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Any word yet on a Negh'var refit?
knuhteb5
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Not to sound ungrateful or anything about the Mogh, but I would like to have some sort of response from the devs on the status of the Negh'var refit/dreadnaught. Will this ship ever be revamped? Why has it taken so long to be revamped, etc?
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My guess is that the next non-anniversary ship is going to be a raider to help showcase the raider flanking change. I doubt a raider is going to sell as well as the Mogh did(raiders are a bit more niche) and the other factions are probably going to get some love after that.
As much as I'm with you about wanting the Regent treatment for the Neghvar.. I'm not holding my breath on getting a 'Super-Neghvar' anytime soon. The Mogh is our Mary Sue battlecruiser that performs almost every role our previous specialized battlecruisers were capable of.
(Also, Raptors still need, arguably moreso than any other KDF shipline, an endgame C-store ship on par with the MVAE/HEC.)
It's a shame but likely very true...
As it stands, because of the shared CD on powers and the lack of any real variance, having 3 Engies is pointless to say the least ...
In other news, it appears the Hirogen Lockbox will have a Mirror Universe Negh'var in it. The question that remains to be seen is whether it will be Science or Tactical focused.. my guess is the former.
Mirror Neg'var incoming, specs soon. Considering the Fed mirror ship only has a Fleet variant at T5 in the prime universe, and the Romulan mirror ship is usually C-Store, specs could be interesting this round.
Also, a long range heavy single cannon with a charge fire set option, IIRC, someone was talking about a Neg'var having something similar on an episode of DS9.
The biggest problem with the Negh'var is the BoFF Stations ... Give it either another LtCmdr or Cmdr Tac station and lose the worthless Ens Engi or make several of the stations Universal (Including the aforementioned totally pointless Ens Engi station) ... Maybe drop the crew by a couple of hundred, and then give it a slightly improved turn rate and Voila! Galaxy Killer!!!!
It can't be that hard.
The Federation has about every canon ship as a Zen store vice admiral variant, enabling the fleet module discount.
The Klingons don't, even though they have fewer classic/original ships to begin with.
Give both Negh'Var and Vor'Cha a two piece set module/weapon similar to the Romulan sets (plural!) and I'm sure they will sell.
Galaxy Killer? Really? That's like "Destroyer Of Crippled Children".
Exists. It's a "free" T5, which has no resemblance to its fleet version.
Nope, the Tor'Kaht is simply another skin for the Vor'cha.
It could even be bought in the C-Store as a cheap skin a while back until it was removed and move to the Fleet version. In that regard it is for example similar to the Comet skin for the Recon Science Vessel.
If I'm not mistaken, the long range cannon (we get a range increase and they choose a CANNON of all...) is a Lobi store item which works with the Hirogen sets, it's not something the Negh'Var will have. It's also tetryon.
The Negh'Var in DS9 had some shield/armour piercing ventral cannon batteries, however.
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No! It is not!!
I remember that too. It's not a skin anymore. They REMOVED the skin from the game. I missed it, sorely. I really wanted it for my Vor'cha retrofit at the time but didn't buy it fast enough. Then it was gone for a while. Then they added a NEW ship, with new specs, new stats, new boff layout and used that pre-existing skin (because they're lazy like that).
It is NOT a Vorcha. It has about as much in common with the Vor'cha as the Fleet Kamarag does -- a slight historic link but no actual similarities.
In what way is it not the same ship?
Does altering the boff layout suddenly make it a different ship?
So then is the Negh'var not the same as the Fleet Negh'var either because it has a different BOFF layout? After all the latter has an ensign universal. Or does it become a different ship at changing 2 BOFF slots? 3? 4? Where do you arbitrarily for yourself make that differentiation?
Next you're going to tell me the Fleet K't'inga is also a totally different ship since it has a different layout than the T3 version. Or is that suddenly not the same since you define it as something different because it's a Fleet version of a T3 and not a T5 ship?
And just because you use a large quantity of exclamation marks, the equivalent of shouting at others, doesn't make you right.
No, the Fleet K'Tinga is nothing at all like the T3 battlecruiser. What it is similar to is the NORMAL K'Tinga (T5 200,000 FC version).
You're simply making a false assumption that because the Tork has some cross-compatibility with external looks and combining parts of the Vorcha retrofit, that these are different versions of the same ship. They are not. Not in any way. You do know that there are some BoPs that share external looks with earlier versions but are in no way tied to them, right? That doesn't make them fleet versions of that previous ship.
The Vorcha retrofit has more in common with the Neghvar than it does with the Tork. You mention boff changes -- it is true that some fleet ships allow a minor customization over their non-fleet version (in fact almost all fleet ships, except the K'Tingas because Cryptic hates them), BUT (and big BUT here) only the minor boffs. Only the ENS level boffs. The difference between the Vorcha retrofit and the Tork is the LtCDR is totally changed and the ENS has been swapped to ENG, and the LT has been made universal. That, compared with the massively increased hull rating, different shield rating, and the ability to make it a tactical boff heavy ship catapult this from simply another ENG-heavy cruiser to arguably THE BEST kdf ship in the entire list.
Just because you like calling it a fleet vorcha doesn't make it so. I've been here a long time too. I know the Cryptic evolution of the ship designs in the C/Z-store. This ship is not a vorcha in any way, shape, form, or effect. The two have NOTHING in common. Anybody that claims otherwise hasn't played KDF battlecruisers nearly as much as they claim.
Then explain this:
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1220x762q90/41/0uow.jpg
It does not say skin it says class.
Oh, and what are ships like the B'rel retrofit other than a upgraded version of an older ship?
Have you looked up the word "retrofit" in the dictionary?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retrofit
"Retrofitting refers to the addition of new technology or features to older systems."
It's not a replica of some sort. It's a retrofitted version of an older ship.
So what (from an in-universe look) the KDF did was use both ship classes, Tork and Vor'cha, and retrofit them to a new standard that includes both ships.
From an out-of-universe look Cryptic assigned the BO layout for the Vor'cha to the Fleet K't'inga and gave the Vor'cha in its fleet for a new one. Not unlike what they did with the Fleet Advanced Escort: new BO layout. The only difference there is that no C-Store version exists in case of the Vor'cha.
If I'm reading this right your entire basis for this definition seems to be that the Fleet version is "better" because of the altered layout, which is obvious and fair to point out, and it's thus somehow beyond being called Vor'cha.
Furthermore, your theory that the Vor'cha Retrofit has more in common with the Negh'var is flawed for all the above reasons. The Negh'var has a good 1k more crew, which means the internal habitation facilities would be greatly different. It has more hp, and the Fleet version even more. The Negh'var has a lower turn rate and inertia, which implies it outmasses the Vor'cha. The ONLY point where the Negh'var and Vor'cha Retrofit are directly identical is in the bridge officer stations for the Fleet Negh'var if you make that universal ensign a tac.
The Torkhat is not a Vorcha. Simple as that. I won't bother looking back into this thread. There is no inteligent conversation to be had once it devolves to this level of knee-jerk defensive diatribe.
See? 'I'm right and you're wrong because I say so!'
Ens + Lt Tac
Lt Cmdr Sci
Cmdr + Lt Eng
That'll do me just fine.
It does, doesn't it?
And yeah, it's mostly got Kamarag layouts on Negh'var base stats - what's not to like? Well, maybe it turns a bit slowish, but it's much beefier than the event Kamarag and much cheaper than the fleet version. This could be a very interesting healer/sustained dps combo vessel or combine massive sturdiness with some additional tricks.
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Example: The Exploration Cruiser is the Galaxy Class. The 2409 refit skin is the same class but the Venture-type of said class. The Monarch skin is a variant of the original class, not a new class.
The Vor'Cha Battlecruiser is the class. The Tor'Kat is a type or variant of that class (the skins are interchangeable on each "class").
All those customization variants on Starfleet vessels don't even make sense since Starfleet is supposed to be using standardized ship construction (with the few odd "types" we saw on screen) but the MMO customization function demands such a thing.
On the Klingon side, however, it is much more plausible. There are no central production areas of vessels, each feudal house (if they own the resources) constructs their own variants of ships that more or less fit in a "metaclass" of starships.
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The problem with the Tor'Kat discussion is that is in a thread about the Negh'var :P