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Raider Flanking

jockey1979jockey1979 Member Posts: 1,005 Arc User
edited January 2014 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
I am really enjoying my Breen Raider from the winter event, thanks for a cool free ship.

However, when the blog for it came out, it mentioned that "all raiders" would be gaining the space flanking damage boost. Do we have any sort of timetable for when this will happen?

Actually, as well as a timetable for when it will happen, but also is there a list of what ships will be classed as "Raiders" for the purpose of flanking?

I gather all Klingon Birds of Prey are raiders, but what about the Romulan Bird of Prey? Also, as far as I am aware, the Federation have no ships classed as raiders, so will they get a new ship to fit the new system or will an old one be classed as a raider?
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  • scurry5scurry5 Member Posts: 1,554 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    No timetable so far.

    Only KDF Birds-of-Prey are raiders. T'Varo is a warbird, and no changes will be made to Fed ships.
  • onyxheart1onyxheart1 Member Posts: 347 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I would like to see some non-klingon raiders added to the lineup, maybe Naussican or Orion, maybe even a Ferasan raider

    after all, klingons aren't the only ones who participate in raids and use raider style craft
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  • jockey1979jockey1979 Member Posts: 1,005 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    scurry5 wrote: »
    No timetable so far.

    Only KDF Birds-of-Prey are raiders. T'Varo is a warbird, and no changes will be made to Fed ships.

    All Romulan ships are "Warbirds", does not stop it from being a slightly better B'rel - a raider. Hence why I asked.

    I personally think, the T'Varo and the Defiant, for the purpose of Flanking Damage, should be classed as Raiders, but that is just my opinion.

    I'd also like the system to be out sooner rather than later, as my B'rel is all ready equipped for the new system :)
  • theanothernametheanothername Member Posts: 1,512 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    While the T'Varo & the Aquarius would be the only non-KDF ships that would make sense to get this I'm pretty sure it will be BoPs only. IIRC a dev already stated that the Aquarius will not get this buff but they are aware that this ship sucks and will think about some other buff for it in the future.
  • onyxheart1onyxheart1 Member Posts: 347 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    jockey1979 wrote: »
    All Romulan ships are "Warbirds", does not stop it from being a slightly better B'rel - a raider. Hence why I asked.

    I personally think, the T'Varo and the Defiant, for the purpose of Flanking Damage, should be classed as Raiders, but that is just my opinion.

    I'd also like the system to be out sooner rather than later, as my B'rel is all ready equipped for the new system :)

    actually according to the devs, warbirds are seperate from the usual classes of ship, even if they share some of the same functions (like the T'Varo an escort/raider, or the D'Deridex a cruiser) they have their singularity powers which sets them apart

    they also didn't get the new cruiser powers...because they're warbirds
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    theanothername wrote: »
    While the T'Varo & the Aquarius would be the only non-KDF ships that would make sense to get this I'm pretty sure it will be BoPs only. IIRC a dev already stated that the Aquarius will not get this buff but they are aware that this ship sucks and will think about some other buff for it in the future.

    While the T'varo is really good the way it is now, the Aquarius is indeed a ship that needs something done to make it better.
    But I hope Cryptic finds a unique but equally interesting solution for this ship, IMHO it deserves its own unique characteristic.
  • jockey1979jockey1979 Member Posts: 1,005 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    onyxheart1 wrote: »
    actually according to the devs, warbirds are seperate from the usual classes of ship, even if they share some of the same functions (like the T'Varo an escort/raider, or the D'Deridex a cruiser) they have their singularity powers which sets them apart

    they also didn't get the new cruiser powers...because they're warbirds

    I will have to yield to that point, I had forgotten about the singularity powers.

    So, ok, Romulan ships are exempt from the new Flanking system.

    The Aquarius would seem to fit, give it a boost to the damage output plus a reason for being fast and maneuverable. I had forgotten that ship existed to be honest, so I think forget the Defiant as I mentioned above and put the Aquarius in its place ;)
  • theanothernametheanothername Member Posts: 1,512 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    jockey1979 wrote: »
    All Romulan ships are "Warbirds", does not stop it from being a slightly better B'rel - a raider. Hence why I asked.

    I personally think, the T'Varo and the Defiant, for the purpose of Flanking Damage, should be classed as Raiders, but that is just my opinion.

    I'd also like the system to be out sooner rather than later, as my B'rel is all ready equipped for the new system :)

    I tough the singularity joker was already used up to explain the warpcore difference. I seriously hope it would not become a running gag answer to everything... but its already close to it...

    Warpcore? - Singularity
    Auras? - Singularity
    Flanking? - Singularity
    Trophys in interior? - Singularity :P
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    theanothername wrote: »
    I tough the singularity joker was already used up to explain the warpcore difference. I seriously hope it would not become a running gag answer to everything... but its already close to it...

    Warpcore? - Singularity
    Auras? - Singularity
    Flanking? - Singularity
    Trophys in interior? - Singularity :P

    On a more serious note: looking the the KDF and Romulan Vet destroyers, which are identical aside from the power core, I'd say the singularity abilities are countered by the power deficit. On both of them the battlecloak is compensated by the reduced shields.
    The battlecloak on other Romulan ships is countered by...yeah.:rolleyes:
  • pwecangetlostpwecangetlost Member Posts: 538 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Personally prefer singularity core to trophies. Though some would argue the two are incomparable. :P

    I think it would be a good idea for the Aquarius to get the ability, may get a bit more use.
  • aloishammeraloishammer Member Posts: 3,294 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    jockey1979 wrote: »
    However, when the blog for it came out, it mentioned that "all raiders" would be gaining the space flanking damage boost. Do we have any sort of timetable for when this will happen?

    We sure do: "eventually."

    http://sto.perfectworld.com/blog/?p=1054921
    Our goal is to use the Plesh Brek's Flanking ability as a prototype to fine to tune it before eventually rolling it out to Klingon Raiders along with some other minor improvements to these ships. It should be noted that Klingon Raiders will receive a slightly weaker version Flanking bonus (+25% instead of the Plesh Brek's +33%).
  • theanothernametheanothername Member Posts: 1,512 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    misterde3 wrote: »
    On a more serious note: looking the the KDF and Romulan Vet destroyers, which are identical aside from the power core, I'd say the singularity abilities are countered by the power deficit. On both of them the battlecloak is compensated by the reduced shields.
    The battlecloak on other Romulan ships is countered by...yeah.:rolleyes:

    Mindfood for the other ships, yes. But not for this since Raiders all have battlecloak too.

    Just saying that the blunt clubbing questions regarding romulan ships with "singularity" and "they are all one class: warbirds" answers are not good enough answers for those tried these ships for some time. All warbirds or not, the T'Varo is nearly identical to the T5 Breel raider and a T5 D'Deridex is pretty much a cruiser and plays significantly different compared to a T'Varo.

    Bouth are hit with less bonus from their FTLs & less energy levels but get singularity instead. Fair deal. Now what about the stuff other raiders are supposed to get & cruisers already got?
  • defalusdefalus Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Romulan T'Varo can have flanking bonus when KDF get a decent raider that has 4 tac consoles and 5 Crit boosting boffs, a 3rd aft weapon and a warp core with a stat like Oload to further boost its crits.
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  • theanothernametheanothername Member Posts: 1,512 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    defalus wrote: »
    Romulan T'Varo can have flanking bonus when KDF get a decent raider that has 4 tac consoles and 5 Crit boosting boffs, a 3rd aft weapon and a warp core with a stat like Oload to further boost its crits.

    oO
    3 aft slots? Oh... yeah. In that case I agree; no flank for this one. Somehow I had 2 aft slots in mind.
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    theanothername wrote: »
    Mindfood for the other ships, yes. But not for this since Raiders all have battlecloak too.

    Just saying that the blunt clubbing questions regarding romulan ships with "singularity" and "they are all one class: warbirds" answers are not good enough answers for those tried these ships for some time. All warbirds or not, the T'Varo is nearly identical to the T5 Breel raider and a T5 D'Deridex is pretty much a cruiser and plays significantly different compared to a T'Varo.

    Bouth are hit with less bonus from their FTLs & less energy levels but get singularity instead. Fair deal. Now what about the stuff other raiders are supposed to get & cruisers already got?

    Being similar is a very broad term, especially since the typical characteristic of a raider seems to be 4/2 weapons. Thsi is the case for the Breen ship and the Klingon raiders as well.
    And the T'varo has 4/3 which makes it more akin to an escort or a raptor.
    In what way do you define the T'Varo as a "raider"...because it's the "Romulan Bird of Prey" and that means it must be raider even if the stats clearly don't reflect this?:confused:

    Okay let's have a look at the T'varo retro vs the Tac Escort retro (since it's similar in terms of turnrate):

    they have the same shield mod
    T'varo loses 10% hull (3k) for...
    1 point more rurnrate...
    an integrated battlecloak and...
    a universal LtC.

    Sorry but I don't see the downside to using this ship in its current state and thus any need for a bonus. Where do you see it?:confused:
  • scurry5scurry5 Member Posts: 1,554 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=13840751&postcount=96

    According to this dev post, a key component of raiders is also the 4/2 weapons layout, which the T'Varo does not have.
  • theanothernametheanothername Member Posts: 1,512 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Stop kicking, I'm at the floor already. I admited it already, I though it only had 2 weapon slots in the back *waves white flag* :o
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    theanothername wrote: »
    Stop kicking, I'm at the floor already. I admited it already, I though it only had 2 weapon slots in the back *waves white flag* :o

    Wha...oh, sorry.
    While I was typing my response I was called away so it was kina "in limbo" for a few minutes and I thus missed that part of the conversation where it had already come out why you thought the T'varo needed a buff.
    No offense meant. It was just...bad timing.:)
  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    theanothername wrote: »
    I tough the singularity joker was already used up to explain the warpcore difference. I seriously hope it would not become a running gag answer to everything... but its already close to it...

    Warpcore? - Singularity
    Auras? - Singularity
    Flanking? - Singularity
    Trophys in interior? - Singularity :P
    You also forget :
    +40power level ? -Singularity

    I really wish I could trade those gimmick power for everything I lost for it.
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  • redsnake721redsnake721 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    what about the Corvette? It's a fast nimble attack/raider type ship also. Or the JHAS? what criteria are we using to determine what a raider is?
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    redsnake721 wrote: »
    what about the Corvette? It's a fast nimble attack/raider type ship also. Or the JHAS? what criteria are we using to determine what a raider is?

    4/2 armament, that's the definition given by the DEVs but with the Aquarius exempt from that.

    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=13840751&postcount=96

    She's still to be considered an escort and getting her own solution as it seems.
  • dahminusdahminus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    redsnake721 wrote: »
    what about the Corvette? It's a fast nimble attack/raider type ship also. Or the JHAS? what criteria are we using to determine what a raider is?

    4 fore/2aft

    Lots of universals boff slots. Either all or all but one

    Amazing turn rate and Speed

    TRIBBLE hull and shield mod

    Almost unique to the kdf minus the Plesh brek raider

    Able to cloak sans the Plesh brek

    Must meet all the criteria above. The exception being the Plesh brek, but it still meets most of them
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  • jockey1979jockey1979 Member Posts: 1,005 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    scurry5 wrote: »
    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=13840751&postcount=96

    According to this dev post, a key component of raiders is also the 4/2 weapons layout, which the T'Varo does not have.
    misterde3 wrote: »
    4/2 armament, that's the definition given by the DEVs but with the Aquarius exempt from that.

    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=13840751&postcount=96

    She's still to be considered an escort and getting her own solution as it seems.

    Didn't see that thread you guys listed. Answers a lot of points :)
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