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Dyson set overpowered
marc8219
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The combination of the set bonus, the gravimetric torp and canon and following up with a BO if needed is way to OP , making kills as easy when double tap was around. There is already enough crit bonuses from the new tac consoles and all the torp and crit bonuses you get from this set put it over the top. If there isn't going to be a nerf to all this damage we need more ways to our resists up and defend against spike.
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that leaves you vulnerable to proton damage which all the Voth gear has.
I don't know how often you can do it because I havent tried it myself, but even if it is less often, a full aplha with this gear seems even more powerful
That doesn't seem to help much, maybe we need some kind of flat crit resist stat or CritH/CritD bonuses needs to be lowered. The new dyson tac consoles make this way too high also.
THe bolded, I believe that is defense and distance
What is so funny when the SFM was given as a drop all those years ago no one knew what the hell proton weapons were.
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Just because you have fancy gear doesn't mean you're decent or good in PVP. Gear plays a role, but there's a bunch of different factors that go into successful PVP.
How well you know the game mechanics.
Quickly grasping the style of play of the opponent(s), what buffs they're running, etc.
Knowing when to really lay into the target is very key, and not just when you've got all your TAC BUFFs running.
And of course, going Kirk (i.e. trying to roll around alone) will usually lead to your demise.
And that is the tip of the iceberg. There's alot of little things that you need to be good at to be competent, and a contributor to your team in PVP.
The fact you go into this thread to ***** about Dyson Set and you yourself even say that you are not even sure if Dyson equipment was involved should say alot about your state in PVP... i.e. you don't know what the enemy is doing. You have poor situational awareness.
When we PVP, we of course know we will get blown up. Some far more than others. You need to learn how to read your opponents and know what they're doing. You do that, and you will learn how you're getting killed all the time. You learn this, then you learn how to defend against it if it's possible on your ship and build. More importantly, you learn how to read your opponent, then you will learn how and when to take the fight to him. At the right time.
Nerf is X, plz OP
They're already dead, they PvP so they might live.
Well, like you're indicating yourself, it's not your equipment, it's YOU.
Seriously, Dyson set isn't all that stellar to begin with. It's got one thing going for itself, which is the Hyper-regenative shielding thingy. Unfortunately, you need the full 4-part set for that, having to sacrifice (rather significantly) in other areas. There's a reason it's only 750 Dyson Marks. :P
Oh, and the shield is very pretty. Yup, that it is.
You forgot Proton barrage
Oh that 18k+ is WITHOUTH GDF imao
Hmm, interesting. I have used Proton Barrage before, of course, but, admittedly, without Dyson rep Tact consoles, as they yield what, like 16% regular dmg each? (as opposed to a VL Console, that does 31.2%, iirc; not in game right now) As a result, I've never seriously considered them, and usually just trash them. I will give your idea a try, though.
Not convinced by the proton barrage. It should not be your primary killing method. bare in mind it borks your BO as your using the rep store consoles instead of spire tac consoles. Ergo your Crth is significantly reduced as well for your BO.
Each set/ console has it's pro and cons, have you also noticed the 1 second activation for the proton barrage? how's that doing for you? Btw Emoe has far higher damage with Proton Barrage.
A test in Kerrat and pug stomping is different against a test for seasoned players. You should not be able to vape on your own a single target if they are good, especially if they are Sci/ Eng captains.
If you kill people with just proton barrage alone, they are fail targets.
- Gohan (House of Beautiful /Sad Pandas)
You are right it is not primary , but it can compliment lots of builds nicely. even without tac consoles that boost it we are looking at 12k+ direct hull dmg (or more as you pointed out)
to 5 ppl max, and strips buffs
yea that 1s sometimes gets me, but sometimes it works in my favour
I rearly go to Kerrat, and when I Pug Im on reciving end usually lol , we tested it in fleet PvP to get some numbers
My pint is that you get a nice AoE Spike dmg to Hull power, that you dont have to invest much in , just pop Auh batery before you use it ,requires litle skill to use (it has similar arc like CSv), and can be used every 1,5 min
Nothing in STO is really "I win button" alone, what kills people is stacking stuff, and in short time
Imagine 5 ppl using it at same time, and those 5 ppl are allredy in FAW scims lol
It's nice to have yes, but the 1 S activation delays and screws up my timing and the cons of having a slower engine and a lower cap shields doesn't suit my build.
Buffed up only does about 5k non crit damage for me, which is just a scratch tbh.
If you like using it and it works for you, good for you, but my build is not suited for this
- Gohan (House of Beautiful /Sad Pandas)
No the torp, cannon, and set bonus are also OP, at least in pvp.
OP killed by mean nasty red photons!
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Claims of OP are too OP.......
I said it was OP with too much spike damage. All these cloaks everywhere make it op, the protonic dyson set not the other though.
There's a Dyson cannon too?! Link it, please, or it doesn't exist. :P
(Unless you're referring to your personal store Protonic Polaron cannons)
I should have clarified because there are 2 Dyson sets, I meant the protonic arsenal Dyson Set it has an experimental proton weapon and a riddiculously powerful torpedo and crit and proton damage bonuses.
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Protonic_Arsenal
I'm well familiar with the set (I have everything :P) But the EPW isn't a true cannon, although, confusingly, the full set enables CRF on it ("It's a cannon, Jim, but not as we know it.")
Can't say I find the EPW horribly OP, really. Together with the Particle Stabilizer it offers a yummie +3.0% CrtH, but you need to sacrifice a console slot for it, of course; and the EPW itself, with its limited 180 Arc, essentially you're giving up a turret for it (as in having 1 less weapon). Can't really replace a DHC for it, either.
Gravimetric Torp + Particle Stabilizer is a good combo, though. None of which really makes the Dyson Space Set (with the shield et al) really all that OP.
When you use that stuff in combination with a Romulan with all superior operative boffs and 4 or 5 Spire tac consoles it does become OP, you can do alphas more powerful then the old double tap that got so much complaints before.
I WONDER WHERE THOSE CAN BE FOUND