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ericphail
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My Science Captain is Flying a vesta and using nice shiny aux DHCs
Fore: Aux DHCx2 Grav Photon
Aft: KCB, Omni AP, Exp Proton wep
(I'm aware this is a less than stellar layout but I find it fun)
He runs very high aux, for awesome science and his DHCs, and about 50 each for shields and weps (engine is my usual min power slot)
But I've noticed of late that shield power doesn't really do much anymore/at the moment so should I change from my current set 55/50/15/80 IIRC to something more like 60/25/25/90 for example.
Notes: Shield power only seems to affect SDR at the moment, also I run EPtS 1 x2
(Specific Advice for my captain and general thoughts on the importance of the need for power balance are all welcome)
Fore: Aux DHCx2 Grav Photon
Aft: KCB, Omni AP, Exp Proton wep
(I'm aware this is a less than stellar layout but I find it fun)
He runs very high aux, for awesome science and his DHCs, and about 50 each for shields and weps (engine is my usual min power slot)
But I've noticed of late that shield power doesn't really do much anymore/at the moment so should I change from my current set 55/50/15/80 IIRC to something more like 60/25/25/90 for example.
Notes: Shield power only seems to affect SDR at the moment, also I run EPtS 1 x2
(Specific Advice for my captain and general thoughts on the importance of the need for power balance are all welcome)
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My suggestion would be to lower it and put it into engines, never stop moving, and keep your defense rating high. If shield energy loss becomes a huge issue then put it back up. You can use capacitors, batteries, and EP2S to keep shield power high enough not to matter.
No, in PvP I idle with max shield power to dull alpha strikes before I can respond. The difference with and without it isn't hard to see. I'm a engineer with a good EPS skill. Spiking power in a hurry isn't really a problem once a fight starts.
Yes, In PvP or STFs unless your just trying to buy time a fight can start and be over in seconds. Being dead with -50,000 or -200,000 hp isn't really going change the fact your dead.
Personally, I would lose the KCB: You're not exactly lacking for kinetic damage with the Gravtorp already, OWA doesn't help you here, and this means you can cram some other setpiece onto your butt. Or install a third cannon and shove the torp onto your butt instead.
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
They make thing like a shield battery or capacitor charge instantly more useful. Don't know that it's a sure thing, but the event that grants them has repeated once a year for the last three years.
As someone already suggested, battery. Fights tend to be short and brutal in STFs or PvP. The battery buff has a even chance of lasting longer then you when you come underfire, or at least long enough to transfer power.
Something to consider when planning power levels (and a DOff to be on the look out for).
For each 10 shield power you get 3% damage resistance if I remember correctly, so missing out on say 30-40 power which is the realistic loss if you specked anything into warp core potential and efficiency is only 9-12% which you can get more by rotating emergency power to shields.
Another thing worth remembering is shield passive regen sucks compared to abilities, also that no amount of passive regen or resistance will help against the shear amount of alpha damage there currently is in game, it's abilities like tactical team, rotate shield polarity and various set prods that stop them.
It would be nice to know if this was for PvP or PvE and perhaps a bit more about your build. If you make it on stoacademy's build planner and link it to us more tailored advice can be given not just about shield power but other little tricks.
Edit: I know it's not relevant but I can see someone asking it, if you're a Romulan, grab yourself the valdore console and never worry about shield power or heals so long as you keep firing. Has a 2.5% chance per shot to heal your shields for 200% of the damage done which is usually enough to refill you. Should be useable on the new 4th anniversary ship but costs I think 1000Zen.
It is through repetition that we learn our weakness.
A master with a stone is better than a novice with a sword.
Has damage got out of control?
This is the last thing I will post.
Does shield power actually affect regeneration at the moment? (the defense tab and several comments I've seen in Doffjobs etc. suggest it doesn't at the moment)
If not then the SDR only is not that impressive
Also:
Point taken on weps being dump stat, and the point re:KCB (I'll probably cycle the Assimilated module off as well, as I'm a bit Universal console heavy). Think I'll try go to 25/25/50/100 and adjust from there.
According to the wiki at 50 power it has normal regen, the amount listed on the shield. For every point of shield power over it increases regen by 4%.
So at 75 shield power you have +100% regen, 100 is +200% and 125 is +300%. However that is only affecting the regen and it only happens every 6 seconds. Even the most regenerative shield will only get about 1500 at most per facing every 6s. Might be alright with lots of little fighters swarming around you but won't hold up against frigates a lot of the time.
It is through repetition that we learn our weakness.
A master with a stone is better than a novice with a sword.
Has damage got out of control?
This is the last thing I will post.
Yeah. Not sure sure Omni AP should be part of your phaser setup. And it will suffer from less power to weps, of course. As will your KCB.
As for shield, I tend to start em off at 75, so they'll be at 100 with an EPtS1 (and regardless, with a Leech). These days I run an Escort with 2x EPtW instead, and survive every Elite with ease.
Well take it from someone that has been here long enough to have moss growing on them, it does affect regen of shields.
I was just quoting the wiki as it was actually right for a change.
It is through repetition that we learn our weakness.
A master with a stone is better than a novice with a sword.
Has damage got out of control?
This is the last thing I will post.
Don't count on pure shield regeneration to save you. Just being there mean's it's helpful but endgame PvE or PvP is going to be kicking in your shields at 1-5K damage a hit with dozens of hits per regeneration cycle. Shield resistance , or powered up shield heals from high power levels or teammates might help you.
Shield regeneration is something you'd miss if it's gone, but by the time it's done enough to weigh into a fight the fight has already been decided.
You have a point there but 2 things: (1. I forgot my login details for the wiki and can't be bothered to make another account) and more importantly 2. If something that even I can see is wrong has remained so for years, then anything else is a bit suspect to me.
Yes I'm aware that 1 is pure laziness but... Please note: I don't want to start an arguement over this, it is just my opinion of the wiki - useful in general but not something I trust to be up to date wrt game mechanics (eg. whats broken on FAW this week
Wasn't trying to start an argument on it in the least...was just a case of if there was something worth complaining about, then perhaps it's worth updating. Heck, I just made note in another thread that something had not been updated there...but I was very, very, very, very careful not to complain about that. :P
Yeah, I get that combination of pseudo-laziness, not wanting to be bothered, having to track yet another account, and all the rest that goes with trying to keep something like that up. Wasn't a case of calling you out on in it in the least - was just a general statement...that perhaps there are folks out there that would like to contribute, etc, etc, etc.
Would be nifty if we could get somebody that dinged the boss' car in the parking lot or something to do some community service over there from Cryptic too.
As for testing the regen, that would be a tough one - need a friend, low power weapon, slide the settings, see what comes of it, eh? And if one was going to go through that effort...they might as well update the wiki, eh?
In short to your question, the answer is yes, and can be easily tested by losing some shield strength and watching how much is healed per facing every 6secs out of combat (FYI have a friend help you test it).
The main reason you won't see it effecting the regen rate in the ship defense screen, is because it is broken information that shows ONLY the base regen rate, and not including all other mods and bonuses effecting the total value.
There was an issue awhile back with no information being displayed in ship data as to how much your actual regen rate was, so the best fix so far was to have each and every array list only the base value, and has been like that ever since.
But if you take some shield damage at varying power levels, and pay attention to the strength values they show like current 8500/10000 cap for example, and watch how much is healed every 6secs it will show the definitive effect shield power has on your total regen rate.
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
Edit: Here ya go.
It is through repetition that we learn our weakness.
A master with a stone is better than a novice with a sword.
Has damage got out of control?
This is the last thing I will post.