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Tactical mode on the science destroyer.Timer is unfair.

stuart1965stuart1965 Member Posts: 691 Arc User
edited February 2014 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
I recently got the science destroyer for my main romulan fed toon,and wow what a good looking ship. Nice to fly too.
So whats the problem i hear you ask?????

Simple its the time limit when using tactical mode which is 60 secs,before you have to press it again.
Considering the grind involved in getting this ship,and optionally buying the lobi to get it,
the tactical mode at 60 secs each time is totally unfair and unjust.
I would like to see cryptic scrap that 60 secs rule,and make tactical mode permanent.
Not many here will agree with me,but i am sure theres some who do.
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  • rylanadionysisrylanadionysis Member Posts: 3,359 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Picture this.

    Start in tactical mode, pop attack pattern alpha and all tactical buffs, unload a massive damage spike with CSV3

    Switch to science mode, pop an aux battery, unload a ton of science spam boosted by those tactical abilities, including perhaps a gravity well three.


    At this point, does it seem at all fair to be able to jump right back to full tactical mode? Would seem to me as a built in counter to chaining commander abilities
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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Indeed. Even I see the logic in the timer. As it was just said, they don't want people using Commander Tactical and immediately switching to Commander Sci (or vice versa).

    Like using Gravity Well 3 on a Target and finishing it off with Rapid / Scatter Fire 3.



    In fact, in some respects this is still somewhat plausible since Gravity Well takes a while to go away, so I wouldn't be surprised if they actually increased the timer.
  • evillloydevillloyd Member Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Unless it is some kind of glitch you should be able to stay in tactical mode for as long as you want. There is only a 60 second cool down when you switch from tactical to science mode.
  • stuart1965stuart1965 Member Posts: 691 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    rylanadionysis wrote: »
    Picture this.

    Start in tactical mode, pop attack pattern alpha and all tactical buffs, unload a massive damage spike with CSV3

    Switch to science mode, pop an aux battery, unload a ton of science spam boosted by those tactical abilities, including perhaps a gravity well three.


    At this point, does it seem at all fair to be able to jump right back to full tactical mode? Would seem to me as a built in counter to chaining commander abilities

    Just an opinion,but i think tactical mode should be allowed to be switched on or off at will, without time limits on it.
  • darramouss1darramouss1 Member Posts: 1,811 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    I think the timer is fair, however I wish the timer activated when you went from science to tactical, not tactical to science.
  • sunfranckssunfrancks Member Posts: 3,925 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Timer is fair, leave it as is...
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  • rylanadionysisrylanadionysis Member Posts: 3,359 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    stuart1965 wrote: »
    Just an opinion,but i think tactical mode should be allowed to be switched on or off at will, without time limits on it.

    I understand, and respectfully disagree as it would basically allow one ship to have two commander level abilities at will.

    No other reason on said disagreement.
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  • imadude3imadude3 Member Posts: 825 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    rylanadionysis wrote: »
    Picture this.

    Start in tactical mode, pop attack pattern alpha and all tactical buffs, unload a massive damage spike with CSV3

    Switch to science mode, pop an aux battery, unload a ton of science spam boosted by those tactical abilities, including perhaps a gravity well three.


    At this point, does it seem at all fair to be able to jump right back to full tactical mode? Would seem to me as a built in counter to chaining commander abilities

    im with this strange man on this opinion, it's good the CD is there
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  • coupaholiccoupaholic Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    CD needs to be there.

    Allowing that kind of switch on a single vessel without a cooldown would pretty much render every other ship in the game obsolete.
  • jam3s1701jam3s1701 Member Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    coupaholic wrote: »
    CD needs to be there.

    Allowing that kind of switch on a single vessel without a cooldown would pretty much render every other ship in the game obsolete.

    The only gripe I have with it is the dying in tac respwn as Sci with the cool down active but hey guess it is build play about time to find use
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  • kantazo1kantazo1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    My apologies, wrong post
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  • imadude3imadude3 Member Posts: 825 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    kantazo1 wrote: »
    Picture this, not everyone in this game has $1000s of dollars to P2W their way in this game, like you do. I am with you OP that 60 sec duration is garbage, it needs to be removed and made permanent.

    at which point in this post did he claim to have thounsends of dollars? he never mentiened anything about P2W, so what are you getting on about?
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  • coupaholiccoupaholic Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    kantazo1 wrote: »
    Picture this, not everyone in this game has $1000s of dollars to P2W their way in this game, like you do. I am with you OP that 60 sec duration is garbage, it needs to be removed and made permanent.

    ...not sure if serious...
  • eulifdaviseulifdavis Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    I'd just be happy if it matched the 20 second cooldown of the Chimera (vet ship).
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  • kantazo1kantazo1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    My apologies bad day
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  • dahminusdahminus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    To think that the cd needs to be reduced shows much misunderstanding of balance, to snap at Rylan shows much immaturity(directed at kantazso).

    @OP, it's just part of the balance of the game (doesn't happen enough, but it does) you'll eventually learn things have their reasons for being the way they are

    Edit: ah, your a hater...gotcha
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  • kantazo1kantazo1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    My apologies bad day
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  • dahminusdahminus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Yep, all the help with pvp and some pve builds shows his true colors eh?
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  • kantazo1kantazo1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    My apologies bad day
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  • imadude3imadude3 Member Posts: 825 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    kantazo1 wrote: »
    Do you know him? No you dont, I do, he is always boasting of how well equipped he is, how better than other players he is, etc etc, he is always belittling those who dont meet his high achievements, so please bother to research before opening your mouth.

    be that as it may, keep it to your own threads instead of bringing it out here, he has not been boatsing or trolling or whatever in this thread so don't start it, i have a certain dislike for someone else in this thread too but im not gonna bring it up since it is rather childish to do so.

    anyways, a more on-topic response: one does not need amazing gear to survive a 60 sec cooldown, i can make due with exchange gear no problem at all, most of my weapons are from the exchange since i tend to change load-out often
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  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    There's a timer? Didn't know this.
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  • kantazo1kantazo1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    my apologies bad day
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  • imadude3imadude3 Member Posts: 825 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    ashkrik23 wrote: »
    There's a timer? Didn't know this.

    also, THIS^^^^^^ i tend to be so taken by the game i hardly notice my CD's unless they are needed
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  • greyhame3greyhame3 Member Posts: 914 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    kantazo1 wrote: »
    Whatever rocks your boat, if you bother to research his posts in the topic of 300+ pages the only thing he did was to put players down and to praise Cryptic. So please stop embarrassing yourself.
    The only person embarrassing themselves is you.

    As for the cool down, don't really see a huge problem with it. Only thing would be is the cool down didn't reset when you died. Thay should probably happen. Otherwise its a mechanism to prevent you from doing something thay would likely be overpowered. Though that might at least justify the grind for the ship. At least until they nerfed it later.
  • imadude3imadude3 Member Posts: 825 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    kantazo1 wrote: »
    He instead to suggest to the OP ways to improve came and bashed the OP, if you dont know how to read between the lines, I cant help you there. Instead of showing this patronizing attitude he always display like "Oh I am only play elite because otherwise I am so bored" (I am to good for you all in other words), he could use his amazing talent to explain those who dont know the game how to better improve themselves and this is the last thing I am saying.

    im sorry that you feel that way but when i read it (read it again after reading this post) all i see is pure logic
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  • kantazo1kantazo1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    My apologies, bad day today I am very grumpy.
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  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    imadude3 wrote: »
    also, THIS^^^^^^ i tend to be so taken by the game i hardly notice my CD's unless they are needed

    I did notice switching from tac to science frequently. I thought I had hit the button by mistake while spamming powers.
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  • dahminusdahminus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    He has edited his posts and apologized. Let's just back down...sto forums have mercy.

    Even dental seems to respect that
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  • imadude3imadude3 Member Posts: 825 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    greyhame3 wrote: »
    The only person embarrassing themselves is you.

    As for the cool down, don't really see a huge problem with it. Only thing would be is the cool down didn't reset when you died. Thay should probably happen. Otherwise its a mechanism to prevent you from doing something thay would likely be overpowered. Though that might at least justify the grind for the ship. At least until they nerfed it later.

    i completely agree that the cd-reset on death is annoying, when i respawn i'd like to go into attack mode right away.

    the grind i don't feel is too bad really, the other ships were given away right away but those were only ships, nothing really special, but THIS, this ship comes with two uniqe functions, commander swithcing, and secondary deflector(to be added to all science vessels in the future) and three pieces of uniqe equipment, proton dual heavy cannon(pretty powerfull too) solanea warp(sing)core and solanea secondary deflector(cannot be aquired once the ani is gone) and for all that, 15 days of doing a 5-10 minute mission is really not so bad :D
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  • trillscientisttrillscientist Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Actually, I have no idea what the OP is talking about...

    Because when you activate tactical mode there is no timer. You can stay in tactical mode for as long as you like.
    The cooldown on the mode switch only starts when you end tactical mode.

    And it's not as if staying in science mode for a few minutes is going to get you killed - there are precisely ZERO defensive options for a commander tactical slot you would loose.

    So either the OP is suffering from some sort of bug, or he is hitting some other ability that has a 60 second CD, or he is doubleclicking the button and is only getting a few seconds in tactical mode before dropping out.
    If it is indeed a bug then only cryptic can help him (though I would start by switching to another ship and back to the dyson ship to see if the problem persists). Cryptic is only going to help if the OP files a bug report and if this bug can be confirmed/replicated/proven.
    If it is any of the other options -> HUGE facepalm.
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