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intrinsicalintrinsical Member Posts: 208 Arc User
I'm plotting out a reunification story between Vulcans and the Romulan Republic. Here is my take on what each faction feels about reunification. Do you guys feel that my take is accurate to each faction's character and personality?

The Federation on the whole believes this is an internal matter between the Vulcan and New Romulus. So the Prime Directive of non-interference would apply. Meaning they would not do anything official to further reunification. Is this assessment accurate?

The Tal'Shiar and Sela's faction is definitely against reunification. Chances are they would probably do anything they can to stop it from happening. (I plan for them to be the bad guys in the foundry mission)

The Romulan half of the Romulan Republic is most likely pro-reunification because D'Tan was a student of Spock. I figure he would be actively pushing for reunification with the Vulcans.

That leaves the Reman half of the Romulan Republic. I have no idea how they, especially their leader Obisek, would feel about reunification. What do you guys think? Would the Remans support the Romulan Republic in attempts at reunification? Or would they feel all energy should be focused on building up New Romulus and that reunification should be put on hold?
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  • wanderer89wanderer89 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Speaking as a Romulan rp'er here and a long time Trekker;

    Twice the Romulans have extended a hand of friendship to the Vulcans. Twice they have denied us. When we asked the Vulcans to assist us before the Hobus supernove entered the Romulus system, they refused stating the "prime directive". At the time most of the Alpha Quadrant species believed the supernova was a natural event. Ambassador Spock had to, in secret, build a ship with Starfleets Corp of Engineers but this was too little, too late. Our Homeworld was gone.

    I will, till my last stand against the Tal Shiar and help this new Republic be born free from the old Empire. If he asks me however to call a Vulcan "brother", that I will not do. We are the exiles. Vulcans last taboo. I will never forgive and I will never forget.
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  • paxfederaticapaxfederatica Member Posts: 1,496 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    The Federation on the whole believes this is an internal matter between the Vulcan and New Romulus. So the Prime Directive of non-interference would apply. Meaning they would not do anything official to further reunification. Is this assessment accurate?

    Not quite. Vulcan is already a Federation member (and a founding one at that), so in effect Vulcan would be "interfering" with New Romulus on the Federation's behalf. Furthermore, for the same reason, any formal reunification between Vulcan and NR would, for all intents and purposes, amount to New Romulus joining the Federation without going through the usual admittance process - not to mention the obvious diplomatic fallout with the Romulan Star Empire and the Klingons (who, remember, are also assisting NR).

    In other words, not only would the Federation do nothing to further Vulcan/NR reunification efforts, in all likelihood they would actively oppose those efforts. For a multitude of reasons, I highly doubt that even Vulcan's own government would sign off on any attempt at reunification either.
  • adverberoadverbero Member Posts: 2,045 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    i think there would be some conflict of interest for the Federation#

    On the one hand the diplomatic corps are likely real excited by the idea, real happy to mediate anything that comes up

    But i think that some elements of Starfleet are highly likely top oppose it based pretty much on what Paxfederatica said

    Though that said, what kind of explotative angle would S31/ official Inteligence branch have on this? they always want to gain something where it can be gained
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  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    The Romulan half of the Romulan Republic is most likely pro-reunification because D'Tan was a student of Spock. I figure he would be actively pushing for reunification with the Vulcans.
    Not really. D'Tan is a reunificationist. Doesn't mean the Romulan in a whole are, even if he is their leader. In fact, in STO, I don't see him push for reunification, not once. The Alliance is a way to protect his people, and he is also allied to the Klingon anyway.

    As a leader, he have to makes his own belief second, behind what his people want. And right now, the Romulan doesn't seems to want a reunification. That's why he is rebuilding a new Romulus, and not asking asylum to the Vulcan.


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  • drogyn1701drogyn1701 Member Posts: 3,606 Media Corps
    edited January 2014
    Seems like these differing viewpoints could be incorporated into the mission itself.
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  • thegreendragoon1thegreendragoon1 Member Posts: 1,872 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    There might be some toward reunification, or at least normalization of relations between New Romulus and Vulcan, but that is years if not decades out. The New Romulans are still trying to figure out who they are. They won't pursue reunification until they are sure of their own identity.

    As to the Federation, I think there would be elements with in it that both support and resist reunification. The same will be true of those on Vulcan. At the moment, the fundamental disagreement that caused the Sundering, Vulcan emotion, is still present. Spock was unique in that he found a balance between these two paradigms, but the vast majority of Vulcans and Romulans don't. It took Spock his entire life to reach that balance, and he had the advantage of being half human.
  • fmgtorres1979fmgtorres1979 Member Posts: 1,327 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Firstly, let me just say this is merely my personal opinion.

    To be honest I am starting to have issues about the way the romulans are being re-written. It seems there's always an effort to "gooderize" (like the word? just made it up) the adversary/enemy. The klingons have to be "nicer", the cardassians need to be more kind, etc, etc... Every different species/empire that doesn't share the Federation's view gets at some point a "twist" to become "better", more friendly. Why? Why is the klingon way wrong? Why are romulans evil? Why don't we simply let these cultures be what they are? They all do "bad" things depending on their agendas, but is the Federation completely good? It fights in a lot of wars, denies assistance and interference in a lot of situations in which they could help due to the prime directive. So why do we need a romulan republic? Why do we need the romulans to re-unite with the vulcans? They are nothing alike. Their mindset is different, their goals are different, except for biology they are different in almost everything.
    And to reply in a more direct manner to the OP, I don't think your average romulan or vulcan for that matter would want reunification. That shouldn't even cross their minds. In Earth terms, do US citizens often think about reuniting with the UK? Does an UK citizen think the US should reunite? Even the remans with the romulans would be problematic, let alone the vulcans.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Well... it's like the old saying goes.... your enemy is never as evil as the news reports make him out to be.

    For a real world analogy, the Cold War was brought on by the policies of the governments of the various nations involved. The average citizen had nothing to do with it.

    The TV shows didn't give us a good idea as to what the average Romulan really thought of the way things were. We did get a bunch of bits about "Tal Shiar is evil". But aside from that, not a lot.
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  • gurluasgurluas Member Posts: 464 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    The two nations uniting is something that will happen far off in the future.
    D'tan intends to make the Romulans strong again before he will continue his work on reunification.

    For now I recommend working on the Khaiell colony, which is a colony inhabited by Vulcan and Romulan reunificationists.
  • joshglassjoshglass Member Posts: 159 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I'm plotting out a reunification story between Vulcans and the Romulan Republic. Here is my take on what each faction feels about reunification. Do you guys feel that my take is accurate to each faction's character and personality?

    The Federation on the whole believes this is an internal matter between the Vulcan and New Romulus. So the Prime Directive of non-interference would apply. Meaning they would not do anything official to further reunification. Is this assessment accurate?

    The Tal'Shiar and Sela's faction is definitely against reunification. Chances are they would probably do anything they can to stop it from happening. (I plan for them to be the bad guys in the foundry mission)

    The Romulan half of the Romulan Republic is most likely pro-reunification because D'Tan was a student of Spock. I figure he would be actively pushing for reunification with the Vulcans.

    That leaves the Reman half of the Romulan Republic. I have no idea how they, especially their leader Obisek, would feel about reunification. What do you guys think? Would the Remans support the Romulan Republic in attempts at reunification? Or would they feel all energy should be focused on building up New Romulus and that reunification should be put on hold?

    How is Reunification defined?

    Is it Vulcans and Romulans all being one people again under one government or is it simply being able to exist again in peace, able to trust one another?

    If it's the former than it's just not going to happen, ever. Vulcans assert Logic and the Romulans would never go that route, they already made that choice when they left.

    If it's the latter than there is no diplomatic issue with it, and they are on that road already. Personally I think the idea of Reunification as spoken by Spock and now D'Tan is that simple idea of loving each other (like the family they are) again, being able to say that despite the separation they are one people even if divided by philosophical difference. Accepting each other despite the strong differences in ways of thought that divide them.
  • intrinsicalintrinsical Member Posts: 208 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    joshglass wrote: »
    How is Reunification defined?

    Is it Vulcans and Romulans all being one people again under one government or is it simply being able to exist again in peace, able to trust one another?

    If it's the former than it's just not going to happen, ever. Vulcans assert Logic and the Romulans would never go that route, they already made that choice when they left.

    If it's the latter than there is no diplomatic issue with it, and they are on that road already. Personally I think the idea of Reunification as spoken by Spock and now D'Tan is that simple idea of loving each other (like the family they are) again, being able to say that despite the separation they are one people even if divided by philosophical difference. Accepting each other despite the strong differences in ways of thought that divide them.


    It is going to be a decades, if not century long process. It is only going to happen when Romulans realize they aren't so dissimilar from Vulcans and vice versa, that they share a lot in common. Similar to the reunification of China and Taiwan, I believe it is going to start with allowing civilians from both sides to visit each planet. Maybe a little trade.

    I have not really decided the exact details of my foundry mission, but I am considering putting a Federation Captain, a Vulcan Minister and a Romulan Senator through some kind of trial and tribulation so the Vulcan and Romulan end up being good friends. Its just going to sow the seeds of reunification.
  • atomictikiatomictiki Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Make peace with the Federation! Make peace with the Klingons! I would sooner burn the "Republic" and New Romulus to the ground than suffer further humiliation by stifling our passions, our life with "logic."

    Any move by D'Tan toward Reunification will be swiftly answered by all true Romulans.
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  • revandarklighterrevandarklighter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    wanderer89 wrote: »
    Speaking as a Romulan rp'er here and a long time Trekker;

    Twice the Romulans have extended a hand of friendship to the Vulcans. Twice they have denied us. When we asked the Vulcans to assist us before the Hobus supernove entered the Romulus system, they refused stating the "prime directive". At the time most of the Alpha Quadrant species believed the supernova was a natural event. Ambassador Spock had to, in secret, build a ship with Starfleets Corp of Engineers but this was too little, too late. Our Homeworld was gone.

    I will, till my last stand against the Tal Shiar and help this new Republic be born free from the old Empire. If he asks me however to call a Vulcan "brother", that I will not do. We are the exiles. Vulcans last taboo. I will never forgive and I will never forget.

    It's been a while since I have read that poorly written comic but I believe the reason was less "prime directive" it was more "something could go wrong and the red matter might end up in the romulans hands (wow that worked out just fine didn't it..) so we will rather watch all romulans die horribly then lifting a finger".
    Wich is why the originally supposed to be quiet sympathetic Nero became a 1dimensional villain.

    But I 100% agree with the conclusion: after that there is no room for a reunification. Never ever. There isn't even room for corporation with the federation as long as the vulcans are part of it. We rather ally with the former mortal enemy, the Klingons, then anything remotely connected Vulcan after that.
    adverbero wrote: »
    i think there would be some conflict of interest for the Federation#

    On the one hand the diplomatic corps are likely real excited by the idea, real happy to mediate anything that comes up

    But i think that some elements of Starfleet are highly likely top oppose it based pretty much on what Paxfederatica said

    Though that said, what kind of explotative angle would S31/ official Inteligence branch have on this? they always want to gain something where it can be gained

    Actually the ops suggested tendencies are very much in the interests of the federation. On long term a reunification could ultimately mean that the nice romulans might end up joining the federation *shrug*
    The federation would want that.... But for reasons given above, any romulan should not want this.
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