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Highly disappointed in the new science ships
issueman1
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Merging an escort with an science ship is not the way to fix the science class. Instead of reworking the science abilities like you should be doing you give us a worthless hybrid. A true science ship or a true escort both properly fit will beat a Dyson ship properly fit. And then there's the Roms get battle cloak, Klingons get cloak and Feds get what?
I can tell everyone at cryptic are escort fan boys, but I play science because it's not the F.O.T.M. type of class. I prefer to not play the mainstream.
Ship LOOKS great, but come on. You're blurring the roles of the two classes. As of right now, there really isn't any reason to not play escort as a science officer...
I can tell everyone at cryptic are escort fan boys, but I play science because it's not the F.O.T.M. type of class. I prefer to not play the mainstream.
Ship LOOKS great, but come on. You're blurring the roles of the two classes. As of right now, there really isn't any reason to not play escort as a science officer...
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So the ship with the biggest guns wins? Well that's combat for yah. We might somehow expect complicated class-based gameplay to reduce down to a relationship as perfect as rock-paper-scissors but unfortunately that won't ever happen. Something in a game like this will always be better to use than other things, so why use it as the basis to complain about a novel ship type? However less competitive it is against the right answer to the question of STO it's got some fancy bells and whistles which are, quite honestly, much more preferable to yet another ship of a type I already have.
Say they gave us a dedicated escort, or dedicated science ship. Unless they simply made it better than my Aventine or Mobius I probably wouldn't care enough to grind for more than one of them. As it is I'm running four characters through Q's anniversary sweatshop and I'm shooting for a dyson ship bundle once those hit the C-store.
Why? Because they're different. They're something that I haven't played with (much) in the two years I've personally spent with this game. It's the entertainment value you should be focusing on, not irreconcilable balance problems of a type ALL games have (at some level.)
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"Can Load Cannons" does not an escort make. :rolleyes:
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Its a sci ship with cannons its not a escort guess u dont take the fact its base turn rate is slower then a escort n its shield mod is higher its fun sci ship thats all. Plus i think it has cannons because players wonted a sci ship with cannons.
There's a word for that: generalist. :P
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Nah, players-schmayers. :P I'm betting the Vesta class has cannons because it's a part of the liscence deal with the author. The U.S.S. Aventine had those cannons in the Destiny novels, so they're pretty much integral to the ship and not something Cryptic invented.
No, you can't have a cloak. Get over it. You knew the differences when you signed up.
As for "what do the Feds get". The Feds get the D'Kyr, Vesta, Retro Nova/Fleet Nova, Retro Olympic/Fleet Olympic, Retro Nebula/Fleet Nebula, Retro Intrepid/Fleet Intrepid, Deep Space Science/Mirror DSSV/Fleet DSSV and the Recon Science Vessel/Mirror RSV/Fleet RSV. And that's only at T5.
Klingons only have Varanus/Fleet Varanus. And the Romulans only have Na'Nom/Fleet Na'Nom.
So how about getting some perspective, yeah?
My Aventine can out damage most escorts with ease and still out heal and out tank them as well. Slap some Elite Scorpions in its bay and you have an utterly ruthless vessel that outshines most other ships in the entire Federation Fleet. However, the Aventine is not an Escort Science Hybrid it is a Flight Deck Cruiser, Escort, Science Ship Hybrid with some pure Win sprinkled in for good measure.
As for the new Dyson Ships... Yeah...
If you get it on the Fed Side you are kind of silly... The Aventine may be more difficult to fly than the Dyson ship will be but for $50.00 (same as the Dyson ship to come) the Aventine is a vastly superior Science Vessel.
It is the first and only Science Vessel for the Romulans, that is not in a stupid Lock Box, so it is a good ship for them. It is okay for the Klingons as well but not particularly amazing from what I have seen so far.
The no cloak for Feds thing is really getting annoying though. They have long since made cloak even better than the Romulans and their treaty with the Romulans should long since be null and void so what gives?
Furthermore, this is what ruins the Veteran ships as well. The Federation one is clearly outclassed by the other two with their Battle Cloaks.
Yeah same person, bashing consistantly... isn't NWN or WoW-mazers calling you back to your home? :rolleyes:
The Federation renewed their commitment to not developing cloaking technology after they were caught in June 2395 after a ship was destroyed while using their cloaking technology in researching the Hobus Supernova. This resulted in the Romulans and Klingons to remove all their diplomats from Federation space until a Summit was called and renewed their commitment to peace. You can find it in the Path to 2409 Volume 16 Chapter 1 and 2 accolades.
Therefore, until there is some summit with the Romulan Republic and Klingon Empire that allows Federation to use cloaking technology, then the Federation has absolutely no legal basis to using any cloaking technology.
Sometimes I wonder how the heck the feds and klinks can be at war, if the feds are constantly giving up things to appease the klinks. My response would've been: we're at war, suck it.
On topic: The science ship is an odd duck. I love it on my romulan, but I can safely say that I wouldn't grab the thing on any other character. The BOff swapping is a weird mechanic, and sometimes I'm not sure whether it would be better to have grav well 3, or cannon scatter 3.
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I would assume that the Federation would just develop Phase Cloaks that can fire while cloaked which would ruin any gameplay balance in this game.
Personally, I find cloaks to not belong to the Federation's style. Easiest method would be just to raise the hull and shield strength within reason of all Fed ships to balance them with Romulan and Klingon ships, but maybe an exclusive Federation mechanic would be better.
ya i feel the same way
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No, the vesta is a damn good science vessel. Not an escort my any means, although her aux cannons make her try to be. She's a decent science cruiser with a decent capacity for damage.
Just got done running the FE for the Space Set which I promptly placed on the Mogh my Sci char flies. This has some good abilities which are beneficial to his class. Gonna acquire it for my Tac char as well.
As to the 'Escort Fan Boys' remark. Really? One of the nicknames for this game is "Escorts Online". You can see it all over these forums. Where you been?
It's not because I agree with him. I don't mind the new ship, I like it personally however I agree totally that this is not the solution to the problems that Science Space Skills have faced all along anymore than adding new consoles that have specifically science skills on those consoles will fix the problems!
They seriously need to take the time to sit down with all of the other skills other than TR/GW and they need to add the skills that were in Voyager that we've still not seen added to the game yet. This whole package in Season 8 was supposed to be all about science, all about Voyager and all about the Science of the Voth ships/ground troops yet all I've seen is a new limited grind fest for new rep and new gear with no emphasis on fixing the troubles that are inherent to the science class. A great example of a gimped power is feedback pulse, something that would easily cause a breach in the core of any ship when it's used yet it's hardly a tickle now.
Don't misunderstand I'm enjoying the ground/space gameplay and the story but there's alot of work that needs doing. One of the major issues is changing the kinetic damage BACK to exotic in many of these skills so they can be affected by Part Gen and bypass shields like they should.
Actually, as I see it, science officers have very little synergy with science ships. Science officers only bring 5 powers to the table everything else comes from the boffs and can be ignored. Those 5 are all long-cooldown-short-duration. Thus they combine with burst damage to be used to maximum effect. Science ships don't do burst damage very well. Science ships do low sustained damage.
On the other hand, Engineers have powers that buff power, which is great for science ships since it pumps up the Aux for all the fun space toys. They also have miracle worker to max shield and hull heals, and science ships have very nice shield mods. Tactical officers have low recharge powers that are available for every spawn and similar timers to most of the boff science abilities. Plus they can recharge boff abilities faster.
As I see it, both engineers and tactical officers have better synergy with science ships than science officers. The two exceptions being the vesta and the dyson destroyer/science ship since the cannons give spike damage that fits within the window of the captain's debuffs. Outside of these twoships, I think science officers should fly escorts for maximum synergy with captain and boff powers.
I play KDF primarily and anniversary ship fills a HUGE hole in the KDF ship line up.. I WILL get the 3 pack of the KDF versrion when it hits the C-Store, and if a fleet version eventually follows I'll get that too!
Of course some folks are "upset" over this ship... But no KDF players I've talked to are upset about this particular ship, and few Romulan players, no matter which faction alignment.
Either way.. It's not going to get nerfed, or removed so, if that's even what your looking for, forget it, not going to happen.
After 4 years of playing STO hearing "hurt" over a specific ship is getting real old.
Also after 4 years of STO they'll be more ships in the future to gripe over too..
Just glad to see this ship for the KDF.. for MY faction it's going to be a step up. Don't be to surprised to see quite a few of these in PvP in KDF hands... A Science ship that can deliver DPS in its second mode.. totally awesome!
As for Science skills.. yea, love to see more of 'em...this ship introduces secondary deflectors.. of which we will see more of.
Maybe, just maybe we might eventually see the end of the sad running commentary/criticism/ joke of STO being referred to as "Escorts Online"
who can tell me whats wrong with it in this pic ?
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I'll most likely never use it in tactical mode, as TBR3 will give me FAR more damage than a proton DHC none of my tac consoles will boost.
As a bonus, the ship looks awesome.
im confused...
in the FE.
the ship gets a solo Tray for set abilities and tactical mode but we don't get that outside of the FE?