money burning a hole in your pocket and a free project slot available, then there shouldn't be a problem. However, those projects should not be done if you can only donate a portion.
I find that the only thing a small fleet needs to worry about is getting every Fleet Holding to Tier 1 and do provision projects. It is not necessary to get the Starbase, Embassy, or Spire to Tier 1. Then just inform the Fleet on how to get top level Fleet equipment using the various resources that players have come up with like Public Service channels. The only thing not available to Tier 1 Fleets is Fleet ships.
This is true, and a tactic I've seen employed by many people. It's why I say the system is flawed, in that you need to leave your fleet, go to another fleet, earn FCs, then go back to your fleet. Just feels a bit silly to have to go through this process and it only proves the entire thing needs to be looked at. It's a tactic that works, though personally I just don't feel right jumping into fleets just to get FCs and then leaving them high and dry. It's especially uncomfortable since I have multiple characters I play and would have to do this for each one.
It's just counter intuitive, need to be in another fleet to get the things needed to buy things from your own fleet.
However this is only necessary for fleet ships. Like Starkaos mentioned; it's actually only necessary to get your fleet to T1 to get provisions. These provisions can be used at different SB's/mines/etc without actually leaving your fleet.
That's my plan with the fleet I just have created couple of weeks ago. I mainly want to unlock provisions and keep it as a possibility for others to gain quick FC.
I've seen too much fleets strangling their players by forbidding them from leaving.
I call it, the Stoutes paradox.
I joined a similar fleet. I pretty fast left it again after realizing that.
The fleet I'm now in handled that quiet smart by... Well... Founding a second fleet to keep the projects up.
But still a flawed system.
I like this idea, it will solve our fm problems and might make the pve queues more active since people will be able to use their marks.
there are several projects that just need dil, and a couple that need random other items
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I won't resent you at all. I've got room for somewhere near 20k fleet marks currently.
I'm not going to pay anybody for them however. I will get to it eventually, but if you were willing to save me from a couple months grinding, that'd be terrific.
I've also got room for around 750k dilithium if you've got that in excess.
I personally have over 30 million fleet credits earned, I'm not a slouch, but I'll not look a gift horse in the mouth. My personal goal is to get my fleet starbase to tier 4, which isn't far off, and to get the other holdings as close to maxed as I can stand.
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My KDF fleet is only Tier 2, but perfectly willing to accept charitable donations as well.
Is this a case of you being in a fleet "so large" that every time you log in every project slot is filled, and you are completely unable to earn fleet credits? Remember, this is like 14-17 projects at once...
Even T5 main T3 all holding starbases can be creating fleet credit opportunities through a steady stream of the standard provisioning runs...
Or is this a case of "every fleet mark slider is filled and I can't be bothered to part with my dilithium / DOffs and shopping for commodities is too much work"...
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Filling anything else will be up to you but since I dont particlarly need people to fill them I wont be giving ec for those
The problem is large fleets have so many users the FC doled out is divided by the number of people donating.
No one gets enough to satiate their needs so they're always chomping at the bit when a new project hits.
Dil:FC ratio doesn't need changing. Dil=time=money, you should not be able to simply buy your way into a T5 base without working for it. FMs are that 'work' input value that's needed and thus more richly rewarded.
A fleet project exchange could be nice. Let fleets dish out their input requirements to a market, let anyone donate and get FCs back (perhaps with a loss or FM:FC 1:1 ratio to promote players to move, otherwise shell fleets will pop up all over).
Or perhaps the reverse, allow dil/doffs/FMs to be bought on an exchange with FCs.
The other stuff like commodities, devices, and doffs doesn't give a decent time or EC to FC ratio though and I think this needs to be looked at to encourage more to contribute it.
Yes I agree, even if it means they have to adjust fleet gear costs also.
The rewards for marks are generous, for a few people that get a chance to contribute them, that's the problem, not everyone gets that chance and many get stuck without enough fleet credits in larger fleets.
I don't see how increasing the FC reward for dil "is buying your way" to t5 starbase, the dil requirments would still be the same and you can still only refine 8k dil per day or get it from dil exchange, all that would happen is increased FC rewards would encourage more players to contribute it. Besides more fleet credits being available I think it would be nice if there was just as much incentive to contribute to any and all starbase project requirements and not just the easy stuff like marks.
Good lord, what are you doing buying credit boosts?
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Not really. Once mine, spire and embassy are finished there are, as far as I know, no projects left. That makes only 3 starbase projects.
And having those finished isn't a rare thing in big fleets.
What would be the point then?
Adjusting the gear prices would mean: we'd get the same poor reward from investing dillithium and even less for all the other stuff.
i doubt it. for most of HoBs grind to t5 i have been the primary dil/doff/commodity contributor. all up i am at nearly 50 million fc on the leaderboard. i think that its pretty common.
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Create a second fleet. If the primary fleet base is allready maxed out including its holding...make a new fleet just to have something you can kick into to earn FC... once you have what you need quit the new fleet, rejoin the old fleet and you now have all the FC you need... You do not loose the FC when your no longer in a fleet... you just don't have any place to spend them.
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the problem is the second fleet will require dil and doffs lest its projects stall. if the dil/doffs doesnt get filled you no longer have any place to dump marks. so... you may have been better off just running projects on the larger fleet.
if the second fleet is going to be of any use there needs to be a person or persons there tasked with keeping the dil/doffs contributed. the person most likely to undertake that task is somebody with a vested interest in the second fleet, ie an owner. so i figure that the best solution would likely be to adopt a smaller fleet and act as a beneficiary of sorts. the problem is finding a smaller fleet that is willing to do what they need to do on their end. i think i may have a viable solution though.
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Solution: sell/give away your fleet marks to aspiring fleets that are still on the climb to t5.
Problem, some people don't want to [redacted] themselves to other fleets. The whole purpose of fleets was to stay in a group, not to go bouncing left and right through fleets to see where you can earn the most fleet credits any given day.
If your SB reaches T5, it should have access to pure fleet mark projects so people can just use those to earn credits easily. Pretty simple but something Cryptic seems unwilling to do.
Just gonna throw this out here, that what I gave is a completely viable solution. If people want to continue to sit on their hands and wait for the almighty cryptic to spoon feed them something that great in theory bug never going to happen fleet mark only project, well then that's going to be on them. Kudos to them for sticking to their principles.
I kind of agree with this, we are finished everything and our option is to grind provisions everyday for FC? lame. Or slot up bugged buff assignments that are way too expensive and not fixed since S6?
On the other hand, allowing massive FM dumps could really hurt things. Players would no longer need to actually give anything to get most of what they want, they just dump valueless marks, my characters have like 20k marks sitting doing nothing.
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