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J.J. Abrams, Here you go....

suntarusuntaru Member Posts: 40 Arc User
edited February 2014 in Ten Forward
This will help him fix the Timeline...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO1nvmDjofo&list=PL5h4ur_aSq8N5yx46vUjnNbsaQ74kcBLV



Enjoy:D
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  • timeladykatietimeladykatie Member Posts: 86 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    I've always just wanted the Relativity to show up when Nero went back and time and be like "Okay, we've seen how this plays out. Sorry, no. Timeship away~!"

    But this works too.
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  • ryan218ryan218 Member Posts: 36,106 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    You guys do realise that the Abramsverse is in an alternate timeline and hasn't actually overwritten the prime timeline, right? There's nothing for Abrams to fix. Now, I admit that I'm not too chuffed with the reboot, but they are at least decent films. Maybe not decent Star Trek films, but decent films none-the-less.

    Besides, it could have been worse.
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  • suntarusuntaru Member Posts: 40 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    This was just a joke video trying to get a smile from all. Nothing more. :)
  • moonshadowdarkmoonshadowdark Member Posts: 1,899 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Would that trick work on the Mirror Universe? Because these incursions are getting pretty annoying...
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  • kain9primekain9prime Member Posts: 739 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    suntaru wrote: »
    This was just a joke video trying to get a smile from all. Nothing more. :)
    The joke might have worked better if the timeline wasn't an alt reality like pretty much all the other alt realities that have ever been created in the history of Star Trek.

    The original timeline wasn't destroyed.

    It continues to exist.

    Nothing needs to be restored.


    Seriously, this constant internet stoning of JJ Trek and Abrams is just sad.


    :rolleyes:
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  • timeladykatietimeladykatie Member Posts: 86 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    C'mon, guys, it was a cute little joke. No need to destroy it by being pedantic.
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  • jam3s1701jam3s1701 Member Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    kain9prime wrote: »
    The joke might have worked better if the timeline wasn't an alt reality like pretty much all the other alt realities that have ever been created in the history of Star Trek.

    The original timeline wasn't destroyed.

    It continues to exist.

    Nothing needs to be restored.


    Seriously, this constant internet stoning of JJ Trek and Abrams is just sad.


    :rolleyes:


    Yet really warranted since its an abomination to Trek lol
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    edited February 2014
    good to see that Acme is doing well in the future
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    ryan218 wrote: »
    You guys do realise that the Abramsverse is in an alternate timeline and hasn't actually overwritten the prime timeline, right? There's nothing for Abrams to fix. Now, I admit that I'm not too chuffed with the reboot, but they are at least decent films. Maybe not decent Star Trek films, but decent films none-the-less.

    Besides, it could have been worse.

    Actually, the JJ Universe is a parallel universe. An alternate timeline is only different from the original timeline after the temporal change occurs. For example, in Back to the Future II, the history of the planet is completely the same for the two timelines until old Biff gives young Biff that Sports book. A parallel universe doesn't have to explain all the inconsistencies where the past is not the same like Khan being British, Caitians not being furry, and any future inconsistencies that will occur in future movies.
  • worffan101worffan101 Member Posts: 9,518 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    starkaos wrote: »
    Actually, the JJ Universe is a parallel universe. An alternate timeline is only different from the original timeline after the temporal change occurs. For example, in Back to the Future II, the history of the planet is completely the same for the two timelines until old Biff gives young Biff that Sports book. A parallel universe doesn't have to explain all the inconsistencies where the past is not the same like Khan being British, Caitians not being furry, and any future inconsistencies that will occur in future movies.

    Khan being British (i.e. Benedict Cumberbatch as Khan) is a classic case of Ability Over Appearance.

    Yes, there are plenty of very good Sikh and Indian actors. Yes, they would be fine as Khan. Yes, some of them would've been available. But Benedict Cumberbatch is one of the top 3 or 4 best actors in the world.

    And given that New Kirk (and his love interest) is a stick of wood, New McCoy is criminally underused, New Sulu and Uhura are only decent, and the rest of the cast is good but not great--Into Darkness needed Benedict Cumberbatch, who has more acting talent in his left eyebrow than New Kirk, the love interest, New McCoy and New Sulu have in their entire bodies. No offense to New McCoy, who is pretty good, and New Sulu, who is good unless you remember him as Harold from Harold&Kumar.
  • ryan218ryan218 Member Posts: 36,106 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    starkaos wrote: »
    Actually, the JJ Universe is a parallel universe. An alternate timeline is only different from the original timeline after the temporal change occurs. For example, in Back to the Future II, the history of the planet is completely the same for the two timelines until old Biff gives young Biff that Sports book. A parallel universe doesn't have to explain all the inconsistencies where the past is not the same like Khan being British, Caitians not being furry, and any future inconsistencies that will occur in future movies.

    By that logic, DS9 is in a parallel universe to TNG, where Trills looked completely different, and ENT, TNG, DS9 and VOY all occurred in parallel universes to TOS, where Romulans didn't have a forehead ridge.

    You can't have it both ways. Unless stated otherwise, either by Paramount or CBS, JJ Trek is in an alternate timeline.

    Besides, Star Trek has enough inconsistencies just in TOS to forgive casting a Brit as Khan - especially when that Brit has more acting talent than who JJ would have probably gotten otherwise. As worffan said, it was a case of ability over appearance. And there are plenty of possible explanations for it, such as cosmetic alteration.
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  • revandarklighterrevandarklighter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Time Travel in Star trek always worked based on that overwritten-timeline idea. That' goes for almost every time travel from tos to voyager.

    There is nothing that indicates the Abrahams time travel would work in ANY different way them all the other time travels in this particular universe.

    So basically the only explanation that saves the original universe from beeing overwritten is the theory that Nero and Spock traveled into another universe from the beginning (just like the Defaint of the original universe in tos traveled to the past of the mirror universe seen in enterprise) or even further , the Spock and the Nero were from a parallel universe in the first place and traveled in that universes past/ even another universes past.


    But no, if it's "just" time travel the original timeline is toast. Period.
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  • ryan218ryan218 Member Posts: 36,106 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    revandarklighter wrote: »
    Time Travel in Star trek always worked based on that overwritten-timeline idea. That' goes for almost every time travel from tos to voyager.

    There is nothing that indicates the Abrahams time travel would work in ANY different way them all the other time travels in this particular universe.

    So basically the only explanation that saves the original universe from beeing overwritten is the theory that Nero and Spock traveled into another universe from the beginning (just like the Defaint of the original universe in tos traveled to the past of the mirror universe seen in enterprise) or even further , the Spock and the Nero were from a parallel universe in the first place and traveled in that universes past/ even another universes past.


    But no, if it's "just" time travel the original timeline is toast. Period.

    The only problem with this is TNG: Parallels, where they confirm Quantum Realities in Star Trek Lore. These are alternate timelines, not parallel universes.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    revandarklighter wrote: »
    Time Travel in Star trek always worked based on that overwritten-timeline idea. That' goes for almost every time travel from tos to voyager.

    There is nothing that indicates the Abrahams time travel would work in ANY different way them all the other time travels in this particular universe.

    So basically the only explanation that saves the original universe from beeing overwritten is the theory that Nero and Spock traveled into another universe from the beginning (just like the Defaint of the original universe in tos traveled to the past of the mirror universe seen in enterprise) or even further , the Spock and the Nero were from a parallel universe in the first place and traveled in that universes past/ even another universes past.


    But no, if it's "just" time travel the original timeline is toast. Period.

    Exactly. The drama in that DS9 episode with the descendants of the Defiant crew would not exist if they existed in an alternate timeline. Too many episodes in Enterprise dealt with saving the timeline from being overwritten by space TRIBBLE, sphere builders, or some other enemy. I can't think of a single Star Trek episode where alternate timelines were created.

    Since Old Spock is not trying to stop Nero from destroying Kirk's dad's ship and all evidence of tampering with the timeline in Star Trek points to destroying the original timeline, then there is only two possibilities. Spock got sick and tired of the Prime Universe and let it be destroyed or the JJ Universe is merely a parallel universe that is running about 150 years behind the Prime Universe.
  • revandarklighterrevandarklighter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    ryan218 wrote: »
    The only problem with this is TNG: Parallels, where they confirm Quantum Realities in Star Trek Lore. These are alternate timelines, not parallel universes.

    I don't see a problem there. Different quantum realities and time travel are not necessarily connected in general , and they are not connected in this episode.
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,966 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    And people wonder why I hate time travel plots. They're never consistent with one another.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    ryan218 wrote: »
    The only problem with this is TNG: Parallels, where they confirm Quantum Realities in Star Trek Lore. These are alternate timelines, not parallel universes.

    Actually no it doesn't.

    Data: Yes, sir. I cannot explain it. It is as if he originates from a different quantum universe.

    Data: For any event, there is an infinite number of possible outcomes. Our choices determine which outcome will follow. But there is a theory in quantum physics that all possibilities that could happen do happen in alternate quantum realities.

    There is absolutely no evidence of alternate timelines in that episode. A parallel universe can be an alternate quantum reality that is almost completely identical except for some a few minor changes or it could be a universe where the laws of physics that we are governed by are replaced by other laws like Magic.
  • revandarklighterrevandarklighter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    starswordc wrote: »
    And people wonder why I hate time travel plots. They're never consistent with one another.

    Actually in Star Trek they generally are, believe it or not.
    In at least 85% time travel follows the same laws, about 10% do not contradict the other 90 % and at best 5% conflict with them. (And the jj verse is in the 10%' it does NOT conflict since the movie at no point mentions or even hints that time travel works differently here)

    Therefore Star Trek is more consistent in that then in questions like "beaming though shields" or ship sizes,,,
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  • ryan218ryan218 Member Posts: 36,106 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    starkaos wrote: »
    Actually no it doesn't.

    Data: Yes, sir. I cannot explain it. It is as if he originates from a different quantum universe.

    Data: For any event, there is an infinite number of possible outcomes. Our choices determine which outcome will follow. But there is a theory in quantum physics that all possibilities that could happen do happen in alternate quantum realities.

    There is absolutely no evidence of alternate timelines in that episode. A parallel universe can be an alternate quantum reality that is almost completely identical except for some a few minor changes or it could be a universe where the laws of physics that we are governed by are replaced by other laws like Magic.

    One problem:
    Data: For any event, there is an infinite number of possible outcomes. Our choices determine which outcome will follow. But there is a theory in quantum physics that all possibilities that could happen do happen in alternate quantum realities.

    That, in itself, defines an alternate timeline; where everything is the same up until a certain point, in the case of JJ Trek, the arrival of the Narada.
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  • revandarklighterrevandarklighter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    ryan218 wrote: »
    One problem:



    That, in itself, defines an alternate timeline; where everything is the same up until a certain point, in the case of JJ Trek, the arrival of the Narada.

    No, datas explanation is litarally the definition of an alternate reality not timeline.
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  • ryan218ryan218 Member Posts: 36,106 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    revandarklighter wrote: »
    No, datas explanation is litarally the definition of an alternate reality not timeline.

    His explanation defines both: a Quantum Reality is one where everything is the same as ours until a certain point. An alternate timeline is one where everything is the same as ours until a certain point - in this case the arrival of the Narada. And quantum mechanics defines them as the SAME thing as well!
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  • revandarklighterrevandarklighter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    ryan218 wrote: »
    His explanation defines both: a Quantum Reality is one where everything is the same as ours until a certain point. An alternate timeline is one where everything is the same as ours until a certain point - in this case the arrival of the Narada. And quantum mechanics defines them as the SAME thing as well!

    No it isn't.
    Also- from a time mechanical point, there is no difference between the Narrada arriving in the past in the jar jar trek film and the Enterprise E arriving in the past in first contact. Still we know exactly that the timeline would have been overwritten there, otherwise the enterprise e crew would not have been able to see the changed timeline in the presence.
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  • lilchibiclarililchibiclari Member Posts: 1,193 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    revandarklighter wrote: »
    So basically the only explanation that saves the original universe from beeing overwritten is the theory that Nero and Spock traveled into another universe from the beginning (just like the Defaint of the original universe in tos traveled to the past of the mirror universe seen in enterprise) or even further , the Spock and the Nero were from a parallel universe in the first place and traveled in that universes past/ even another universes past.

    I thought that Spock (flying the Jellyfish) did not arrive until years after Nero did?
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