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mondoid
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Odds are that this tread will be moved the the KDF section and subsequently ignored but anyway.
I think the devs should make some adjustments to the Cruiser Commands for the KDF. Larger,slower ships such as the Negh'var and Bortas should be given the Attract Fire command, due to their increased HP and support capabilities. It is unfair that all Fed cruisers have all 4 abilities and KDF only 3.
I think the devs should make some adjustments to the Cruiser Commands for the KDF. Larger,slower ships such as the Negh'var and Bortas should be given the Attract Fire command, due to their increased HP and support capabilities. It is unfair that all Fed cruisers have all 4 abilities and KDF only 3.
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/doublefacepalm
Firstly, you're not going to see the Cruiser Commands expanded on the KDF Battlecruisers. Due to 2 things:
1. They all can equip Dual Cannons / Dual Heavy Cannons
2. Almost all of them can turn from well to very well. The Vor'Cha can turn at 10. The K'T'Inga can turn at the game's best for a Cruiser, 11. The Mogh and Negh'Var can turn at a respectable 9.
I will tell you know, Feds would KILL to get a natural turn rate of 9 for some of their ships. They CAN use Cruiser Commands to turn better, but that option doesn't give them some other desirable commands during combat.
The biggest trump however is the ability to mount heavier cannons on KDF Battlecruisers. That in itself can be a very significant advantage offensively, on top of naturally having superior turn rates on average.
Because of this is why KDF Battlecruisers will stay at 3/4 Cruiser Commands.
The only real oddity with the KDF Battlecruiser lineup is the Bortasqu' series. But then again, they can equip heavier cannons.
Why do you only cite the faster turning BCs and make blanket statements? Bortas has a turn rate of 5. Nobody in their right mind fit dhcs to them. OP is right, "larger slower turning ships such as Bortas should get attract fire command." He never mentioned Vocha.
Well first things first - props on predicting where the thread would end. :P
However that doesn't mean that it'll be ignored for the sake of being ignored. We have devs. lurk here on regular basis and those are usually the devs. that get stuff done.
I think that this is highly unlikely, furthermore I consider it to be unnecessary. The Fed. cruisers have +1 niche ability that helps them do their suposed role as tanks. KDF battlecruisers by comparison are traditionally more offensively oriented, which reflects on the hull/shield values.
The thing is - most Fed cruisers actually need the 'attract fire' command in order to even hope of holding aggro. Take the Galaxy-R for example, that ship can't hold aggro without help even if it's life depended on it. On the other hand I never had any issues in holding aggro in a Bortasqu', Tor'Kaht, Vor'cha, K'maj or especially the Mogh and it's lol console - if by some mysterious means the Mogh doesn't manage to hold aggro I just launch the DDDS and soon enough I have every enemy on the map shooting at me.
The only way KDF could see all of the cruiser commands on a KDF ship is if it's probably an affiliate design, for ex. Orion cruiser that doesn't have a hangar bay. A ship like that would probably have all the commands. Don't hold your breath on the Klingon designs though, the Klingons will never make just a cruiser, they must add 'battle' and stick cannons on it.
Wanna bet? :cool:
For what? The 'attract fire' cruiser command is usefull for threat generation and managing to hold aggro on a cruiser.
If you can't hold aggro in a Bortasqu' you're doing it horribly wrong, are a bad captain and should feel bad about it. :P
Why would you want "Attract Fire"? All it does is make everything shoot at you, and in the cases of some enemies, cause them to go bat-**** crazy.
You say it's unfair that KDF BCs only get 3 and fed cruisers get 4? Well guess what, the KDF BCs got the 3 USEFUL ones. Attract fire really isn't useful. At all.
Before you say "oh hur dur... it lets you play tank for your team", I'll remind you that if feds are getting shot at, that's a good thing. I'll also remind you that NPCs are so bloody weak that ANY ship can tank their damage with ease. Which makes attract fire a null point unless you're trying to get damage taken accolades.
tl;dc
You don't need it. Let them feds die. Your KDF brothers are smart enough to make ships that can take the heat and give no craps. You shouldn't either.
So don't worry about it. You wasting a cruiser command using attract fire in a battlecruiser, even the Bort.
As I said an FDC can make good use of it and only has 2 commands anyways.
Oh and there is one ship the KDF have access to that does have all cruiser commands. The Galor. Lockbox ship, but still its better then nothing.
I do believe in time that the KDF will get its own full cruiser, but I agree it will be from a none Klingon member race of the Empire.
I've fitted DHCs to the TAC Bortasqu' and combine it with the Disruptor Autocannon. This was BEFORE the Turn Rate Effects buff and BEFORE the Cruiser Commands implementation. The firepower from the Bortasqu' used in such a way is phenomenal. Granted, it's an artform in itself to utilize the Bortasqu' in such a way.
Regardless, the Bortasqu' can equip DC/DHCs, a luxury no Fed Cruiser other than the balance-altering Avenger can do. That fact is still enough reason for the Bortasqu' to not get the full arsenal of Cruiser Commands.
Seriously though, I find I tend to favor Strategic Maneuvering more than weapons or shields most of the time(even on Fed or more agile battlecruisers). There are more effective ways to boost your Threat if that's what you're after. +Threat consoles and even a couple points in Threat Control will go a long, long way.
On paper, it may look like some injustice that KDF battlecruisers are down a cruiser command, but honestly, it's just cut fat that battlecruisers are completely unhindered by.
It's an option for them if they want. And wasteful option, IMO.
You almost never see them use it. Everyone I ever see usually goes for the Weapon or Shield Cruiser Commands. The Maneuvering one is more handy than the Attract Fire because there are some ponderously slow Cruisers out there like the Odyssey, Galaxy (yeah, there are users of them), and Bortasqu'. If the Feds don't even use Attract Fire on their typically slower turning Cruisers, why would the KDF?
KDF Battlecruiser are already well off than the Fed ones.
- They already have typically good handling.
- They have the option of mounting DC/DHC weapons, which only 1 Fed Cruiser can do.
- KDF BC's have 3/4 Cruiser Commands, and they are the ones that actually matters.
As much as I like to stick it to Feds, getting the full 4 Cruiser Commands for Klingon-designed Battlecruisers is over the top in principle. Our BC's are already very well off (wish I can say the same about the BOP/Raptor line of the KDF).
If you meant Avenger, no, it's not the only fed cruiser that can fit dhcs, just the only one maneuverable enough to use it effectively.
Fed dreadnaught cruiser can also fit dhcs, and interestingly, have attract fire too. Of course, with a turn rate of 6, it handles almost as badly as Borta.:rolleyes:
The Galaxy-X can use her cannons effectively if the person controling her knows what he/she is doing. I've seen many people master the usage od DHC & lance on the X even before the A2B FAW spam was discovered and became popular.
The Galaxy-X is also specified as a class for herself, so yes it gets 'attract fire' but she has only 2 cruiser commands.
And I'd love to be able to do the same thing on KDF side but none of our cruisers get it, so we can't.
The underlying issue right now with the KDF though is c-store ships and items like weapons and consoles. The romulan characters have atleast one per ship and in sets. Where as the federation has the items but no sets. Then the KDF has neither and very limited in c-store ships. This is just my opinion besides them getting flanking for bops and making a more unique differential between raiders/bops like said by Geko in his last interview. They need to start pushing out sets for feds and c-store ships with items/consoles for kdf which could be used to settle some of these differences people have.
Your post is twisted funny, but thinking on it, it's pretty damn true
I am all for making differences between the factions as pronounced as it can be.