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gabriael69
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this probly said already but i find their not alot of love for klingon ships compared to the feds and it not like klingon's just came out like romu faction my point is not everone wana play the weak willed feds and having less options for your play style just sucks:mad:
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Um, seriously though.... Got Mogh? :P
My character Tsin'xing
Pfft. Mogh, so 2013...
I'm sure your DPS is great, but as Kahless said, "a petaQ with high system mastery is still a petaQ." (Well, he should have said it...!)
Do you know, that out of 239 playable ships
- 101 are Fed Ships (~42%)
- 73 are Klingon ( ~30%)
- 41 are Romulan ( ~17%) (only the pure Romulan ships)
- 24 are Crossfaction ( ~10%) (ships like Voth Bastion and Tuffli Freighter etc)
ignore any ship below tier 5.
Fed ships availble at end game outnumber KDF ships avaible by closer to 2:1, thats including all c-store, fleet and mirror versions.
KDF has no Klingon science ships other then the lock box Korath temporal destroyer and ita lobi store mirror counter part (not a science ship). The other KDF Science ships are Gorn.
The only truely unique ships we have are our big carrier doubles as a science ship) and the Kar'fi tactical carrier (NOT a science ship) and our Birds of Prey raiders which give up quite a bit and require an expert level of understaning of the game to get the best use out of them.
It's been pretty rough being KDF for th last 4 years... There have only been a thin hand full actual new ships added since launch.. most have been variation of existing ships (refit. retrofit, fleet)
The fleet Tor'khat was a purchasable c-store reskin of the Vorcha.. when fleet ships were introduced the skin was pulled from the store to create what is essentialy a more tactical varient of the Vorcha.
We;ve pretty much given up asking over here KDF side for fair treatment.. if it hasn't happened by now its never going to. Just too firmly rooted in the studio's corporate brain that were a minority of the player base... they truely see us just as KDF players, not STO players. Of course they say differently. I just wave my hand at what is. Yes things have improved, yes there has been changes, but the over all pace of these improvements and changes have been excruciatingly slow. We have major bugs on the KDF side which have existed since launch 4 years ago still un-repaired. Not many with the ships, but issues with ships pets still exist at numerous levels, both in acquisition, and mechanics. a massive costume slot bug for avatars, with no clue on what triggers the bug. The bug also effects Klingon aligned Romulan avatars.
A good many KDF oriented players gave up long ago and left the game in disgust... I'm in a fleet with around 35 players not counting alts... no more then 4-7 of us log on anymore and only 3 of us regularly.. most of the rest haven't logged on in years now. Don't recall the last time I saw out fleet leader on. Maybe if cryptic had payed a bit more attention to the faction they might still be here.
I'm never going to entirely trust this studio ever again because of how they have treated this part of the game. There just doesn't exist a way for them to make up for it. To many years of disappointments. To many times where they said they were going to do X, and never did it. To many things still broken and not fixed. To much inequality in the treatment of the faction which has adversely effected over all game play. To many lies.
We got what we got. I gave up actually expecting anything out of em long ago.
And that why they haven't gotten any money out of me in over a year and a half. I don't even remember when the last time was I actually bought anything from the game with real world money. I got a life time member ship at launch, and I passed the 1000 day vet reward mark over a year back. And I still don't feel like I've gotten my moneys worth out of STO as a KDF player. Way short of it actually. Maybe someday they might actually get there.. But not with out a lot more development of the KDf play experience. At least we're getting a pretty amazing decent ship out of this 4th anniversary of the game. It'll actually be the best science abilities ship availible to the faction in a lot of ways. It's pretty much made made anything that has science abilities KDF side other then the big Vo'Qov carrier obsolete.. and thats only because the big "V" carries 2 pet bays. The big "V"'s have all the maneuverability of a brick falling into a black hole. Their only saving grace is science abilities and the number of pets they can support. And of the two, the pets are the more important. To many science abilities are dependent on a target being in the forward arc. Getting a target into the forward arc on the big carriers is a fairly difficult to impossible task if they notice you trying and they don't want to be there.
The ships only dangerous to the unaware in PvP any more, but it still works well as a PvE ship.
...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
- Anne Bredon
Not all Klingon ships are awesome, but most a faster and tougher than there FED counterparts ... About all I'd really like to see ship wise is maybe a medium spec'd BoP, with a few more Weap/Console slots ('coz I lurv the design of the BoP) and make the BoFF stations on most (all?) of the higher level ships (T4 and T5) Universal stations, that way you would have more options without having to actually design and create a whole new ship/ships.
I would just like to point out that the KDF has an additional science ship that you haven't mentioned. That being the Varanus Support Vessel. It's a little below what the Federation equivalents are, but it's definitely a science ship. Still a poor selection of science ships.
And yeah, the KDF is almost criminally undermined when it comes to Tier 5 ships. The most populated section is the battlecruiser line, plenty of ships to pick from there. The escort-level line is a little lacking, largely because there's only three Raptors to pick from (two of 'em, the Qin and Fleet Qin, have piloting issues). The biggest gap is the science ships, of course. Three science ships in the Tier 5 range. . .Varanus, Fleet Varanus, and Korath Temporal Science Vessel. The Vo'Quv is a second-hand science ship with its sci boff slots. Cryptic needs to stop giving the KDF battlecruisers (we have 12-13 of 'em in the Tier 5 range), and start giving us science ships or sci-heavy raptors/destroyers.
"The other science ships are Gorn." There are no Klingon-designed science vessels in the KDF except for the Korath (which is a lockbox ship) and the soon-to-be-released limited-time-only half-of-it's-Sphere-tech-anyway Science Destroyer.
Fleet Karamag? It's as close to a sci battlecruiser as you'll get. I know traditional "sci" ships have CMDR sci boff, but 3+2 sci boff possibility in battlecruiser form with 4/4 weapons and cruiser commands is nothing to sneeze at!
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=912691
Such an annoying bug...
- Scotty, to La Forge
Just checked the description of the Klingons in this game..."bad" and "not supposed to be equal" are nowhere to be found. Are you making stuff up again?
An actual Klingon science vessel would be cool. Maybe they will give us one one day.
Being the villian in a story usually means that as the villian you are more powerful and seemingly capable than the hero so the hero has a challenge to overcome and prove their hero moniker as valid. Those who easily trounce unchallenging bad guys are not ever remembered as heroes by history.
R.I.P
I sat here nearly naked in front of the pc and waited for some pictures..
Let's hope you took precautions...so you don't catch a cold.:P
Yeah.. a yellow raincoat
^ I feel about the same at the moment.
I have hope for the future for this faction in this game. And somewhat more hope with D'Angelo back as EP. I stopped believing what Daniel Stahl had to say years ago at this point.
Steven when he had the hot seat before showed a bit of class, and furthermore he delivered more then he promised, and was real clear on what didn't happen and why. Just over all showed a lot more respect for the fans and the players of the game. And was defiantly respectful of the KDF players base. Frakly more got done for the KDF in a lot of way under D'Angelo then at any other time. And those improvement for the KDF that kicked in after Stahl's return were put into motion under Steven, not Daniel.
Year 4...this sure has been a long, painful grind to get to this point as a KDF faction player.
We've seen way to many of our fellow KDF players abandon the faction, and STO since launch. Seen new comers to the faction come in that haven't had a clue as to whats gone on before. And we've tried to educate them, with the studio, and its partisans fighting us every step of the way, just so they might be vocal and on guard and aware, so the faction wouldn't get totally ignored again.
I think maybe we've done a good job. Especially now that the EP who Loki could have learned some tricks from is out of the hot seat, and we got someone with a proven track record in the hot seat. Steven D'Angelo may not be flashy, but he gets stuff done... and getting stuff done is exactly what KDF needs in STO...were still in a massave trailing position population wise thats not going to change significantly at the current rate, but numbers have improved. New.. not so pleased voices have announced their existance.
I'd so much rather just play the damd game instead of playing politics and stumping for my faction on these forums. But after 4 years, its gotten to be a habit. I never wanted to get in flame wars with other players, or any of the rest. It's definatly not what I consider "Fun".
More blood wine! And someone bring me some Cheese! and fresh Gagh, and Ro'TheG Blood pie. If I can't have the level content I want, I might as well eat something.
Alls not lost, you can still simulate klingon foreplay. Merely recite some arousing poetry then hit yourself with a blunt object. After a small amount of time (and a possible mild cncussion) you are ready for the hazzardous but beautiful act that is klingon love.
R.I.P
Ah, so I'm not a fan. Thanks.
And where is the part with the goat?
Ah yeah, I overlooked that. Or looked at it and assumed that referred to the lower-tier science ships.
It's 'implied' if you're a Federation-loving petaQ' who holds a TOS-era view of the KDF, because Klingons being villains stopped with TOS and the TOS movies.
And in-game, the KDF are only 'bad guys' if you play Federation and refuse to accept the fact that the Federation was and is WRONG when it comes to the Undine threat. The Federation refusing to help its ally deal with a threat (Gorn Hegemony being heavily infiltrated by Undine), indeed outright condemning the Klingons, is what started this war.
Fans of the IP know better than that.
For the Klingons to be "not the equals" of the Federation, the Federation never could deal with the Klingons once and for all despite many conflicts with them, and most especially from its really aggressive days in the TOS/TMP timeframe.
Federation superiority isn't as clear cut as your tinted glasses make it seem to be.
To provide another perspective is General Martok!
And I also agree, that in STO, the actual bad guys would be the UFP ... Their rather parochial attitude towards any species that doesn't join them and obey them wholeheartedly is quite disturbing ... The worst offenders, I think are the Vulcans! They claim to be "enlightened" but I find Vulcan's to be the worst of the lot, as they tend to dismiss everything that is against there beliefs unless they are presented with overwhelming evidence, there lack of emotion means they can't go on a "gut feeling" or do "what feels right" ... Humans, with all our flaws, would, I think, have been better off allied with the Klingons.
With the evidence that Janeway brought back from the Gamma Quadrant, and with other events and phenomenon occurring since then, I think most Humans would have listened to the Klingon plea and gone "Yep, I reckon you're right, and even if not, If you need or want our help, it's the right thing to do to give it, so let's go get the *****"
Anyway that's off topic ...
I think the Klingon faction is quite well supported from a physical asset and gameplay perspective ...
What's missing I think is the "Cosmetic" things ... Like Uniforms.
There is 1, read it 1, dodgy looking C-Store outfit option ... Want to wear armor over your jacket? Cryptic says: Well FU, you CANT! ... Want to wear a Sash to show that you are moving up in the ranks, but still be warrior and wear armor? Cryptic says: Well FU, you CANT ... Want to wear green like many of the ships you fly are coloured? Cryptic says: Well FU, you CANT! ...
The list goes on ... Anyway, @Cryptic ... We don't even need new ship models or armour models, just some different colours, and give us a couple of "refit" ships with maybe a couple of extra weapon slots, and some Universal BoFF stations, and we'll do the rest ...
And please, can you implement "Species" and "Gender" recognition somehow? That would be awesome thanks ...