No, it wasn't handed to me. I ground out the Dilithium, converted it to Zen and bought the packs.
I worked to get the "money" for the packs and was lucky to have pulled it, just like everyone else who ever pulled the damned ship.
Handing it to me would be what you and the OP are hoping for and having Cryptic just throw them on the Dil store.
TLDR?
Quit *****ing and get to work.
Nope, it still got handed to you. You didn't work harder than anyone else: you just, like you say, got lucky. Like ppl opening their first lockbox ever, and immediately hitting the jackpot. That just happens; no big deal. But don't pretend like you're more deserving, or worked harder, than anyone else: there are ppl (not me) who opened like 300 lock boxes, and got nothing. That too just happens.
You're welcome to your good fortune, really; but don't appropriate your luck as 'hard work.' If you had bought the bug ship, on exchange, for 500 mil, now *that* would justify your claim about getting it the hard way.
No, it wasn't handed to me. I ground out the Dilithium, converted it to Zen and bought the packs.
I worked to get the "money" for the packs and was lucky to have pulled it, just like everyone else who ever pulled the damned ship.
Handing it to me would be what you and the OP are hoping for and having Cryptic just throw them on the Dil store.
TLDR?
Quit *****ing and get to work.
I have a bug ship too but I ground it out for the fact that its the best escort, the pets are just a bonus perk. I don't think making the pets exclusive is something that needs to be permanent. It was nice but lets not punish people forever, it won't harm us.
I have a bug ship too but I ground it out for the fact that its the best escort, the pets are just a bonus perk. I don't think making the pets exclusive is something that needs to be permanent. It was nice but lets not punish people forever, it won't harm us.
That ship is Cryptic's cash cow. They'd rather loose 1,000 players a week than to let that ship not be their cash cow. As I've said many times now, I worked for the JHDC because it (and the recluse) were arguably the best carriers in the game. When I found out that my hard work of 3 months of grinding, becoming a Sliver member and $300 USD wasn't enough to get a JHDC carrier pet that's supposed to come with the Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier I worked so hard to get, I realized what type of company Cryptic is. I also regretted my decision and felt that I should have gone for the Recluse instead.
Anyone whom owns a JHDC without the JHAS that's supposed to come with it,..knows how I feel. If you're the few that have the JHAS and the JHDC you are on the flip side of the coin. Just image how it would feel if you did what you did to get the JHDC and you didn't have the JHAS that you have now. How would you feel? Would you still make the comments that you've made?
I've given up on Cryptic changing their minds. I've lost all respect for them (not only for bashing the name "Star Trek" but for this issue with the JHAS pets), I know my words (and your words) mean nothing to them. They are in the business of making money by any means.
That is all.
One day Cryptic will be free from their Perfect World overlord. Until that day comes, they will continue to pamper the whales of this game, and ignore everyone that isn't a whale.
to OP.... i doubt it will ever happen.... start grindin ur Dil & EC cause it wont be long b4 the JHAS will drop again... make sure ur ready for it if u really want it
the only thing that gets my goat bout this topic is the amount of people that seem to be under the impression u need to be rich (real world) to be able to afford this ship.... only players that have $500 to throw around can obtain this ship... so not ture
Iv been playing this game for near 2 years now and always F2P, the only time iv spent real money on this game was to sub for a month a couple of times but i managed to purchase my JHAS after only 6/7 months playing... cost me 215 Mil EC and was very happy i had achieved this great purchase in a short time...
and yes i got the full Jem'hadar set for this toon... he looks like a Jem, has the Mk XII ground&space Jem sets from lobi store, the JHEC, JHDC and the elite pets.... all obtained with hard graft.
so the point.... play smarter and know what u want and get it
to OP.... i doubt it will ever happen.... start grindin ur Dil & EC cause it wont be long b4 the JHAS will drop again... make sure ur ready for it if u really want it
the only thing that gets my goat bout this topic is the amount of people that seem to be under the impression u need to be rich (real world) to be able to afford this ship.... only players that have $500 to throw around can obtain this ship... so not ture
Iv been playing this game for near 2 years now and always F2P, the only time iv spent real money on this game was to sub for a month a couple of times but i managed to purchase my JHAS after only 6/7 months playing... cost me 215 Mil EC and was very happy i had achieved this great purchase in a short time...
and yes i got the full Jem'hadar set for this toon... he looks like a Jem, has the Mk XII ground&space Jem sets from lobi store, the JHEC, JHDC and the elite pets.... all obtained with hard graft.
so the point.... play smarter and know what u want and get it
Your right. One could grind ec for an extended amount of time for a ship they don't want so they can buy the other half of the ship they like.
No sane person would not be completely burnt out after such a grind.
Also if I had a bug it would be stupid to use it on anything but a rom..... My fed has the carrier........
The attack ship was always a special ship and the most expensive to obtain. That you want it doesn't changes the fact or entitles you to it. Live is unfair, deal with it.
You know, in the olden days of MMOs people grinded for years, actual years to get one item they wanted.
There is some logic here a little crude in its delivery but still there.
In Phantasy star Universe I spent 3 years getting a sword called the Agito
In 3 years I never lost sight of that goal. Things are different now though surely we can all see that. As much as we would like to pretend the old way of doing things should come back none of us truly want that.
This is the age of convenience all but specifically limited time items should be available....for a price....
I would suggest we treat cryptic and PWE as a ferangi they are out to make a profit its our job to make sure we get what we want in return
There is some logic here a little crude in its delivery but still there.
In Phantasy star Universe I spent 3 years getting a sword called the Agito
And in STO people spend 3 years getting the JHAS.
The point is not that the JHAS is hard to get, or even should be, but that possession of this ship is required in order to obtain a pet.. for a ship that is not even itself the JHAS. And the latter, LOL, can't even fit pets.
And the above, man friend, is as silly as saying you can buy Fleet Anti-Proton weapons, but you are required to buy a Voth Bulwark too.
The Jem Bug was released in the Winter Event, 2011: December to Jan. So at best they have been at it 2 years and 1 month.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
The point is not that the JHAS is hard to get, or even should be, but that possession of this ship is required in order to obtain a pet.. for a ship that is not even itself the JHAS. And the latter, LOL, can't even fit pets.
And the above, man friend, is as silly as saying you can buy Fleet Anti-Proton weapons, but you are required to buy a Voth Bulwark too.
Exactly...hence why I have my sig
I was someone that supported Cryptic by giving them money.
I've purchased a these ships with real world money
Atrox
Aventine Class (sister of the Vesta)
My JHDC
Advanced Multi-Vector Escort
I used to keep about 5,000 zen on my account using real world money. I never really cared to "grind" because I liked the game. I wanted them to stay in business, hence I spent real world money to help them. But after I was played,...I dropped my silver membership, talked 5 of my Trekky friends (whom are fanatics) out of even downloading this game and haven't spent a penny since August 2013.
One day Cryptic will be free from their Perfect World overlord. Until that day comes, they will continue to pamper the whales of this game, and ignore everyone that isn't a whale.
AND for Cryptic/PWE to continue to profit off it's monetization
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Make the JHAS a lobi store ship...800 lobi for a ship like the rest, single character unlock
Cryptic makes lots of money off the people buying lockbox keys or doff packs to grind enough lobi crystals to buy the ship
Players have ready access to the ship they want, and the subsequent hangar unlock, as long as they're willing to grind heavily or pay outright
that's my two cents anyway, seems to me a win/win
First let me start by saying I'm continually pissed off about this whole situation of locking the JHAS pets from the JHDC by requiring the most rare, expensive *escort* in the game - which will go unused by those who only want it for their JHDC.
I get it. It's supposed to be rare, hard to get, yada yada yada. Whatever. Call it what you want. It's greed, pure and simple, on Cryptic's part to milk those who want it for as much as possible.
Regarding the above quote. I think I have a better solution that would be sufficient to current JHAS owners and JHDC owners (who can't get the JHAS) alike.
Put the JHAS frigates (and frigates ONLY) in the lobi store. I'd even pay upwards of 800 lobis for it, even if they were regular white versions. It's not the ideal solution for JHDC, and it certainly is not fair when comparing other carriers that have unlocked frigates from the get-go, but it at least makes the pets obtainable in some fashion, and a goal to strive for.
Let's face it. I (and many others, obviously) will be damned if I'm going to farm for over a year to afford the EC for one (not that there are even any on the exchange anyways...), pay $160-300+ on a third party website, or spend ungodly amounts of money on a "lottery" whenever it comes again - if it even does.
So:
1. Put JHAS frigates on lobi store - 400 to 800 lobi cost. Make them whites for all I care; character-bound on pickup so they cannot be sold on the exchange, and a requirement of owning the JHDC. Just make them AVAILABLE without a completely stupid and artificial gate that requires owning a different class of ship that will sit in your inventory and collect dust.
2. JHAS owners don't get pissed because the JHAS itself is still rare and pretty much unobtainable at this point. Continue to celebrate your fantastic luck/hundreds of dollars of expenditure. Good for you.
3. JHDC owners can finally get their frigates. Sure, they may be white versions for an inflated cost, but you can upgrade them to advanced/elite with the proper grind (same as other frigates). REJOICE!
I do agree the the limitation to actually own the bugship to have the pets is just silly in comparison with...erm, all the other comparable carrier ship sets that I can think of. THAT is the issue that people are still bent up about (myself included).
I've talked myself into the idea of flying the bug itself as the idea of spending that on just the pet for my dread physically hurts me, if I were lucky enough to drop it (like a normal lockbox ship or something) I probably wouldn't fly it, I just prefer carriers and cruisers generally.
I'm sure there are many out there that are pissed about not being able to fly it, but the majority seem to only seem to want the pet, and let's be frank, for a pet the price is simply insane.
For the flyable ship, yeah sure keep it crazy expensive or whatever you want to do but sort out the pet issue.
As others have previously mentioned give us SOME more feaseable way of obtaining this pet, leave the flyable bugs for the elitists.
Bearing reference to my previous post on another thread about communication from the team this would probably be an ideal way to finally clarify the issue and get the rage over and done with, so any future threads can just be linked to it. I think everyone would like that idea at least.
Pro or con cryptic, give us some clarification as to whether this is something we will have to live with or if there are ANY future plans to alter its availability, especially given the arrival of the bulwark in recent times.
"If this will be our end, then I will have them make SUCH an end as to be worthy of rememberance! Out of torpedos you say?! Find me the ferengi!".
First let me start by saying I'm continually pissed off about this whole situation of locking the JHAS pets from the JHDC by requiring the most rare, expensive *escort* in the game - which will go unused by those who only want it for their JHDC.
I get it. It's supposed to be rare, hard to get, yada yada yada. Whatever. Call it what you want. It's greed, pure and simple, on Cryptic's part to milk those who want it for as much as possible.
Regarding the above quote. I think I have a better solution that would be sufficient to current JHAS owners and JHDC owners (who can't get the JHAS) alike.
Put the JHAS frigates (and frigates ONLY) in the lobi store. I'd even pay upwards of 800 lobis for it, even if they were regular white versions. It's not the ideal solution for JHDC, and it certainly is not fair when comparing other carriers that have unlocked frigates from the get-go, but it at least makes the pets obtainable in some fashion, and a goal to strive for.
Let's face it. I (and many others, obviously) will be damned if I'm going to farm for over a year to afford the EC for one (not that there are even any on the exchange anyways...), pay $160-300+ on a third party website, or spend ungodly amounts of money on a "lottery" whenever it comes again - if it even does.
So:
1. Put JHAS frigates on lobi store - 400 to 800 lobi cost. Make them whites for all I care; character-bound on pickup so they cannot be sold on the exchange, and a requirement of owning the JHDC. Just make them AVAILABLE without a completely stupid and artificial gate that requires owning a different class of ship that will sit in your inventory and collect dust.
2. JHAS owners don't get pissed because the JHAS itself is still rare and pretty much unobtainable at this point. Continue to celebrate your fantastic luck/hundreds of dollars of expenditure. Good for you.
3. JHDC owners can finally get their frigates. Sure, they may be white versions for an inflated cost, but you can upgrade them to advanced/elite with the proper grind (same as other frigates). REJOICE!
4. Profit (literally - Cryptic, you listening?)
Case in point. And I honestly believe this would account for the majority of JHAS-flying players.
I said that they should have put the Hanger Bugs in the Lobi shop has soon has they pulled this TRIBBLE job with the JHDC.
The Greed meter was set to the highest level when they decided to lock the Hanger Bugs behind needing to own the JHDC and the JHAS.
Cryptic could have made a good amount of profit by offering the Hager Bugs in the Lobi shop for 200-400 Lobi each and even at that price they would have sold and continued to sell and the popularity of the JHDC would be even higher than it is now.
The move did not make any sense by any stretch of the imagination and I argue that it did more to hurt Cryptic's PR than help it.
Its been almost 2 years now and not one DEV ever responded to the questions that many of us asked about why such a move was done with the JHDC and why the move was never reconsidered.
The Lobi shop was always to best option to go with if they wanted to milk the owners of the JHDC and sadly I think that Cryptic knew that but instead chose to try to bleed has much out of the players that wanted the Hanger Bugs has they could.
I do agree the the limitation to actually own the bugship to have the pets is just silly in comparison with...erm, all the other comparable carrier ship sets that I can think of. THAT is the issue that people are still bent up about (myself included).
I've talked myself into the idea of flying the bug itself as the idea of spending that on just the pet for my dread physically hurts me, if I were lucky enough to drop it (like a normal lockbox ship or something) I probably wouldn't fly it, I just prefer carriers and cruisers generally.
I'm sure there are many out there that are pissed about not being able to fly it, but the majority seem to only seem to want the pet, and let's be frank, for a pet the price is simply insane.
For the flyable ship, yeah sure keep it crazy expensive or whatever you want to do but sort out the pet issue.
As others have previously mentioned give us SOME more feaseable way of obtaining this pet, leave the flyable bugs for the elitists.
Bearing reference to my previous post on another thread about communication from the team this would probably be an ideal way to finally clarify the issue and get the rage over and done with, so any future threads can just be linked to it. I think everyone would like that idea at least.
Pro or con cryptic, give us some clarification as to whether this is something we will have to live with or if there are ANY future plans to alter its availability, especially given the arrival of the bulwark in recent times.
I think that Cryptic's silence on the subject is a statement in itself. They do not find the current mechanic to be game breaking, and that it does not need any attention. It was stated in the dev blog that the pets were a bonus for those who already had the attack ship unpacked. All the details were there. Nothing else was promised.
The Greed meter was set to the highest level when they decided to lock the Hanger Bugs behind needing to own the JHDC and the JHAS.
Cryptic could have made a good amount of profit by offering the Hager Bugs in the Lobi shop for 200-400 Lobi each and even at that price they would have sold and continued to sell and the popularity of the JHDC would be even higher than it is now.
The move did not make any sense by any stretch of the imagination and I argue that it did more to hurt Cryptic's PR than help it.
Agreed 101%. Considering the price/effort (and as of now, simple unavailability) it is to attain the JHAS just for the pets, it almost hurts my brain to think about how much money Cryptic is losing out on by not putting the pets in the Lobi store. They really are shooting themselves in the foot with this "marketing strategy." Considering how obviously greedy they are in the first place, I am quite surprised that they haven't adopted either the Lobi method, or a Zen method of purchase (again, restricted to those who have a JHDC).
I think that Cryptic's silence on the subject is a statement in itself. They do not find the current mechanic to be game breaking, and that it does not need any attention. It was stated in the dev blog that the pets were a bonus for those who already had the attack ship unpacked. All the details were there. Nothing else was promised.
They are free to state whatever they want, even if it's so blatantly obvious that it's just a BS money-grubbing marketing scheme created in order to milk a player for as much money as possible. It doesn't change the fact that they made a frigate only usable by the JHDC and then locked them behind the most rare and expensive Escort (a ship that would only collect dust by carrier captains), something that no other pet in the game suffers from.
Agreed, I just think given the length of time and the aparent interest in these pets when compared to other things that have been sorted ingame based on player feedback in a much shorter length of time that this issue cannot have escaped the eye of the team in some fashion.
In that regard it might be nice to have perhaps either a re-itterance or statement of a rethink.
I don't think the current availability of this ship is a game "mechanic"issue pe say,more of a playerbase feesback issue regarding hangar pets.
"If this will be our end, then I will have them make SUCH an end as to be worthy of rememberance! Out of torpedos you say?! Find me the ferengi!".
Agreed 101%. Considering the price/effort (and as of now, simple unavailability) it is to attain the JHAS just for the pets, it almost hurts my brain to think about how much money Cryptic is losing out on by not putting the pets in the Lobi store. They really are shooting themselves in the foot with this "marketing strategy." Considering how obviously greedy they are in the first place, I am quite surprised that they haven't adopted either the Lobi method, or a Zen method of purchase (again, restricted to those who have a JHDC).
I have an idea that their numbers are telling them differently. Just because you want it right now, doesn't mean that that they are going to change any long term strategy. I have an idea that it may be released again in another pack to encourage 'enthusiasm'.
They are free to state whatever they want, even if it's so blatantly obvious that it's just a BS money-grubbing marketing scheme created in order to milk a player for as much money as possible. It doesn't change the fact that they made a frigate only usable by the JHDC and then locked them behind the most rare and expensive Escort (a ship that would only collect dust by carrier captains), something that no other pet in the game suffers from.
How is Cryptic milking anyone for anything when it is unavailable from them at the moment? The only one's who have a JHAS available at the moment are players (who by the way are the ones setting the price by way of how free markets work.)
I have an idea that their numbers are telling them differently.
Then we can agree to disagree. Only Cryptic has the hard numbers, and there is no realistic way to know the potential profit that could be made if they were to offer alternative methods to attain the pets by themselves. All we can do is speculate, but it is my speculation that a continuous revenue stream could be made by making the pets available by these alternate means. It would also go an extremely long way to making JHDC owners happy (kinda). But clearly QoL improvements are not on Cryptics to-do list in this regard.
Allowing this alternate method of obtaining the pets would not all of a sudden render a Bug-laced DOFF pack (or whatever) invalid all of a sudden, either. Certainly those captains that would like the Bug itself would still play the lottery, and most likely a portion of those who have the JHDC would as well...because they may get lucky, after all, and be able to save the Lobi instead.
Just because you want it right now, doesn't mean that that they are going to change any long term strategy. I have an idea that it may be released again in another pack to encourage 'enthusiasm'.
It's not that I "want it right now" - hell, I've wanted them since I got my JHDC, as I'm sure most JHDC captains have. It's the extraordinarily high cost of attainment that's prevented me (and most) from getting them. And I won't be caving in to their greed and paying $160-$300 (either via DOFF pack lottery, a 3rd party website, etc.) for a virtual in-game pet or EC grind for a year or more of my life to get them, either. Sure, some people with lots of cash to blow may opt for that route, and more power to them - but that doesn't justify the artificial gating in the first place. "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should." Cryptic seems to throw quality-of-life issues out of the window in order to make a quick buck, and that will hurt them more than help them in the long run.
How is Cryptic milking anyone for anything when it is unavailable from them at the moment? The only one's who have a JHAS available at the moment are players (who by the way are the ones setting the price by way of how free markets work.)
Clearly Cryptic isn't milking anyone right now. That much is obvious. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. You linked an old dev blog, so my comment was in regards to the past (and possibly future) milking that has/will occur regarding the JHAS. The only milking going on right now is from other players - there are even Ferengis in this thread trying to hustle their unopened Bugs to people that are rightfully [still] pissed off about the situation.
There sure is a lot of TRIBBLE fluster in here from the have-nots. The JHDC works quite well with Scorpions, Widows, even Swarmers honestly. Or Yellowstones. Peregrines. Interceptors. Pretty much anything. JHAS are nice, I should know I spent 350m EC on a JHAS just to get them, but they're not absolutely necessary to have in order to get performance out of the JHDC.
Cryptic sees nothing wrong with how it is, people like you have been beating the drum of ~zomg greedy plz fix!~ for over a year to no effect. It ain't changing. Deal with it, move on. Get a Recluse if you can't bear the idea of flying a carrier without its frigate pet.
Then we can agree to disagree. Only Cryptic has the hard numbers, and there is no realistic way to know the potential profit that could be made if they offer alternative methods to attain the pets by themselves. All we can do is speculate, but it is my speculation that a continuous revenue stream could be made by making the pets available by these alternate means. It would also go an extremely long way to making JHDC owners happy (kinda). But clearly QoL improvements are not on Cryptics to-do list in this regard.
That's true, it is just speculation. Which is why I think that there is a long term plan to use them as a way to encourage people to buy things, like the duty officer packs, or something down the road.
And it's not that I "want it right now" - hell, I've wanted them since I got my JHDC, as I'm sure most JHDC captains have. It's the extraordinarily high cost of attainment that's prevented me (and most) from getting them. And I won't be caving in to their greed and paying $160-$300 (either via DOFF packs, or a 3rd party website) for a virtual in-game pet or EC grind for a year and a half of my life to get them, either. Sure, some people with lots of cash to blow may opt for that route, and more power to them - but that doesn't justify the artificial gating in the first place. "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should."
That would be your choice not to pay lots of money for something you desire. Which is a good thing, I think. The downside is the opportunity for you to get one may be passed up should they chose to rerelease them. That wouldn't be Cryptic's fault necessarily as the ships would be made available again.
Clearly they aren't milking anyone right now. That much is obvious. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. You linked an old dev blog, so my comment was in regards to the past (and probably future) milking that will occur regarding the JHAS.
That link was to show that Cryptic had said from the start that the pets were tied to ownership of the JHAS. The point was to blunt the complaints of Cryptic not mentioning it.
As far as the 'milking' goes, yes, they will probably rerelease it as a prize in another pack or something. It's too good a prize not to keep it as a carrot.
The conspirator in me wonders if they plan to tie the JHAS in with ARC, and make it so new ARC users can buy the pets. ARC would be required to be kept running in the background in order for the pets to continue to function. I wonder how many of the ARC hate crowd would jump onto ARC? :eek:
Cryptic sees nothing wrong with how it is, people like you have been beating the drum of ~zomg greedy plz fix!~ for over a year to no effect. It ain't changing. Deal with it, move on. Get a Recluse if you can't bear the idea of flying a carrier without its frigate pet.
Oh, I see, so you work for Cryptic then? :rolleyes:
The "deal with it and shut up" or "buy something else" attitude is not a good way to retain active player numbers and fan loyalty (let alone subs). Most sane people will only spend so much money and time and getting screwed over by this and that before they've had enough and quit. It's the same exact reason many of my friends recently abandoned SW:ToR.
Offering alternative suggestions (that, by the way, still make Cryptic profits) is not a waste of time, regardless of how much you hate these threads.
On that note, we can QQ all we want about it. Don't like the whine? I suggest you take your own advice...
The conspirator in me wonders if they plan to tie the JHAS in with ARC, and make it so new ARC users can buy the pets. ARC would be required to be kept running in the background in order for the pets to continue to function. I wonder how many of the ARC hate crowd would jump onto ARC? :eek:
Funny you mention the tie-in with ARC. I've stated on their latest "ARC bribe" thread that just about the only way I'd download/use ARC was if they made the JHAS pets available. Lol!
The "deal with it and shut up" or "buy something else" attitude is not a good way to retain active player numbers and fan loyalty (let alone subs). Most sane people will only spend so much money and time and getting screwed over by this and that before they've had enough and quit.
And giving people everything they want will kill them game.
But the Jem pet issue is probably the last dumb idea that Cryptic hasn't fixed.
There are many fixes they could do for it with minimal effort. (like stop allowing frigates to be fixed onto certain carriers). Frigates should all be allowed on all full carriers just like the fighters. It doesn't make sense that it isn't that way (except keep the BOP with the voq).
There are new thread like this weekly for years and cryptic has never ever said anything.
Oh, I see, so you work for Cryptic then? :rolleyes:
The "deal with it and shut up" or "buy something else" attitude is not a good way to retain active player numbers and fan loyalty (let alone subs). Most sane people will only spend so much money and time and getting screwed over by this and that before they've had enough and quit. It's the same exact reason many of my friends recently abandoned SW:ToR.
Offering alternative suggestions (that, by the way, still make Cryptic profits) is not a waste of time, regardless of how much you hate these threads.
On that note, we can QQ all we want about it. Don't like the whine? I suggest you take your own advice...
"Deal with it, and move on."
You'd think that if they were interested in these alternative suggestions, which have come up plenty of times I assure you, that they'd of implemented one of them by now. They're clearly interested in maintaining the rarity and desirability of the JHAS even though you can get most of its performance out of far more readily available ships now at days. One of those ways is via the JHAS pets only being available when you own a JHAS.
You're right about one thing at least, if it makes you feel any better. You can cry your little eyes out about the shiny you don't have all you want. You're still not going to get what you want and just end up looking like a fool for it. You're not getting screwed out of anything. There's merely one shiny you don't have access to without a hefty investment. Somehow you'll live on despite it.
They're clearly interested in maintaining the rarity and desirability of the JHAS even though you can get most of its performance out of far more readily available ships now at days. One of those ways is via the JHAS pets only being available when you own a JHAS.
Clearly. Then again, if the same performance is readily available via other pets, then why is there still an artificial gate on the pets? Surely they could design a new shiny that's even better than the JHAS to milk people for. With all the power creep in the game, I'm surprised they haven't already.
You're right about one thing at least, if it makes you feel any better. You can cry your little eyes out about the shiny you don't have all you want. You're still not going to get what you want and just end up looking like a fool for it. You're not getting screwed out of anything. There's merely one shiny you don't have access to without a hefty investment. Somehow you'll live on despite it.
As much as you'd like to believe, I don't think anyone here is crying. Nor do I think anyone looks like a fool for asking for a reliable means of obtaining something without a real-world cost attachment of several hundred dollars equivalent. If you think that makes someone look like a fool, then that's your opinion I suppose. But I think you're just here to troll anyways (and you aren't the only one), since you've added nothing relevant to the discussion.
As much as you'd like to believe, I don't think anyone here is crying. Nor do I think anyone looks like a fool for asking for a reliable means of obtaining something without a real-world cost attachment of several hundred dollars equivalent. If you think that makes someone look like a fool, then that's your opinion I suppose. But I think you're just here to troll anyways (and you aren't the only one), since you've added nothing relevant to the discussion.
I'd dare say that I've added a lot to this discussion. Namely that this has all happened before, it will all happen again, and the outcome will never go in the favor of those like yourself.
1. I think that one reason they haven't addressed this issue is because they don't have another cash cow to milk. If they stop using the JHAS, what will be it's replacement? Therefore, they say nothing and reserve the ship for DOFF packs.
2. Cryptic's method of ignoring "bugs" is very well known amongst us forum goers. They ignore the in game bugs, and they ignore this (almost) 2 year old bug/frigate issue
3. I support a C-Store or Lobi store version of the JHAS pet. I care nothing for the actual ship. I have used almost every compatible carrier pet with my JHDC (except the Yellowstone), and it's about immersion. Just seeing how I have Jem Hadar Fighters and not a Jem Hadar Attack Ship, takes away from the immersion. I know it's petty to some,...but that's just how I feel.
4. I think Cryptic does not want to put their foot in their mouth. If they say something is "final" then change their mind,..they know that we (the community) would not let them forget it.
5. They can even have a public vote on what we JHDCD owners would feel is a "reasonable compromise" to this on going problem. But again,...they say and do nothing.
Now please excuse me,...I'm going to go play some STF's with my flagship JHDC. I think I'll invite some of my Scimitar friends and have a race to see whom can blow things up the fastest.:D
One day Cryptic will be free from their Perfect World overlord. Until that day comes, they will continue to pamper the whales of this game, and ignore everyone that isn't a whale.
I'd dare say that I've added a lot to this discussion. Namely that this has all happened before, it will all happen again, and the outcome will never go in the favor of those like yourself.
Yes and I for one will never stop stating how upset I was about the precedent that Cryptic set with this move.
No other Full Carrier in this game has its Frigates that can only be used with it gated away behind needing to own the player controlled ship that its frigates are based off of.
2 date I've bought 2 JHAS off the exchange, one for 320 Million EC and another for 360 Million EC and I sold them both for 500 Million.
You'll find that many players who are upset with the fact that the Hanger Bugs for the JHDC are locked away behind needing to own the JHAS have more than enough EC to buy the overpriced God ship but still feel that the Hanger Bugs being locked away from the only Carrier that can use them is just plan wrong.
I have no interest in flying the Bug ship and I for one would never waste that much EC just to get an unlock to by the Frigates for my JHDC; however, if I could use them on any full Carrier, I'd do it in a heart beat
Let me see ... Jem'Hadar Attack ship, yes ... Jem'Hadar Dreadnaught Carrier, yes.
These arent things that arent in the game or not being offered, we are not talking about making the Galaxy class with 1 billion HP and a shield mod of 200 and similar craziness, we are also not talking about the Dauntless or things that arent in the game.
We are talking about having to pay 3 times for something, I mean if they just put the JHAS pets as a exclusive them this is one thing, we arent talking about that are we? we are talking about a unlock.
Heck I could point out the Jem'Hadar fighters apparently can be unlocked for Flight Deck Cruisers but this is just double pay, normal with carriers pets ... but the JHAS hangar unlock? Not normal.
The JHAS pets are exclusive. They are unlocked only if someone has the JHAS and the JHDC. The pet unlock itself, in this case, is exclusive since only people who have met the requirements have access to it.
The complaint that you and the others have is that it is too exclusive.
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Nope, it still got handed to you. You didn't work harder than anyone else: you just, like you say, got lucky. Like ppl opening their first lockbox ever, and immediately hitting the jackpot. That just happens; no big deal. But don't pretend like you're more deserving, or worked harder, than anyone else: there are ppl (not me) who opened like 300 lock boxes, and got nothing. That too just happens.
You're welcome to your good fortune, really; but don't appropriate your luck as 'hard work.' If you had bought the bug ship, on exchange, for 500 mil, now *that* would justify your claim about getting it the hard way.
I have a bug ship too but I ground it out for the fact that its the best escort, the pets are just a bonus perk. I don't think making the pets exclusive is something that needs to be permanent. It was nice but lets not punish people forever, it won't harm us.
That ship is Cryptic's cash cow. They'd rather loose 1,000 players a week than to let that ship not be their cash cow. As I've said many times now, I worked for the JHDC because it (and the recluse) were arguably the best carriers in the game. When I found out that my hard work of 3 months of grinding, becoming a Sliver member and $300 USD wasn't enough to get a JHDC carrier pet that's supposed to come with the Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier I worked so hard to get, I realized what type of company Cryptic is. I also regretted my decision and felt that I should have gone for the Recluse instead.
Anyone whom owns a JHDC without the JHAS that's supposed to come with it,..knows how I feel. If you're the few that have the JHAS and the JHDC you are on the flip side of the coin. Just image how it would feel if you did what you did to get the JHDC and you didn't have the JHAS that you have now. How would you feel? Would you still make the comments that you've made?
I've given up on Cryptic changing their minds. I've lost all respect for them (not only for bashing the name "Star Trek" but for this issue with the JHAS pets), I know my words (and your words) mean nothing to them. They are in the business of making money by any means.
That is all.
They could at least come out and say " no we won't change it because we like to exploit our players".
the only thing that gets my goat bout this topic is the amount of people that seem to be under the impression u need to be rich (real world) to be able to afford this ship.... only players that have $500 to throw around can obtain this ship... so not ture
Iv been playing this game for near 2 years now and always F2P, the only time iv spent real money on this game was to sub for a month a couple of times but i managed to purchase my JHAS after only 6/7 months playing... cost me 215 Mil EC and was very happy i had achieved this great purchase in a short time...
and yes i got the full Jem'hadar set for this toon... he looks like a Jem, has the Mk XII ground&space Jem sets from lobi store, the JHEC, JHDC and the elite pets.... all obtained with hard graft.
so the point.... play smarter and know what u want and get it
Your right. One could grind ec for an extended amount of time for a ship they don't want so they can buy the other half of the ship they like.
No sane person would not be completely burnt out after such a grind.
Also if I had a bug it would be stupid to use it on anything but a rom..... My fed has the carrier........
Its cashgrab gating at its finest.
There is some logic here a little crude in its delivery but still there.
In Phantasy star Universe I spent 3 years getting a sword called the Agito
In 3 years I never lost sight of that goal. Things are different now though surely we can all see that. As much as we would like to pretend the old way of doing things should come back none of us truly want that.
This is the age of convenience all but specifically limited time items should be available....for a price....
I would suggest we treat cryptic and PWE as a ferangi they are out to make a profit its our job to make sure we get what we want in return
And in STO people spend 3 years getting the JHAS.
The point is not that the JHAS is hard to get, or even should be, but that possession of this ship is required in order to obtain a pet.. for a ship that is not even itself the JHAS. And the latter, LOL, can't even fit pets.
And the above, man friend, is as silly as saying you can buy Fleet Anti-Proton weapons, but you are required to buy a Voth Bulwark too.
Exactly...hence why I have my sig
I was someone that supported Cryptic by giving them money.
I've purchased a these ships with real world money
Atrox
Aventine Class (sister of the Vesta)
My JHDC
Advanced Multi-Vector Escort
I used to keep about 5,000 zen on my account using real world money. I never really cared to "grind" because I liked the game. I wanted them to stay in business, hence I spent real world money to help them. But after I was played,...I dropped my silver membership, talked 5 of my Trekky friends (whom are fanatics) out of even downloading this game and haven't spent a penny since August 2013.
First let me start by saying I'm continually pissed off about this whole situation of locking the JHAS pets from the JHDC by requiring the most rare, expensive *escort* in the game - which will go unused by those who only want it for their JHDC.
I get it. It's supposed to be rare, hard to get, yada yada yada. Whatever. Call it what you want. It's greed, pure and simple, on Cryptic's part to milk those who want it for as much as possible.
Regarding the above quote. I think I have a better solution that would be sufficient to current JHAS owners and JHDC owners (who can't get the JHAS) alike.
Put the JHAS frigates (and frigates ONLY) in the lobi store. I'd even pay upwards of 800 lobis for it, even if they were regular white versions. It's not the ideal solution for JHDC, and it certainly is not fair when comparing other carriers that have unlocked frigates from the get-go, but it at least makes the pets obtainable in some fashion, and a goal to strive for.
Let's face it. I (and many others, obviously) will be damned if I'm going to farm for over a year to afford the EC for one (not that there are even any on the exchange anyways...), pay $160-300+ on a third party website, or spend ungodly amounts of money on a "lottery" whenever it comes again - if it even does.
So:
1. Put JHAS frigates on lobi store - 400 to 800 lobi cost. Make them whites for all I care; character-bound on pickup so they cannot be sold on the exchange, and a requirement of owning the JHDC. Just make them AVAILABLE without a completely stupid and artificial gate that requires owning a different class of ship that will sit in your inventory and collect dust.
2. JHAS owners don't get pissed because the JHAS itself is still rare and pretty much unobtainable at this point. Continue to celebrate your fantastic luck/hundreds of dollars of expenditure. Good for you.
3. JHDC owners can finally get their frigates. Sure, they may be white versions for an inflated cost, but you can upgrade them to advanced/elite with the proper grind (same as other frigates). REJOICE!
4. Profit (literally - Cryptic, you listening?)
Case in point. And I honestly believe this would account for the majority of JHAS-flying players.
I've talked myself into the idea of flying the bug itself as the idea of spending that on just the pet for my dread physically hurts me, if I were lucky enough to drop it (like a normal lockbox ship or something) I probably wouldn't fly it, I just prefer carriers and cruisers generally.
I'm sure there are many out there that are pissed about not being able to fly it, but the majority seem to only seem to want the pet, and let's be frank, for a pet the price is simply insane.
For the flyable ship, yeah sure keep it crazy expensive or whatever you want to do but sort out the pet issue.
As others have previously mentioned give us SOME more feaseable way of obtaining this pet, leave the flyable bugs for the elitists.
Bearing reference to my previous post on another thread about communication from the team this would probably be an ideal way to finally clarify the issue and get the rage over and done with, so any future threads can just be linked to it. I think everyone would like that idea at least.
Pro or con cryptic, give us some clarification as to whether this is something we will have to live with or if there are ANY future plans to alter its availability, especially given the arrival of the bulwark in recent times.
"If this will be our end, then I will have them make SUCH an end as to be worthy of rememberance! Out of torpedos you say?! Find me the ferengi!".
I said that they should have put the Hanger Bugs in the Lobi shop has soon has they pulled this TRIBBLE job with the JHDC.
The Greed meter was set to the highest level when they decided to lock the Hanger Bugs behind needing to own the JHDC and the JHAS.
Cryptic could have made a good amount of profit by offering the Hager Bugs in the Lobi shop for 200-400 Lobi each and even at that price they would have sold and continued to sell and the popularity of the JHDC would be even higher than it is now.
The move did not make any sense by any stretch of the imagination and I argue that it did more to hurt Cryptic's PR than help it.
Its been almost 2 years now and not one DEV ever responded to the questions that many of us asked about why such a move was done with the JHDC and why the move was never reconsidered.
The Lobi shop was always to best option to go with if they wanted to milk the owners of the JHDC and sadly I think that Cryptic knew that but instead chose to try to bleed has much out of the players that wanted the Hanger Bugs has they could.
I think that Cryptic's silence on the subject is a statement in itself. They do not find the current mechanic to be game breaking, and that it does not need any attention. It was stated in the dev blog that the pets were a bonus for those who already had the attack ship unpacked. All the details were there. Nothing else was promised.
Agreed 101%. Considering the price/effort (and as of now, simple unavailability) it is to attain the JHAS just for the pets, it almost hurts my brain to think about how much money Cryptic is losing out on by not putting the pets in the Lobi store. They really are shooting themselves in the foot with this "marketing strategy." Considering how obviously greedy they are in the first place, I am quite surprised that they haven't adopted either the Lobi method, or a Zen method of purchase (again, restricted to those who have a JHDC).
They are free to state whatever they want, even if it's so blatantly obvious that it's just a BS money-grubbing marketing scheme created in order to milk a player for as much money as possible. It doesn't change the fact that they made a frigate only usable by the JHDC and then locked them behind the most rare and expensive Escort (a ship that would only collect dust by carrier captains), something that no other pet in the game suffers from.
In that regard it might be nice to have perhaps either a re-itterance or statement of a rethink.
I don't think the current availability of this ship is a game "mechanic"issue pe say,more of a playerbase feesback issue regarding hangar pets.
"If this will be our end, then I will have them make SUCH an end as to be worthy of rememberance! Out of torpedos you say?! Find me the ferengi!".
I have an idea that their numbers are telling them differently. Just because you want it right now, doesn't mean that that they are going to change any long term strategy. I have an idea that it may be released again in another pack to encourage 'enthusiasm'.
How is Cryptic milking anyone for anything when it is unavailable from them at the moment? The only one's who have a JHAS available at the moment are players (who by the way are the ones setting the price by way of how free markets work.)
Then we can agree to disagree. Only Cryptic has the hard numbers, and there is no realistic way to know the potential profit that could be made if they were to offer alternative methods to attain the pets by themselves. All we can do is speculate, but it is my speculation that a continuous revenue stream could be made by making the pets available by these alternate means. It would also go an extremely long way to making JHDC owners happy (kinda). But clearly QoL improvements are not on Cryptics to-do list in this regard.
Allowing this alternate method of obtaining the pets would not all of a sudden render a Bug-laced DOFF pack (or whatever) invalid all of a sudden, either. Certainly those captains that would like the Bug itself would still play the lottery, and most likely a portion of those who have the JHDC would as well...because they may get lucky, after all, and be able to save the Lobi instead.
It's not that I "want it right now" - hell, I've wanted them since I got my JHDC, as I'm sure most JHDC captains have. It's the extraordinarily high cost of attainment that's prevented me (and most) from getting them. And I won't be caving in to their greed and paying $160-$300 (either via DOFF pack lottery, a 3rd party website, etc.) for a virtual in-game pet or EC grind for a year or more of my life to get them, either. Sure, some people with lots of cash to blow may opt for that route, and more power to them - but that doesn't justify the artificial gating in the first place. "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should." Cryptic seems to throw quality-of-life issues out of the window in order to make a quick buck, and that will hurt them more than help them in the long run.
Clearly Cryptic isn't milking anyone right now. That much is obvious. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. You linked an old dev blog, so my comment was in regards to the past (and possibly future) milking that has/will occur regarding the JHAS. The only milking going on right now is from other players - there are even Ferengis in this thread trying to hustle their unopened Bugs to people that are rightfully [still] pissed off about the situation.
Cryptic sees nothing wrong with how it is, people like you have been beating the drum of ~zomg greedy plz fix!~ for over a year to no effect. It ain't changing. Deal with it, move on. Get a Recluse if you can't bear the idea of flying a carrier without its frigate pet.
That's true, it is just speculation. Which is why I think that there is a long term plan to use them as a way to encourage people to buy things, like the duty officer packs, or something down the road.
That would be your choice not to pay lots of money for something you desire. Which is a good thing, I think. The downside is the opportunity for you to get one may be passed up should they chose to rerelease them. That wouldn't be Cryptic's fault necessarily as the ships would be made available again.
That link was to show that Cryptic had said from the start that the pets were tied to ownership of the JHAS. The point was to blunt the complaints of Cryptic not mentioning it.
As far as the 'milking' goes, yes, they will probably rerelease it as a prize in another pack or something. It's too good a prize not to keep it as a carrot.
The conspirator in me wonders if they plan to tie the JHAS in with ARC, and make it so new ARC users can buy the pets. ARC would be required to be kept running in the background in order for the pets to continue to function. I wonder how many of the ARC hate crowd would jump onto ARC? :eek:
Oh, I see, so you work for Cryptic then? :rolleyes:
The "deal with it and shut up" or "buy something else" attitude is not a good way to retain active player numbers and fan loyalty (let alone subs). Most sane people will only spend so much money and time and getting screwed over by this and that before they've had enough and quit. It's the same exact reason many of my friends recently abandoned SW:ToR.
Offering alternative suggestions (that, by the way, still make Cryptic profits) is not a waste of time, regardless of how much you hate these threads.
On that note, we can QQ all we want about it. Don't like the whine? I suggest you take your own advice...
"Deal with it, and move on."
Funny you mention the tie-in with ARC. I've stated on their latest "ARC bribe" thread that just about the only way I'd download/use ARC was if they made the JHAS pets available. Lol!
And giving people everything they want will kill them game.
But the Jem pet issue is probably the last dumb idea that Cryptic hasn't fixed.
There are many fixes they could do for it with minimal effort. (like stop allowing frigates to be fixed onto certain carriers). Frigates should all be allowed on all full carriers just like the fighters. It doesn't make sense that it isn't that way (except keep the BOP with the voq).
There are new thread like this weekly for years and cryptic has never ever said anything.
You'd think that if they were interested in these alternative suggestions, which have come up plenty of times I assure you, that they'd of implemented one of them by now. They're clearly interested in maintaining the rarity and desirability of the JHAS even though you can get most of its performance out of far more readily available ships now at days. One of those ways is via the JHAS pets only being available when you own a JHAS.
You're right about one thing at least, if it makes you feel any better. You can cry your little eyes out about the shiny you don't have all you want. You're still not going to get what you want and just end up looking like a fool for it. You're not getting screwed out of anything. There's merely one shiny you don't have access to without a hefty investment. Somehow you'll live on despite it.
Clearly. Then again, if the same performance is readily available via other pets, then why is there still an artificial gate on the pets? Surely they could design a new shiny that's even better than the JHAS to milk people for. With all the power creep in the game, I'm surprised they haven't already.
As much as you'd like to believe, I don't think anyone here is crying. Nor do I think anyone looks like a fool for asking for a reliable means of obtaining something without a real-world cost attachment of several hundred dollars equivalent. If you think that makes someone look like a fool, then that's your opinion I suppose. But I think you're just here to troll anyways (and you aren't the only one), since you've added nothing relevant to the discussion.
I'd dare say that I've added a lot to this discussion. Namely that this has all happened before, it will all happen again, and the outcome will never go in the favor of those like yourself.
You can say whatever you'd like, as will I.
That doesn't mean you're correct in any sense...but believe what you will. Who exactly are you trying to convince, besides yourself?
Anyways; I'm out of troll food, so I'll stop there. Feel free to continue your doom and gloom with the vacuum of space, though.
2. Cryptic's method of ignoring "bugs" is very well known amongst us forum goers. They ignore the in game bugs, and they ignore this (almost) 2 year old bug/frigate issue
3. I support a C-Store or Lobi store version of the JHAS pet. I care nothing for the actual ship. I have used almost every compatible carrier pet with my JHDC (except the Yellowstone), and it's about immersion. Just seeing how I have Jem Hadar Fighters and not a Jem Hadar Attack Ship, takes away from the immersion. I know it's petty to some,...but that's just how I feel.
4. I think Cryptic does not want to put their foot in their mouth. If they say something is "final" then change their mind,..they know that we (the community) would not let them forget it.
5. They can even have a public vote on what we JHDCD owners would feel is a "reasonable compromise" to this on going problem. But again,...they say and do nothing.
Now please excuse me,...I'm going to go play some STF's with my flagship JHDC. I think I'll invite some of my Scimitar friends and have a race to see whom can blow things up the fastest.:D
Yes and I for one will never stop stating how upset I was about the precedent that Cryptic set with this move.
No other Full Carrier in this game has its Frigates that can only be used with it gated away behind needing to own the player controlled ship that its frigates are based off of.
2 date I've bought 2 JHAS off the exchange, one for 320 Million EC and another for 360 Million EC and I sold them both for 500 Million.
You'll find that many players who are upset with the fact that the Hanger Bugs for the JHDC are locked away behind needing to own the JHAS have more than enough EC to buy the overpriced God ship but still feel that the Hanger Bugs being locked away from the only Carrier that can use them is just plan wrong.
I have no interest in flying the Bug ship and I for one would never waste that much EC just to get an unlock to by the Frigates for my JHDC; however, if I could use them on any full Carrier, I'd do it in a heart beat
The JHAS pets are exclusive. They are unlocked only if someone has the JHAS and the JHDC. The pet unlock itself, in this case, is exclusive since only people who have met the requirements have access to it.
The complaint that you and the others have is that it is too exclusive.