1: you dont get to dictate as to what the mods get to do with threads on Cryptics servers...
2: You do realize there are abilities that can uncloak targets? (Ahhh shock mind blown right...) Also if you learned to time your abilities a well placed high yield on someone attempting to battle cloak can be deadly.
Anyways, battlecloaks ain't OP. They still have a 20 second base CD, which is a long time no matter what you are doing. A Klingon, if they use Embassy BOFFs might get that down to 15 seconds at best, but a Romulan can skirt to about 10 roughly depending on how much they are willing to spend on getting Superior traits.
The OP is looking at the symptom, and not the cause.
PS, not saying that anything should be buffed or nerfed.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Well, to be fair ships that can cloak in battle are handicapped in otherways.
BoP's have alot less hull points, and Warbirds suffer from lower power levels that most.
The point hes trying to make is that it doesn?t matter how gimped the BoP or Warbirds are if they are only in a fight for less than 10 sec and hide away in a cloak and wait for its cool downs to run out its pretty much a one sided fight.
It's not the cloak itself that's the problem, it's how it is used. Not talking about vapers (that's a whole other discussion), but cloaked ships come in and then leave for up to 5 min or so. Yeah, you have anti-cloak abilities and consoles, but they only work in certain ranges, and if they want to stay away, cloakers can.
Again, it still isn't a big issue if just one or two on a team is doing that, it's just a style of play. My only beef is when the entire opposing team are cloaking. It takes forever to play the match because you're just waiting for them to decloak. You may catch them, you may not. It makes for a long, boring fight. Now that feds have roms that can do that, it sometimes makes for even longer matches when both teams consists of cloakers. It's just not as much fun as a match where there is constant fighting.
I don't like the argument that if you don't like it, play KDF or ROM. That's like saying the only solution to a cloaker is to become a cloaker. Is this what you really want? Would you really be happy if everyone on every team is flying a tvaro, for instance?
I do appreciate other suggestions on how to counter the cloak, so for that I thank you.
Strike and Hide (if the attack fails) attacks are the nature of how cloaking works in combat for ships with battle cloaks. It may be frustrating for the target but thats combat and there is no reason why any ship should not play to its strengths in combat.
OP Romulan cloakers ruined PvP. My old fleet, Alcoholica, stoped playing PvP and STO generaly, almost just because of that. Me and my mate tactical in escorts, two of us need few minutes to destroy our engineer in reculse, its not easy. Then, in PvP, op cloaked romulan destroys him in few seconds. And how that isnt OP ??? Where is balance? When i start to chase him, he escape in singularity jump, and then cloak. They mostly dont fight at all, just kill you thru shields (hey, you dont need to grind for shields anymore, because they shot thru them) and escape. Cowards, wont to learn how to build and play, just hit and escape, most cowardish way of play ever, i didnt see bigger sh*t in any game ever. Not fair fight, and there is many players i know that stoped playing because of that exploit, or call it what ever you want. I didnt stop playing pvp yet, but if i see team with healer and more then 1 op cloaked romulan, i leave match before its started. Wont be sitting duck to cloaked op lows. I take them in borg tractor beam, and they jump to singularity and cloak, like a joke How to chase them? Biggest cr** in this game are cloaked op romulans, at least when we talk about pvp. I know that now romulans will stand to talk that im low crying fed/klingon player, but no one can prove me - he can destroy engi reculse in 5 seconds, i cant do same thing in much longer time, now that can be fair? It simply cant, romulans have many advantages in compare to all others, and that is a fact, and isn't fair.
This just the same old QQing that has happened since the game launched. Instead of 3 distinct factions we have 2.5 factions that are more a like than they are different. This same old Feddie Crybaby tactic that got them the defiant cloak, carriers, Optimal BoP Boff layout ships in stronger ships, KDF concsoles, ETC. Feddies in this game are nothing more than a bunch whiney, crying self entitled little girls that probably spend their time with OWSers trying to get a glimpse at the opposite sex.
Hey I Used to be Captain Data, well I guess I still am in game but the account link really screwed everything up :rolleyes:
From what I've seen on these forums, KDF whines just as much as FEDs. The only people not whining are Romulans. All they do is say "if you don't like it, roll a rom." Might tell ya something there.
I don't have a problem with the cloak itself, it just seems to be so many cloakers as to cause the matches to drag on more than my liking, which is all I was trying to say.
Vapers are a whole other issue that I won't get into.
From what I've seen on these forums, KDF whines just as much as FEDs. The only people not whining are Romulans. All they do is say "if you don't like it, roll a rom." Might tell ya something there.
Romulans not whining? Oh come on, it's a known fact that everyone whines around here. I guess you missed the weekly threads that pup up regarding Tovan Khev, or how the D'Deridex sucks, or how it's unfair to not be able to use M/A warp cores...
And the KDF used to say that, but then the Feds whined about the KDF players saying that. The only reason they don't whine when Roms say that is because Feds can play Rom and still play like a Fed.
From what I've seen on these forums, KDF whines just as much as FEDs. The only people not whining are Romulans. All they do is say "if you don't like it, roll a rom." Might tell ya something there.
I don't have a problem with the cloak itself, it just seems to be so many cloakers as to cause the matches to drag on more than my liking, which is all I was trying to say.
Vapers are a whole other issue that I won't get into.
From what I've seen on these forums, KDF whines just as much as FEDs. The only people not whining are Romulans. All they do is say "if you don't like it, roll a rom." Might tell ya something there.
I don't have a problem with the cloak itself, it just seems to be so many cloakers as to cause the matches to drag on more than my liking, which is all I was trying to say.
Vapers are a whole other issue that I won't get into.
Take a look at all theships you have gotten and boff layouts. Look at all the ships and you have and the specialized sub roles they can do. No faction has the number of ships with specialized sub roles than the Feddies. We can't detect cloak here have nebula. Sci does not do the damage here have super grav well. OH NOES KDF has Theta, here now you have Theta. Feddie tears have been rewarded time and time again. No one plays KDF because why should they they have worse ship stats, while the KDF gets a certain ship with one boff layout, the feds get similar ship with 3 slightly different ones for more specialized. KDF ships are a jack of all trades but good at none. Feds jack of all trades but good at tac, or sci, or eng because you have tac ships geared toward sci and eng, you have cruisers geared towards tac and sci, you have sci ships geared towards tac and eng. Hell some would even say the KDF sci ships besides the BoP are nothing more slow moving bricks in space. Hell you guys even have an escort carrier.
Hey I Used to be Captain Data, well I guess I still am in game but the account link really screwed everything up :rolleyes:
From what I've seen on these forums, KDF whines just as much as FEDs. The only people not whining are Romulans. All they do is say "if you don't like it, roll a rom." Might tell ya something there.
I don't have a problem with the cloak itself, it just seems to be so many cloakers as to cause the matches to drag on more than my liking, which is all I was trying to say.
Vapers are a whole other issue that I won't get into.
Obviously a fed if you say that, I play all 3 (or 2.5) factions and by far feds take the cake in whining. I'm not saying any side is whine free or doesn't whine much but you're kidding yourself if you think feds don't whine the most.
Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
Originally posted by wolverine595959
Take a look at all theships you have gotten and boff layouts. Look at all the ships and you have and the specialized sub roles they can do. No faction has the number of ships with specialized sub roles than the Feddies. We can't detect cloak here have nebula. Sci does not do the damage here have super grav well. OH NOES KDF has Theta, here now you have Theta. Feddie tears have been rewarded time and time again. No one plays KDF because why should they they have worse ship stats, while the KDF gets a certain ship with one boff layout, the feds get similar ship with 3 slightly different ones for more specialized. KDF ships are a jack of all trades but good at none. Feds jack of all trades but good at tac, or sci, or eng because you have tac ships geared toward sci and eng, you have cruisers geared towards tac and sci, you have sci ships geared towards tac and eng. Hell some would even say the KDF sci ships besides the BoP are nothing more slow moving bricks in space. Hell you guys even have an escort carrier.
Originally posted by lianthelia
Obviously a fed if you say that, I play all 3 (or 2.5) factions and by far feds take the cake in whining. I'm not saying any side is whine free or doesn't whine much but you're kidding yourself if you think feds don't whine the most.
These two posts only prove my point. Also, I capitulated about Roms not whining. Thanks for the links misterde3.
All of this is besides the point. This topic is about the cloak. Let's get back on topic please.
These two posts only prove my point. Also, I capitulated about Roms not whining. Thanks for the links misterde3.
All of this is besides the point. This topic is about the cloak. Let's get back on topic please.
I don't think you can call the kdfs desire to be on par with the federation with content. either in playable story or in ships released 'whining'. even asking for a k'vort over and over isn't whining.
just for you, here is a link to your average federation player thread.
If that is all it is, then no. I don't mind players asking for things in the game or discussing the short comings of the game. It's when they say things like
Originally posted by wolverine595959
Feddie tears have been rewarded time and time again.
or
Originaly posted by wolverine595959
Feddies in this game are nothing more than a bunch whiney, crying self entitled little girls that probably spend their time with OWSers trying to get a glimpse at the opposite sex.
or
Originally posted by lianthelia
Obviously a fed if you say that, I play all 3 (or 2.5) factions and by far feds take the cake in whining. I'm not saying any side is whine free or doesn't whine much but you're kidding yourself if you think feds don't whine the most.
that I might tend to think there is more to it then just a "desire to be on par with the federation with content." What does any of this have to do with the topic on hand, which is cloaking?
And Misterde3, if this thread is any indication, you won't be seeing any more posts out of me. I tried to contribute, and I got bullied. I'm all set.
Romulans not whining? Oh come on, it's a known fact that everyone whines around here. I guess you missed the weekly threads that pup up regarding Tovan Khev, or how the D'Deridex sucks, or how it's unfair to not be able to use M/A warp cores...
... I whine about lack of plot logic, jexsamx whines about the Be'ves not working properly, Kirkfat whines about lack of Foundry support (although he was tickled that they finally managed to get the ice caves map repaired) ...
I don't think you can call the kdfs desire to be on par with the federation with content. either in playable story or in ships released 'whining'. even asking for a k'vort over and over isn't whining.
I really don't get the K'vort thing. There's literally nothing special about it: it's completely identical to the B'rel in all but size. By that logic you should also get the D-12 BoP, which ... is a B'rel with a different name.
Sure, you guys definitely lack ships and goodies, but that one? I don't get it.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Before we start DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES MOVE THIS THREAD THIS IS SOMETHING THE WHOLE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO DISCUSS!
Ok so as alot of you may know the issues with the whole Cloaking process. A vast majority of us including myself are pretty upset with Romulans and Klingons Cloaking at will in the middle of a fight. Let alone literaly 3 seconds after they just decloaked....
There needs to be a longer cooldown timer on Battle Cloak the Romulans and Klingons use...
Like maybe a 30 second cooldown at least and or most. This has gotten way out of hand..enough is enough..
The cloaking ships are well balanced. The enhanced cloak ships cannot use energy weapons & torpedoes are TRIBBLE vs shields...plus the enhanced cloaked ships have the absolute weakest hulls and have shield DOWN when they are using the enhanced cloak. One shot is all you need to land on them to kill them.
Battle cloaks can only re-cloak after about 10 seconds or so have passed. Battle cloak ships have poor shield and hull HP compared to standard escorts and cruisers. If you complain that in 10 whole seconds you are unable to fight back, the problem lies with YOU.
Standard cloaks only allow re-cloak when not under red alert. This is the kind of cloak you seem to want to see... one that requires no effort from your part to adapt vs. a cloaking opponent.
Grow a pair and learn to fight against cloaking vessels. Theres half a dozen abilities that will cripple a cloak's effectiveness and more than plenty of tactics that negate the advantages of cloaked ships.
When I see whiners like you.. I don't know if to laugh in your face or give you a teddy bear. One with a little rainbow in its tummy.
I really don't get the K'vort thing. There's literally nothing special about it: it's completely identical to the B'rel in all but size. By that logic you should also get the D-12 BoP, which ... is a B'rel with a different name.
Sure, you guys definitely lack ships and goodies, but that one? I don't get it.
Actually, if one wanted to get technical, they are both the same size, since they both used the same stock footage
And Misterde3, if this thread is any indication, you won't be seeing any more posts out of me. I tried to contribute, and I got bullied. I'm all set.
Then take a break and see if you're still interested in a couple of weeks.;)
The thing is...STO's forums are certainly far away from being the worst out there but they're hardly a comfy place either. Before STO I was active in two forums, one was for a tabletop that's been out of production since 2002 with a very small and kind community, the other was for a community for Star Trek Birth of the Federation.
When I first came here, I was put off by the "style" (sorry, no other word I can find for it) typical here which is...harsh.
Some of it is based in the history of the game, and the KDF in particular, (been there, seen it, played it, have my own thread asking for them to fix a KDF ship whose model has been broken for 3 years) some of it is just the way some people think.
But whatever the cause you need a thick skin in many threads to not go bananas.
To be honest, I don't think that by this forum's standards anyone bullied you since there was no direct mention of you personally in the posts you listed.
People disagreed with you...a lot. And they certainly did so in a manner that reflects that...quantity of disagreement. But it's not bullying.
If that is all it is, then no. I don't mind players asking for things in the game or discussing the short comings of the game. It's when they say things like
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that I might tend to think there is more to it then just a "desire to be on par with the federation with content." What does any of this have to do with the topic on hand, which is cloaking?
And Misterde3, if this thread is any indication, you won't be seeing any more posts out of me. I tried to contribute, and I got bullied. I'm all set.
I don not know how long you have been playing but feds have been qqing about cloak since launch. They get their cloaks with Defiant and Gal-X and complain louder about BC and KDF carriers. Now Feds complain about Rommie cloaks when they have access to the ships if they roll a rommie. Feds that complain about the KDF or Rommies only play feds they do not roll a toon from the other factions to understand the short comings their only experience is the fact they got their TRIBBLE handed to them by a decloaking ship in PvP or in Ker'rat.
Hey I Used to be Captain Data, well I guess I still am in game but the account link really screwed everything up :rolleyes:
It's not the cloak itself that's the problem, it's how it is used. Not talking about vapers (that's a whole other discussion), but cloaked ships come in and then leave for up to 5 min or so. Yeah, you have anti-cloak abilities and consoles, but they only work in certain ranges, and if they want to stay away, cloakers can.
Again, it still isn't a big issue if just one or two on a team is doing that, it's just a style of play. My only beef is when the entire opposing team are cloaking. It takes forever to play the match because you're just waiting for them to decloak. You may catch them, you may not. It makes for a long, boring fight. Now that feds have roms that can do that, it sometimes makes for even longer matches when both teams consists of cloakers. It's just not as much fun as a match where there is constant fighting.
I don't like the argument that if you don't like it, play KDF or ROM. That's like saying the only solution to a cloaker is to become a cloaker. Is this what you really want? Would you really be happy if everyone on every team is flying a tvaro, for instance?
I do appreciate other suggestions on how to counter the cloak, so for that I thank you.
There is no solution, because that is in fact what a match with a enemy with stealth abilities is like. Part of the combat is hunting. You only consider it "boring" because you consider excitement running aroung pew-pewing.
Before we start DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES MOVE THIS THREAD THIS IS SOMETHING THE WHOLE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO DISCUSS!
Ok so as alot of you may know the issues with the whole Cloaking process. A vast majority of us including myself are pretty upset with Romulans and Klingons Cloaking at will in the middle of a fight. Let alone literaly 3 seconds after they just decloaked....
There needs to be a longer cooldown timer on Battle Cloak the Romulans and Klingons use...
Like maybe a 30 second cooldown at least and or most. This has gotten way out of hand..enough is enough..
Coming from Nova Core, a fleet of PvPers famous for spam console abuse and running from a fight?
The irony is probably lost on you, so: Pot. Kettle. Black. The cloaks work fine the way they are.
I really don't get the K'vort thing. There's literally nothing special about it: it's completely identical to the B'rel in all but size. By that logic you should also get the D-12 BoP, which ... is a B'rel with a different name.
Sure, you guys definitely lack ships and goodies, but that one? I don't get it.
I'm not personally wanting the K'vort, but I know the reasoning, it's quite simple:
Same reason people want stuff like the New Orleans and Norway classes.
They are on-screen ships. We saw these ships at one point or another in Star Trek.
For the K'vort in particular, I think some KDF see it as a means of finally getting a 5 tac console raptor or BoP, which we've never gotten.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
... I whine about lack of plot logic, jexsamx whines about the Be'ves not working properly, Kirkfat whines about lack of Foundry support (although he was tickled that they finally managed to get the ice caves map repaired) ...
I really don't get the K'vort thing. There's literally nothing special about it: it's completely identical to the B'rel in all but size. By that logic you should also get the D-12 BoP, which ... is a B'rel with a different name.
Sure, you guys definitely lack ships and goodies, but that one? I don't get it.
you could say why is the older b'rel in the game and not the k'vort? effectively it's meant to be the b'rels younger bigger brother. so if they resized the b'rel. give it fixed wings. 5 fore 2 aft or 4 fore and 3 aft and 5 tac consoles. more hull and less turn rate than the b'rel people would still buy it and it wouldn't be hard for them to make it either. it's also a commonly requested canon kdf ship. I fail to see why there resistance to it? is it because the feds can't have it? or because it might have battle cloak? lol
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2: You do realize there are abilities that can uncloak targets? (Ahhh shock mind blown right...) Also if you learned to time your abilities a well placed high yield on someone attempting to battle cloak can be deadly.
Anyways, battlecloaks ain't OP. They still have a 20 second base CD, which is a long time no matter what you are doing. A Klingon, if they use Embassy BOFFs might get that down to 15 seconds at best, but a Romulan can skirt to about 10 roughly depending on how much they are willing to spend on getting Superior traits.
The OP is looking at the symptom, and not the cause.
PS, not saying that anything should be buffed or nerfed.
The point hes trying to make is that it doesn?t matter how gimped the BoP or Warbirds are if they are only in a fight for less than 10 sec and hide away in a cloak and wait for its cool downs to run out its pretty much a one sided fight.
Again, it still isn't a big issue if just one or two on a team is doing that, it's just a style of play. My only beef is when the entire opposing team are cloaking. It takes forever to play the match because you're just waiting for them to decloak. You may catch them, you may not. It makes for a long, boring fight. Now that feds have roms that can do that, it sometimes makes for even longer matches when both teams consists of cloakers. It's just not as much fun as a match where there is constant fighting.
I don't like the argument that if you don't like it, play KDF or ROM. That's like saying the only solution to a cloaker is to become a cloaker. Is this what you really want? Would you really be happy if everyone on every team is flying a tvaro, for instance?
I do appreciate other suggestions on how to counter the cloak, so for that I thank you.
Suddenly I am curious your thoughts on this recent bout of " OMG! they cloak!" that the OP is suffering from?
R.I.P
R.I.P
I don't have a problem with the cloak itself, it just seems to be so many cloakers as to cause the matches to drag on more than my liking, which is all I was trying to say.
Vapers are a whole other issue that I won't get into.
Romulans not whining? Oh come on, it's a known fact that everyone whines around here.
And the KDF used to say that, but then the Feds whined about the KDF players saying that.
Good point, I guess everyone whines about something. Welcome to MMOs? :P
Look harder:
"feedback: complaint with FE ship"
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1016711
"Extremely disappointed in D'Deridex and it's c-store consoles "
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=971631
"No anniversary gifts for Romulans?"
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=998341
"Make them faster"
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1006901
"Scimitar Needs A Survivalibilty Buff"
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=928251
Take a look at all theships you have gotten and boff layouts. Look at all the ships and you have and the specialized sub roles they can do. No faction has the number of ships with specialized sub roles than the Feddies. We can't detect cloak here have nebula. Sci does not do the damage here have super grav well. OH NOES KDF has Theta, here now you have Theta. Feddie tears have been rewarded time and time again. No one plays KDF because why should they they have worse ship stats, while the KDF gets a certain ship with one boff layout, the feds get similar ship with 3 slightly different ones for more specialized. KDF ships are a jack of all trades but good at none. Feds jack of all trades but good at tac, or sci, or eng because you have tac ships geared toward sci and eng, you have cruisers geared towards tac and sci, you have sci ships geared towards tac and eng. Hell some would even say the KDF sci ships besides the BoP are nothing more slow moving bricks in space. Hell you guys even have an escort carrier.
Obviously a fed if you say that, I play all 3 (or 2.5) factions and by far feds take the cake in whining. I'm not saying any side is whine free or doesn't whine much but you're kidding yourself if you think feds don't whine the most.
R.I.P
These two posts only prove my point. Also, I capitulated about Roms not whining. Thanks for the links misterde3.
All of this is besides the point. This topic is about the cloak. Let's get back on topic please.
I don't think you can call the kdfs desire to be on par with the federation with content. either in playable story or in ships released 'whining'. even asking for a k'vort over and over isn't whining.
just for you, here is a link to your average federation player thread.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1017201
you may notice where it leads
My pleasure.:)
Most of them are still active still active (meaning been posted in in the last 30 days) maybe you have something to contribute there.
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that I might tend to think there is more to it then just a "desire to be on par with the federation with content." What does any of this have to do with the topic on hand, which is cloaking?
And Misterde3, if this thread is any indication, you won't be seeing any more posts out of me. I tried to contribute, and I got bullied. I'm all set.
... I whine about lack of plot logic, jexsamx whines about the Be'ves not working properly, Kirkfat whines about lack of Foundry support (although he was tickled that they finally managed to get the ice caves map repaired) ...
I really don't get the K'vort thing. There's literally nothing special about it: it's completely identical to the B'rel in all but size. By that logic you should also get the D-12 BoP, which ... is a B'rel with a different name.
Sure, you guys definitely lack ships and goodies, but that one? I don't get it.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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The cloaking ships are well balanced. The enhanced cloak ships cannot use energy weapons & torpedoes are TRIBBLE vs shields...plus the enhanced cloaked ships have the absolute weakest hulls and have shield DOWN when they are using the enhanced cloak. One shot is all you need to land on them to kill them.
Battle cloaks can only re-cloak after about 10 seconds or so have passed. Battle cloak ships have poor shield and hull HP compared to standard escorts and cruisers. If you complain that in 10 whole seconds you are unable to fight back, the problem lies with YOU.
Standard cloaks only allow re-cloak when not under red alert. This is the kind of cloak you seem to want to see... one that requires no effort from your part to adapt vs. a cloaking opponent.
Grow a pair and learn to fight against cloaking vessels. Theres half a dozen abilities that will cripple a cloak's effectiveness and more than plenty of tactics that negate the advantages of cloaked ships.
When I see whiners like you.. I don't know if to laugh in your face or give you a teddy bear. One with a little rainbow in its tummy.
Actually, if one wanted to get technical, they are both the same size, since they both used the same stock footage
Then take a break and see if you're still interested in a couple of weeks.;)
The thing is...STO's forums are certainly far away from being the worst out there but they're hardly a comfy place either. Before STO I was active in two forums, one was for a tabletop that's been out of production since 2002 with a very small and kind community, the other was for a community for Star Trek Birth of the Federation.
When I first came here, I was put off by the "style" (sorry, no other word I can find for it) typical here which is...harsh.
Some of it is based in the history of the game, and the KDF in particular, (been there, seen it, played it, have my own thread asking for them to fix a KDF ship whose model has been broken for 3 years) some of it is just the way some people think.
But whatever the cause you need a thick skin in many threads to not go bananas.
To be honest, I don't think that by this forum's standards anyone bullied you since there was no direct mention of you personally in the posts you listed.
People disagreed with you...a lot. And they certainly did so in a manner that reflects that...quantity of disagreement. But it's not bullying.
I don not know how long you have been playing but feds have been qqing about cloak since launch. They get their cloaks with Defiant and Gal-X and complain louder about BC and KDF carriers. Now Feds complain about Rommie cloaks when they have access to the ships if they roll a rommie. Feds that complain about the KDF or Rommies only play feds they do not roll a toon from the other factions to understand the short comings their only experience is the fact they got their TRIBBLE handed to them by a decloaking ship in PvP or in Ker'rat.
There is no solution, because that is in fact what a match with a enemy with stealth abilities is like. Part of the combat is hunting. You only consider it "boring" because you consider excitement running aroung pew-pewing.
Coming from Nova Core, a fleet of PvPers famous for spam console abuse and running from a fight?
The irony is probably lost on you, so: Pot. Kettle. Black. The cloaks work fine the way they are.
I'm not personally wanting the K'vort, but I know the reasoning, it's quite simple:
Same reason people want stuff like the New Orleans and Norway classes.
They are on-screen ships. We saw these ships at one point or another in Star Trek.
For the K'vort in particular, I think some KDF see it as a means of finally getting a 5 tac console raptor or BoP, which we've never gotten.
Hit it right on the nose
you could say why is the older b'rel in the game and not the k'vort? effectively it's meant to be the b'rels younger bigger brother. so if they resized the b'rel. give it fixed wings. 5 fore 2 aft or 4 fore and 3 aft and 5 tac consoles. more hull and less turn rate than the b'rel people would still buy it and it wouldn't be hard for them to make it either. it's also a commonly requested canon kdf ship. I fail to see why there resistance to it? is it because the feds can't have it? or because it might have battle cloak? lol