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dinoyipidinoyipi Member Posts: 141 Arc User
edited February 2014 in Klingon Discussion
(Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but...)

I think it'd be nice to have a Klingon base in Alpha Centauri. Mail/bank/exchange, ship selection/customization, equipment requisitions; the works. It's really annoying to be working on the Nimbus/Romulan story, and need to fly all the way back to either Omega Leonis or Eta Eridani to recuperate. I know the Romulan arc isn't very long for the KDF, but still...

It might be difficult from an in-universe standpoint to have a Klingon base so far from home, but TRIBBLE logic, I really want a Klink base there. :P
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Placing one in Alpha Centauri or even a bit further "north" was suggested looong ago.
    Back then the idea was hatched to plant a nice little KDF Carrier Group there to handle operations against the RSE and possible the Federation (it's supposed to be war after all).
    But nothing ever came of it. Interesting thing is however that the Romulan Flotilla fits the idea we had back then pretty well...
  • pmaddenpmadden Member Posts: 68 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    What the Klingons need is a new sector block.

    A block of 3 sectors (like most of the others) heading straight up from the B'moth sector
    running parallel to mempa, narendra and mylasa sectors.

    this would give them equal sector space to the feds, and a front like against the Rom star emp.

    it would however explain why the Klingons would give a danm about the 'true way' attacking shipping convoys deep in federation space!
  • dinoyipidinoyipi Member Posts: 141 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    pmadden wrote: »
    What the Klingons need is a new sector block.

    A block of 3 sectors (like most of the others) heading straight up from the B'moth sector
    running parallel to mempa, narendra and mylasa sectors.

    this would give them equal sector space to the feds, and a front like against the Rom star emp.

    it would however explain why the Klingons would give a danm about the 'true way' attacking shipping convoys deep in federation space!
    Please, devs...
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    pmadden wrote: »
    What the Klingons need is a new sector block.

    A block of 3 sectors (like most of the others) heading straight up from the B'moth sector
    running parallel to mempa, narendra and mylasa sectors.

    this would give them equal sector space to the feds, and a front like against the Rom star emp.

    it would however explain why the Klingons would give a danm about the 'true way' attacking shipping convoys deep in federation space!
    Well.... in theory, Omega Leonis is relatively close to Gamma Orionis. But there's a sector block or two between them. In case anyone is wondering Gamma Orionis is near the Gorn Homeworld.
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  • bladewolf5bladewolf5 Member Posts: 148 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Maybe a hidden base, which FED can't detect, that will be interesting.:P
  • steamwrightsteamwright Member Posts: 2,820
    edited February 2014
    dinoyipi wrote: »
    (Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but...)

    I think it'd be nice to have a Klingon base in Alpha Centauri. Mail/bank/exchange, ship selection/customization, equipment requisitions; the works. It's really annoying to be working on the Nimbus/Romulan story, and need to fly all the way back to either Omega Leonis or Eta Eridani to recuperate. I know the Romulan arc isn't very long for the KDF, but still...

    It might be difficult from an in-universe standpoint to have a Klingon base so far from home, but TRIBBLE logic, I really want a Klink base there. :P

    How about bringing in a neutral party to resolve the issue without breaking RP and lore? Say a Ferengi trading flotilla or minor base. Nothing as big as Drosana, but nothing as mobile as Mudd, either.
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  • steamwrightsteamwright Member Posts: 2,820
    edited February 2014
    forgot to mention, once you get a shuttle, you should have at least limited ship swapping abilities wherever you are.

    Just in case any reader has not experienced this:
    Go to your shuttle "bridge". There should be a crewman in there (in the back of the room on my shuttle) that allows you to swap out to the last ship you were working with prior to your current one. Once selected, and you exit, you should find yourself in your alternate ship.
  • jeffel82jeffel82 Member Posts: 2,075 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    I don't see any lore issues with the Klingons having a base in Alpha Centauri or Iota Pavonis. The Romulan Star Empire collapsed many years ago, and it makes sense that the KDF would want to establish a foothold in their former space.

    I've always felt that a more accurate depiction of each faction's territory would be to portray sector space as a whole as neutral territory, with coloured circles around each system to indicate who controls it. To me, it makes more sense for each faction to be controlling "islands" in the "ocean" of space, rather than the current portrayal.
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  • crash490rcrash490r Member Posts: 88 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    I could see an outpost in Tau Dewa, seeing as that is the tri-border, i.e. klink space, but just because Romulus is gone doesn't mean the RSE is gone. I'm fairly sure that neither the Star Navy/Tal Shiar or the Federation would permit a base in Alpha Centuari as that is a Federation/RSE border, and setting up an outpost in Iota would be no closer to Nimbus than Ganalda or Qo'nos, not to mention I doubt the Romulans would allow the klinks a base near their destroyed homeworld.
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  • f9thaceshighf9thaceshigh Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    jeffel82 wrote: »
    I don't see any lore issues with the Klingons having a base in Alpha Centauri or Iota Pavonis. The Romulan Star Empire collapsed many years ago, and it makes sense that the KDF would want to establish a foothold in their former space.

    I've always felt that a more accurate depiction of each faction's territory would be to portray sector space as a whole as neutral territory, with coloured circles around each system to indicate who controls it. To me, it makes more sense for each faction to be controlling "islands" in the "ocean" of space, rather than the current portrayal.


    except that's how it is in the show, they control whole sectors of space, not just individual systems.

    Also, I think the Romulan Star Empire would object to your idea to put a klingon base in their territory, after all, they are still there.
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    misterde3 wrote: »
    Placing one in Alpha Centauri or even a bit further "north" was suggested looong ago.
    Back then the idea was hatched to plant a nice little KDF Carrier Group there to handle operations against the RSE and possible the Federation (it's supposed to be war after all).
    But nothing ever came of it. Interesting thing is however that the Romulan Flotilla fits the idea we had back then pretty well...


    This is still my favorite idea. After all part of the start of the KDF fed war was because we KDF where reclaiming old Klingon systems from the once romulan republic.
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  • jeffel82jeffel82 Member Posts: 2,075 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    except that's how it is in the show, they control whole sectors of space, not just individual systems.

    Also, I think the Romulan Star Empire would object to your idea to put a klingon base in their territory, after all, they are still there.

    Eh, yes and no. Maps in the show generally coloured the entire sector, just like STO does, but it was also clear that each faction's "control" over those sectors was pretty restricted. The Breen managed to make it all the way to Earth for a sneak attack without cloaking devices, etc. Each faction would have long-range sensors set up to track movements through "their" space, but they don't necessarily have a physical presence in place to stop them.

    Also, in the DS9 era, Deep Space Nine itself was a frontier outpost...in theory, on the STO map, it would have been a single dot of blue surrounded by Cardassian and neutral systems.

    And yeah, I think the Tal Shiar* would object to a deep space Klingon outpost, but I think the KDF can handle themselves. :)




    *The Romulan Star Empire died with the Imperial Senate.
    You're right. The work here is very important.
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    jeffel82 wrote: »
    Eh, yes and no. Maps in the show generally coloured the entire sector, just like STO does, but it was also clear that each faction's "control" over those sectors was pretty restricted. The Breen managed to make it all the way to Earth for a sneak attack without cloaking devices, etc. Each faction would have long-range sensors set up to track movements through "their" space, but they don't necessarily have a physical presence in place to stop them.

    Also, in the DS9 era, Deep Space Nine itself was a frontier outpost...in theory, on the STO map, it would have been a single dot of blue surrounded by Cardassian and neutral systems.

    And yeah, I think the Tal Shiar* would object to a deep space Klingon outpost, but I think the KDF can handle themselves. :)




    *The Romulan Star Empire died with the Imperial Senate.

    ...and as TOS showed they don't even always have control over a single planet.

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    SPOCK: Under dispute between the two parties since initial contact. The battle of Donatu Five was fought near here twenty three solar years ago. Inconclusive.
    KIRK: Analysis of disputed area?
    SPOCK: Undeveloped. Sherman's Planet is claimed by both sides, our Federation and the Klingon Empire. We do have the better claim.

    An even worse case was the disputed area between the Federation and the Cardassians where the planets were located in a chaotic zigzag all over the place.
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    This is still my favorite idea. After all part of the start of the KDF fed war was because we KDF where reclaiming old Klingon systems from the once romulan republic.

    Back then I imainged having the battlegroup's "shipyard" on a carrier's hangar deck.

    http://www.suricatafx.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/klingonships181.png

    Imagine standing in one of those giant 300+ meter long hangars:
    On one end a forcefield seperating the player from the vacuum of space, on the other crews preparing small craft and shuffling suplies around.
    On one side you with the engineering team debating about when they can assign a crew to fix your ship's damage, on the other rows of fighters, shuttles and Birds of Prey in parking position.:D

    Incidentally: has anyone ever tried to build a Vo'quv hangar in the foundry?
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    misterde3 wrote: »
    Imagine standing in one of those giant 300+ meter long hangars:

    I just did! :eek: Darn it now I want one again, even more.

    Damn you for making me remember! :mad: *shakes fist in air*

    :P
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  • dinoyipidinoyipi Member Posts: 141 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    ...There is Nimbus III if someone is that desperate for Mail/Bank/Exchange if such is not already there...
    Nimbus has Mail and Bank, but no Exchange that I can find. Not sure if this is a bug or intentional.
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    dinoyipi wrote: »
    Nimbus has Mail and Bank, but no Exchange that I can find. Not sure if this is a bug or intentional.

    It's not a bug, nor is it intentional. It's just a fail, that's what it is.
    When they brought up Nimbus III with LoR, Paradise City didn't have any services besides the bartender in the bar. People, including yours trully, asked about this for a lot of time and they finally decided to listen to us and do it - but they did it in a half-arsed manner, which has fast become a trademark of how they do things, undortuantelly. :( That's why there's no exchange on Nimbus III, someone was sleeping at work or forgot to pay attention.
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  • bluegeekbluegeek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    How about bringing in a neutral party to resolve the issue without breaking RP and lore? Say a Ferengi trading flotilla or minor base. Nothing as big as Drosana, but nothing as mobile as Mudd, either.

    This is not a bad suggestion.

    Although Nimbus isn't a bad option in a pinch, and if you're level 50 you have access to New Romulus for Exchange.

    Khitomer would be a good spot for a full KDF base, too, and they could re-use the Khitomer map from the Romulan arc. Throw a few basic services in there and call it done.
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    bluegeek wrote: »
    Khitomer would be a good spot for a full KDF base, too, and they could re-use the Khitomer map from the Romulan arc. Throw a few basic services in there and call it done.

    I like this idea. Allways liked the Khitomer map since I played it after LoR.

    It's also such a lenegdary place in the Trek universe and an important part of lore for the Klingons & Romulans, but especially Klingons. Taking controll of Khitomer back during the war against the RSE is a major coup for the KDF I'd say, and something J'mpok would be very proud of. Turning it into a KDF exclusive social zone would do a lot of good - first of all it's not too much work since the map already exists, then it's a great service for KDF players to have another social zone in such a legendary place and last but not least :cool: - with the birth of the Romulan Republic settled on Mol'Rihan which is basically on the KDF border, Khitomer would be the best place for a 'base away from home' that would serve as reconnaisance hub for the KDF on all things Romulan related, given that there's still not much trust between these species.
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  • astro2244astro2244 Member Posts: 623 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Or how's about adding a ground map to the neutral space station in orbit of nimbus 3.
    Kill two birds with one stone. Maybe use a part of the old drozana map for it and add ship facilities for editing your ships.
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  • killdozer9211killdozer9211 Member Posts: 920 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    misterde3 wrote: »
    Back then I imainged having the battlegroup's "shipyard" on a carrier's hangar deck.

    http://www.suricatafx.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/klingonships181.png

    Imagine standing in one of those giant 300+ meter long hangars:
    On one end a forcefield seperating the player from the vacuum of space, on the other crews preparing small craft and shuffling suplies around.
    On one side you with the engineering team debating about when they can assign a crew to fix your ship's damage, on the other rows of fighters, shuttles and Birds of Prey in parking position.:D

    Incidentally: has anyone ever tried to build a Vo'quv hangar in the foundry?

    This is a really awesome idea. The romulan flotilla is my favorite hub in game, and I love carrier ships. So a KDF carrier themed flotilla style-hub would be my new hangout of choice. I really hope someone at cryptic considers this.

    Another idea, if we can't have a fleet-style hub in Alpha Centauri, for whoever said the neutral hub, what about the Suliban Helix in Tau Dewa?

    We saw it all clean and militant in ENT, but when we came back in LoR, the helix we see is dilapidated, and home to refugee suliban without a homeworld. That would make for a really cool, neutral, shady shantytown style hub.

    I've always wanted to see a little more of that side plot with the suliban, another vagrant race, having a presence in the same sector as the displaced Romulans. Tau Dewa's a crowded neighborhood, even before all those warbirds get added to the mix...
  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    This is still my favorite idea. After all part of the start of the KDF fed war was because we KDF where reclaiming old Klingon systems from the once romulan republic.

    As is mine a carrier group makes prefect sense and isn't a permanent base (at least in universe). Also love the idea of going into the hangar and seeing space. Prefect spot for a ship tailor and other ship related contacts.
    bluegeek wrote: »
    Khitomer would be a good spot for a full KDF base, too, and they could re-use the Khitomer map from the Romulan arc. Throw a few basic services in there and call it done.

    I really like this idea too, would it be too much to ask for both? :D

    Maybe move the carrier group into Cardassian space as a KDF only hub and have Khitomer in the Romulan space. Unlike the Federation we KDF have a longer flight to many areas without support. For example to get to DS9 we have to go through Eta Eridani and Orellius while the Federation only needs to go from Sirius to Beta Ursa. So it would make sense to have these additional bases to help us out.
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  • davidwforddavidwford Member Posts: 1,836 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    pmadden wrote: »
    What the Klingons need is a new sector block.

    A block of 3 sectors (like most of the others) heading straight up from the B'moth sector
    running parallel to mempa, narendra and mylasa sectors.

    this would give them equal sector space to the feds, and a front like against the Rom star emp.

    it would however explain why the Klingons would give a danm about the 'true way' attacking shipping convoys deep in federation space!

    I agree with this. It would give a new area for KDF/Romulan missions and the intrigue between the Klingon Empire and the New Republic. The KDF base should then be placed in the northwest corner such that when one jumps from the Mylasa sector, they can almost immediatly enter the social zone's space map.

    The Afahirr nebula access on the Psi Velorum map would need to be moved. I would recommend shifting it to the north side of the Mylasa Sector.
  • icsairgunsicsairguns Member Posts: 1,504 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    bluegeek wrote: »
    Khitomer would be a good spot for a full KDF base, too, and they could re-use the Khitomer map from the Romulan arc. Throw a few basic services in there and call it done.

    I said this before and it still hold true. we should have a outpost there.
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  • thegalaxy31thegalaxy31 Member Posts: 1,211 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    pmadden wrote: »
    What the Klingons need is a new sector block.

    A block of 3 sectors (like most of the others) heading straight up from the B'moth sector
    running parallel to mempa, narendra and mylasa sectors.

    this would give them equal sector space to the feds, and a front like against the Rom star emp.

    it would however explain why the Klingons would give a danm about the 'true way' attacking shipping convoys deep in federation space!

    This is very unlikely.
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