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Isn't it just time to end it the wars?
daedalus304
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Seriously isn't it time we end the Fed/Kdf war?
it's pointless and pretty damn annoying to say the least.
it's gone nowhere, and so much more has happened.
for that matter why hasn't the timeline moved yet? can we jump to 2414 already?
so much more has arived since the begining of the war, Starfleet and the KDF both have more enemies than can be defeated alone, and with the Romulan Republic in play, the war could be ended while focusing on more pressing matters.
it's pointless and pretty damn annoying to say the least.
it's gone nowhere, and so much more has happened.
for that matter why hasn't the timeline moved yet? can we jump to 2414 already?
so much more has arived since the begining of the war, Starfleet and the KDF both have more enemies than can be defeated alone, and with the Romulan Republic in play, the war could be ended while focusing on more pressing matters.
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Just because the war is going nowhere does not mean it will not eventually go somewhere. Heck, how many times have we thought all of STO is going nowhere?
The Federation and Klingon Empire has a sort of tradition dating back from TOS to be repeatedly in conflict with each other. If anything, there's alot of potential storyline and whatnot that can take advantage of this backdrop. In the same way that DS9 had the all encompassing Dominion War. There was potential for non-war related material, but the Dominion War had so much potential, that the writers could repeatedly come back to that well when done with other things.
The current STO Federation-Klingon War has that potential. It's just the devs have Attention Span Issues when fleshing out ANY storyline, any modes of play in this game, or shortcuts taken (Romulans not being a real faction, for one). You can have storylines unique to the views for both the Federation and Klingon Empire from different parts of the quadrant as the war rages, showing the ebb and flow of the war.
I also believe that keeping the major powers at conflict with each other reinforces at least SOME sort of difference between the factions. If there is no conflict, nothing to be at odds over, then there really is no need for anything but 1 faction, 1 storyline, 1 point of view.
And I call that bland, esp. when the 3 major powers are involved.
now and still now, it's in a standstill, a Star Trek game has a primary role of supplying Stories, and Cryptic has been way too slow on that.
Regardless, the War makes no real sense, all three sides have the same enemies, and they've been fighting along side for a while, it makes no sense to have the war heat up.
The alliance just needs to die, and everything will be just fine, as has historically been with Star Trek :cool:
And the fractures of that alliance are showing in the FE.
The new shuttle pvp lets you play as cross faction teams too.
In the meantime, war rages!
/hi5
Qapla! It doesnt help the alliance that the Undine are now seen as a threat by the Feds even though the path to 2409 showed the Klingons tried to show this back in the day and where rebuked.
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did you even play the new FE? the very end of it.
How could they NOT know about this? For 40 years? I imagine it would be quite difficult to cover up the discovery of a Dyson Sphere in the Beta Quadrant. Then again, it did sit there unnoticed for a VERY long time...
Seriously, why do people think this would be a good idea? The fact that we already share every new release is stupid. Red and Blue should be getting unique content every release, not the same stuff with a different HUD.
It isnt starfleet that refused to help, it was that cold-blooded dragon of a president that is, from all of the restrictions he placed on Starfleet, clearly and Undine infiltrator
If he is delivered in psionic shakles to Qo'noS, would that be a sufficent gesture to stop this petty bickering and deal with our real threats, i.e. fat Orion gangsters and idiotic Breen egotists
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Still, there is no doubt that there is undine infiltration among Starfleet's upper ranks. We've seen it repeatedly.
The question is, why on Earth would the Klingons think that going to war with the Federation would solve anything? They can't conquer the Federation like they did the Gorn (we're too evenly matched), and if anything declaring war would probably make everyone less likely to listen to the Klingons.
So the war is stupid, and I'd be happy to see it end. I would also be happy to see it continue for reasons that actually make sense. Even if it's just "the Klingons have been bored with the peace in the galaxy, so they decided to pick a fight with the Federation using the excuse of Undine infiltration," or "Long-standing resentment among populations both sides allowed a disagreement over a single planet to spark an entire war."
The best thing to do would be to just keep the Klingon War episode missions and story for the sake of new players and add a new episode or missions for level 50 players to explain ending the war. They could even raise the level cap (something that's been tossed around anyway) and use the new missions as part of that. As far as how it would affect pvp, theres no reason why it should, afterall, that's really not part of the story stuff, look at Romulan Republic players in pvp, because of the RR players choosing between fed or kdf as an ally you end up with RR against RR so pvp shouldn't even be part of the story stuff anyway, just a side thing.
In the mission when you have to save an Orion, where she give clues about B'Vat and his plans, she also have a dialogue path where she talk about the beginning of the KDF storyline. This is totally new.
SPOILER
She say Worf's son died while trying to secure peace between Klingons and Fed. And considering his past as a Fed officer, he might want to follow his son's path.
I would really like to see Worf challenging the Undine they call a Chancellor, and take his place. Then make peace with the Feds, and kick some Undine/Iconian a**.
They also have a long tradition of love/hate relationship from TNG/DS9, and even a bit in Voyager. Worf and B'elanna, dealing with the 2sides of their culture, the Kuva'magh (spelling ?) or the Dominion war. Klingons fighting the fed, then siding together again.
In fact, it's quite similar to the Dominion war. The alliance between both was broken mostly because of a Founder infiltration. And because the FED refused to support them in their war against the Cardassian. In STO, it was broken because of Undine infiltration in the Gorn government, and the Fed refusing to support the Klingon in their war.
Seriously though, what war? Also we can't end a war that hasn't advanced since NOTHING has advanced at all. It's still Jan 1st, 2409. Everything is happening simultaneously and not at all at the same time. What needs to happen is the passage of time. Then the war can end one way or the other.
why would he go anywhere near the PCs who have plenty of experience killing infiltrators, why take the risk
a treaty would trap many of those with either having to go along with it or exposing themselves by trying to continue the war
isnt that B'vat's plan?
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I'm with you on this one, if not for anything else - then for the same reasons you stated here. Seriously people, diversity is a good thing. Making everything the same is bad.
Besides, we have a pretty good KDF-Fed war going on here on the forums. :P The devs. only need to find a way to transfer that potential in-game and we'll have a riot and tons of fun.;)
And I can't stop laughing at people declaring being 'annoyed' by the war? LOL!! How the heck does the war 'annoy' you? There's no persistent PvP, no sandbox, no territory control.....you can pretty much ignore the war if you wanted to. So do tell, how could it possibly annoy you? And what do you expect to change and be different from now if it ends?
There is no KDF-Fed war in the forums. :rolleyes:
It is Feds begging for T5 Connies and worthy T5 Galaxies.
Kling whining for more. . . anything.
And rommies crying to be more than children fought over by separated parents.
:P
(Emoticons for partial sarcasm)
Here is what I see as the issue from both directions and they are both meta.
Ending the war shuts down PvP for anything except 'wargames'. Starbases no longer need to be attacked by the opposing factions. Heck they barely are needed at all.
Intro play will be a mess unless all of it is either rewritten or the new episodes are clearly written as being years later than the intros for the players from any faction.
Advantage is that it makes the future delta quadrant/dyson/iconian campaigns more cross faction friendly.
Reviving the war shuts down cooperative locations. No more new Romulus for Feds and Klingons. (Note how our reps tore into Kaol about the alliance gateways.) Unless new gateways appear in fed and KDF territory there is no access to the dyson sphere(s) as they will be embattled on and probably destroyed. Romulans will need to be a complete faction as the middle road effect won't work anymore.
From the development stand point I do not see it possible to do either without a major revamp of the whole game.
In game I can argue it in both directions. The Klingon empire keeps ending up on the short end of the technology stick while being sent to fight and die for these snobby fools. "Well I see there is a possible threat. But why get weapons? Can't we talk to them for a few decades first?"
The Federation is tired of trying to give quality of life improvements to the Klingons only to be called to assault each and every new life form the psychotic misanthropes see. "Look there is a rabbit! To WAR!"
And reverse. Always on the short end of the technology stick. The Federation is better at it than the Klingons and the Klingons are better at fighting. Is it not better to have both sides do what they are good at for a mutual goal? Feds make the ships. The Klingons fight in them. And the strongest of Federation members join the warriors in honour as the weakest of the empire join the federation in supporting the glory? This works from the Federation stand point as well as they prefer to use science and could work with the romulans in reconnaissance to find new dangers and form plans to deal with them. They just need competent guards.
After all look at the effects in both sphere and between the stars. Drop a scientist and politicians on a gate and they setup a time table to turn it on for publicity. The warriors and engineers wanted more caution to know what would happen. And so the scientist gets compromised and things get ugly. Send civilian scientists to take control of an active installation that a known hostile force wants to use. The fleet should have been there before Tuvok. Not to rescue him.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
The Undine infiltrators J'mpok and his lackeys, most of whom are almost certainly infiltrators, are exposed. The Empire is nearly destroyed, along with their subjects among the Gorn, Orions, etc. They come crawling to the Federation and Romulan Republic for help. After careful consideration, the Federation decides not to shoot the dog in the head this once, and the tattered remains of the once-kind-of-great empire try to get a few shots in against the Iconians before their betters win the glorious victory.
Seriously, how does going to war against the Federation do anything at all but help the Undine? That's a terrible idea. The Klingons are just as riddled with infiltrators as the Federation, and said infiltrators were almost certainly responsible for the war. But what really needs to happen is for what is nearly the most boring and hackneyed faction in the game to just shoved into the gutter and forgotten about.
Don't misunderstand me -- I'm not all that much of a fan of the Federation either. In terms of culture, the Romulan Republic are the only ones I really like, Mary Sues or no.
On those grounds alone I say end the war
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No its not just time to end the wars.
Since we are approaching the 4th anniversary I would say : 4 years ago it was JUST time to end it.
The war makes no sense in any remote way.
It was supposed to be the "Base" of pvp. But pvp in the game has exactly ZERO immersion.
The only effect the war ever had was no team up between the factions, wich menans kdf players couldn't find teams.
Story wise:
STO was supposed to PROGRESS the Star Trek story. And Klingon federation war is no progress its the opposite. This war was already done.
Even the backlash in DS9 season 4 was not generally liked. Here it was just repeated.
And in STOs own story:
WTF?
Alliance to fight the Borg
Alliance to fight the Both
Alliance to fight the Breen
Alliance to fight the Dominion
Alliance to fight the Tal'shiar
But at war with each other.
Yeah thats happening all the time isn't it?
Don't your remember the part of world war 2, in real history, where the US were invading TRIBBLE germany while, on another front in the east, TRIBBLE and US troops where allied to fight the Russians?
No? Because things like that do not happen....
*rant ends*