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leonardosto
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Hello ladies, I am back after a year (more or less) and I want to restart pvp now.
Only one problem, I don't remember almost nothing.
So I tried to make a build, I am asking you to check it out and help me,ahh and what is the best type of energy just now? AP, phaser, disruptor? Thanks.
http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=charaldpstest_0
Only one problem, I don't remember almost nothing.
So I tried to make a build, I am asking you to check it out and help me,ahh and what is the best type of energy just now? AP, phaser, disruptor? Thanks.
http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=charaldpstest_0
real join date: august 2010
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http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/?build=fixedforu1234_0
all i did was change your rep system and skill tree a bit. if you wonder why i did the skill spec and rep system just ask.
too be honest tho i would go omega 3 delta 1 rapid fire 2 and 2. you need 2 con doffs for that tho. they are 30mill each. epts epte with 3 doffs. and have an rsp.
Starship Energy Weapon Specialization on tact t5, not worth it at all. just do the math. waste of points.
active hull harden on dyson rep is better then the debuff. the debuff starts when your target is 50% or lower. while the resist is active 24/7.
the higher aux is good for healing as well as clearing ss and ams since sencors is speced at 6. i put eps at 3 points since changing system configs is fast as it is. and if you get hit by tykens and you have no he your system power will not try to adjust as fast to keep up with loss of power. so system loss of power will not hit you so hard. ive tested this many times. damp at 6 due to disable effects such as psw. just watch out tho. its a double edge sword at times. if the guy has a good tbr and it hurts you will not be pushed as fasr taking more damage. just watch your hp.
also get a fleet shield. borg engine and deflector. its free healing. dont need the mk12 version. but it is nice.
http://home.comcast.net/~amicus/Skill%20Point%20Effects.htm
check out that link as well. its very acc tho i think a few things are off. not by much tho. buy you will see my point about t5 tact skill.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvIi0-IiMAvHdFByQlNqM3VKRXV2c2FnSmZjcllJQWc#gid=0
this will help you as well
The build was good enough that I just assumed this thread must be a troll. If I was wrong, I apologize. If I was right, then it'll play itself out, I'm sure.
ahh ok sorry. yeah it was a decent build. better then most ive come across. figured the guy was ligit tho. since i seen things 9 out and well thats not a good thing to do.
Fleet
ACCx2 CritD
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wut?
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There we go, an example of a standard escort build adapted to the actual season.
If you have any questions feel free to throw me a tell ingame (@usshannibal) because it would require a pretty long post to explain you all the changes on this build and generally to pvp itself
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yeah buddy whatafail XD.
Thanks ladies, I really appreciate your help.
But what is the best type of weapon? AP? Phasers? Disruptor? ...
there is no leading weapon type in pvp, the optimal set of weapons depends on how u want to fly your escort and if there is an useful item set being able to boost the damage of a type of weapon even higher.
generally disruptors, tetryon, antiproton and phaser weapons are good choices atm regarding effectiveness of their procs and 2-piece item sets such as the nukara weapon set (boosting tetryon damage) and the elachi's weapon set from lobi store (boosting disruptor damage)
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also, props on your choice of the charal on your ship of choice for a stay in the fight escort. i have chosen this ship over the bug ship for a few reasons, which i will hopefully clarify for you in this post.
for the past month i get a pm every 2-3 matches asking how im doing what i am in this ship. no tooting of the horn here, as i've shared the build on another thread, yet i do get a lot of solace out of the fact that others notice what i am doing in pug matches especially. because i cannot be in regular premades within my fleet, i was seeking a build that performed well in both pug and premades in the charal...or any stay in the fight escort...and what i landed on is as follows:
points on the charal:
-fly it like any bug or patrol escort layout
-5 front weapons slots means a lot
-you are at a slight turn disadvantage vs the bug
my build:
fleet AP DHC x5...(accX2, DMGx2)
AP turret, voth AP 360 array
borg engines
borg def
voth warp core
fleet resA shields
engine battery, aux battery
fleet neutronium +turnX2, tachyokinetic, borg console
lobi elachi +crit console, plas leech
AP console form spire (+crtD) x4
tt1, apd1, crf2, apo3
tt1, bta2, crf2
epts1, rsp1
epte1
he1, tss2
doffs: dmg ctrl cooldown X2, attack pattern cooldown x2, warp core clear, all purple
notes on spec:
-follow advice already laid out for you
notes on your choices of boff powers:
-2 overloads is killing your crf, due to weapons power drain
-with the dmg ctrl doffs, 2 purple will get you to 90% efficiency on 2 different eptX, when your fleet gets to t3 spire, you can slot a third, and make that 100%
-the above gets you a much needed rsp, which is key to make use of your go down fighting in a stay in the fight escort
in summation:
this is a great platform. 5 DHC will pummel all but the hardened targets while using CRF. you will lose that.....omgbbq'dyerbehind overload....but i would rather leave that to the cloaking vapers....they do it much more efficiently. and speaking of vapers....yeah, go ahead and chase them out and then target aux when they think they will get away.
your game is....speed and grind DPS. you arent gonna bake anyone in 1 pass....rather...you wont bake a seasoned PVPr in 1 pass....the rest will be toast if they do not have a tac team or RSP ready.
reasons i find this ship better than the bug ship for a stay in the fight escort boil down to a few points:
-5 fore weapon slots, 4 tac consoles outclasses 4 fore weapon slots 5 tac consoles by a large margin
-being in a bug almost forces you to run that overload, killing your cannons damage when your weapons power drops
-there is only so much turn that is really needed. i top out at like 60 under omega...you are out turning everyone except a bug ship....and what you get back....is incredible fore weapons damage.
stay nimble.... dont blow off a crf too early. withholding that crf for 5 seconds could mean 5 more seconds of your guns on target. don't blow it into a tac team, or RSP.
evasive, engine battery... and go full aux for he and tss regularly,
go full engines, aux battery, evasive for tss and he regularly
like...
every 60 seconds regulary.
contact me @CaptainHorizon for more banter on this subject
and as always...
have fun kill bad guys
6 points is wasted in tact skill. also threat control? your skill points are messed up. maybe that link will help you out
http://home.comcast.net/~amicus/Skill%20Point%20Effects.htm
at 6 points in tact you get 1.7 crith and 21.2% critd add up your 6 points in that skill. yeah very stupid to have wasted thoes points.
3 points in threat 4.9% really hannible your spec is kinda bad. time for a respec mate.
I really hope this is a troll post, lol. Hannibal knows his pvp stuff.
If you look closely, he's put 3 in Threat and 6 in Hull Plating. That's an extra 15.6 resist, and every little bit helps.
Why is it stupid to have more crit?
There's nothing technically wrong with either one of your skill specs, just different choices regarding the importance of crit, resists, power, etc. So...no bashing of the hannibal, he's too cool :cool: lol
But yeah, if this was a troll post, I missed it. Eh, my b, not the first time :rolleyes:
no its not a troll post. and hannible knows his stuff its true. but take into account what your going to gain from thoes points that cost alot. when you look at the hull reist tool tip its not that many points for cost. i can only come up with a few things that thoes points will have a gain. and in that area its wasted on a tact. and if a tact is using his skill tree its more of a 1v1 build. so lets say your using this build hannbile came up with. to make the most out of it go into 1v1 with a2damp and the doff, ph, and he. but how well can that build do in a team game???? you will get owned. no rsp so well .......yeah not good. as a sci or even engy well that extra resist will make up for it via bo skills. im not in the habbit of giving a reject build to people. sorry. this is an mmo. we dont go around playing solo. and well the stf are so stupid that even the extra resist is not needed
as far as extra crit, how much does it cost for 6 points in t5? and to gain just 1.7 crith and 21.2 critd??????? lol really? hey its your points. but the math just does not justify it.
hey broken,
u are kidding me right ?
21% critd ~ 2 1/2 critD of the vulnerability exploiter tca consoles
1.7% crith ~ zero point console / crit trait of the vulnerability locator consoles
meanwhile, an investment of 3 points in threat and 6 points in hull plating are reallyx necessary on an escort staying in combat and having no cloak in arena otherwise u get melted by FAW, alpha striker and other stuff since tacs especially rommy ones are capable of dealing awful spike damage. If u dont have proper base resistance on your ship then u are going to commit suicide dude since all buffs boosting ur resistance will be nuked off anyway in arena pvp, consequently u will perish quite easily, almost as easy as in our last 1v1 do u remeber? I also wondered why i could shoot u down so easily below 40% hull without having alpha buffed only AP omega, now i know the reason why.
cheers
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1.7% crith and 21.2% critD for 6 points at 3k a point. not worth it since that is actually very very low and will not make a difference. not in a vanilla toon or a rom toon. your rom toon will be boosted by rom bo toons. the vanilla fed/kdf toon will always be playing catch up. you have pugs parser. i suggest you do the proper test. take off your gear, take off rep passives, take off tact boosting consoles. now put the t5 tact to 0. shoot for 5 min at a target not moving. dont buff at all. 5 min. stop save log data. shoot for 5 min stop. rinse repeat. do this for about an hour. then do the same thing for 6 points in it. compare parser data. you will notice it does not scale very well. feel free to check my log data. you do know in FES we hold nothing back. and you just dont see FES on anymore due to how the game is going. but you know pug was a numbers guy.
as far as that exra resist you get from threat is TRIBBLE as well. i used to do 3 points till i looked at hull resist on pugs plug in. it sounds great and all. just not worth it. and now its worth even less since you can use 3 neut with built in turn.
Just wanted to put it out there, now carry on
LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
off topic but are you done with sto?
Don't get me wrong, I really love the PVP in this game... but yeah I guess you can say that. Due to some work-related changes I do not have the time any longer to play a grind-heavy game in a serious way. In order to keep in touch with all the friends that I gained in STO you'll find me on Inner Circle and Turkish RP Teamspeak on the weekends for 2-3 hours.
Just yesterday I pugged 2 rounds with Optima and played a round with the TRH guys, my first PVP for months, and I really enjoyed it. Afterwards I caught myself forging plans how to exploit the gaping loopholes of the current meta, even did an 1-hour testing to clarify a miniscule game mechanic haha but drew the line at filling out tha excel sheet.
Add me on steam or drop in on ts at the weekends. cya you and pug soon.
And let me repeat the following truth: I've pwnd y'all. :P You all know it, never forget. Let there be pew.
hahaha yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! even knowing the math and system mechanics in this game will not save you lol. we had some great matches i must say. did you see the rep torp yet? we found out how to break it. im sure people all ready noticed this. also check the torp cd doff along with it.
i do miss the old days of going against inner circle with your 3x recluse set up and 2x claoked defiants. it was win loss for both of us. sadly this game turned to TRIBBLE. you see see what real flying is like in ps2. its also f2p. i do pve in this game time to time. but the pvp.....it makes me really miss s4
all right, thats why the sto forum cannot be taken seriously because of such senseless and bull**** comments and arguments from some guys here including u broken.
But let's put the record straight since u stretched the truth alot from what i have seen so far:
I can confirm that we had a 1v1 match where u were able to kill me multiple times but there is only one reason why u were capable of doing that: I was experimenting with my energie levels since i had an elite warpcore with the AMP trait and i had the idea to set the energie levels in an essembly so that all my energie levels remain above 75 with the use of plasmonic leech in order to profit from the complete damage bonus of the AMP trait.
example: Weapon/Shields/Engine/Aux ---> 100/35/30/35
Normally i am running the energie levels at 100/15/70/15
Surprisingly this change had a deep impact not only on my turn rate and impulse speed but also on my defence values which dropped to approx. 70% defence immediately during our fight. This is comparable to the defence value of a recluse carrier. As a result my escort became very vulnerable to your incoming damage especially crit damage and so i took lots of more damage than I did before. I realized this problem too late and so u took the opportunity and killed me 3 times or so until i reset the subsystems to the default parameters. with my previous settings u were no longer capable of killing me again. It was a close victory but only close due to the fact that i wanted to try out something new but if i get killed in a match it is not because of the skilltree but also because of wrong settings, committing small faults in your cordination and unlucky experiments. Some new stuff goes well and some goes bad thats it!
But to be honest Broken, I find it really really pathetic that u only highlight this single match between us both instead of telling us all the events isnt it? That was not our first match, we had several matches in which i could CLEARLY -and i emphasize the word CLEARLY- sweep u out of the arena, it doesnt matter if i used the dhelan or the bugship the run of those matches were similar all the time. partly i was able to pop ur ship without the use of alpha at all and i also didnt forget ur reactions after those matches. Once you demanded that i should take of my plasmonic leech console because "i was draining ur energie subsystems too hard" according to you. if we regard these events we will come back to the good old topic "a good skilltree for an escort" and i am pretty sure that u had no skills in power insulators at all^^ otherwise u wouldnt have complained about this.
So i am asking u the question now: How can YOU critizise my skill trees being specialized for escorts though you never was capable of defeating me at all, neither u in 1v1 nor matches against ur complete fleet FES? This sounds strange and it does make no sense that the victor of multiple matches gets critizised for his skill trees being even declared as "bad" reportedly. I really would be interested in answering this little question.
Furthermore u didnt mention our 1v1 after this close match between us two without any experiments and i also havent forgotten ur behaviour after the fight. Before the match ended you ragequitted arena with the reason that i would use EPTE which u considered as "broken mechanics" and according to your comments "the use of epte was the only reason why i have won and that u wanted to quit sto because pvp is not fair anymore." this is a pitiful behaviour as an experienced pvper which sounded funny perhaps but not for me and i went straight away on your ts-server and wanted to find out why u were behaving this way. I can assure u that i have ever been a fair pvp player both in 1v1 and in arena pvp, I have never used hax or cheese or any bugs intentionally in order to get a benefit as opposed to other players and i will never do it.
If u really meant this statement seriously i can only feel sorry for you man because epte is definetely not broken hax or something, it is working as intended since all the other eptx abilities have been adapted in the same way like epte by extending the duration of the current subsystem boosts. i can numerate you some broken mechanics so that u understand the meaning of this word and not just using it as an excuse for your defeats:
- aux2batt on d'kora with emp burst.
- no energy drain while using FAW (fixed in the meantime)
- tetryon plasma from the yellowstone runabouts ( no debuff symbol available when u are
stuck in the plasma + no proper possibility to reactivate ur disabled engines while being caught in the cloud +
getting unregularly losses of targeted opponents in arena)
- use of rsp 3 with the rsp doff on any aux2batt cruiser
- intended use of lord voldemort and double shielding bugs
- use of romulan doffs in season 6 reducing cd on APA accidentally
etc.
At that point i had this feeling that u even dont understand how the game mechanics work and this is really sad not for you but for other guys who want to learn pvp, they get false information and as a result you make it even more difficult for them to learn pvp and to expand their knowledge in this area. Guess what? No offence but you strongly remind me on trinity who recommended his students in pvp bootcamp to use shieldemitter consoles on their escorts which is the biggest garbage what i have ever heard. I was about to roll with my head on my keyboard after it was told to me. that wasnt funny any more this can be considered as trolling namely trolling his students done by a PVP Bootcamp TEACHER which is quite pitiful.
You even dont know why i have set up the skill tree like this since u havent been that active atm, do you ?
Have u ever met a faw scimitar team from dps channel ? or the current alpha strike mogais/hafehs/T'varos/Arkif/daeinos warbirds ? have u considered the new fleet tac consoles and the effect of their crit values/new warpcores/doffs/the new weapon type called "proton" in your calculations for your skill tree?
I hope you can see some of the points, among many more, to which I am referring.
PS: That was the last time i helped a guy creating an optimal skill tree and escort build for himself in the forum. you can give thanks to Broken from FES. He has made it sure. I dont care anymore. I havent written any troll posts at all, each of them were meant seriously and supportive but Broken is the best and smartest guy here regarding pvp escorts obviously. He didnt know that it took day and night over several months to make such a viable skill tree adapted to the current season.
All the better perhaps they will notice it in arena when they wonder why they get hit soo hard and die soo fast as it is stated in other threads where guys request for assistance and want to know why they pop soo often without being able to particpate in combat properly
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It doesn't matter at all who beat whom in PVP and in what way. The forums don't matter.
At the end, what really counts are friendships. Cultivating friendships, one owns conduct towards others, that is what matters. And not some Crit values.
As a friend, I am telling you that your response was uncalled for. Be wary of false friends who - regardless of circumstance - pat you on the back all the time.
Try to act as a role model for friends and foes alike, don't engage into negativity towards other fellow PVP travellers, be it on the forums or in game chat, help your friends to overcome their boundaries but step in if you notice negativity. Try to avoid people who define themselves by the misery they cause to others. Do not get influenced by them.
Some people understand. Some don't. Please try to understand.
Generally speaking, I gotta say the lack of understanding displayed by some, made it easier for me to leave STO behind.
Hmm in your best days you never say that, everthing must be 100% if you remember.. and yes it is just a game, thats right.
If you want, come our TS and we can talk a little bit.. in the past we have some great matches and a lot of fun together Hank.. i think some People miss you, so i do.
If you are ready for this, let me now.
greetings
David
David
*** Aktiv since 03.06.10 ***
Hello my friend how are you doing? I miss you guys too.
Kinda saw it as my duty trying to motivate our folks to tap into their full potential, and I remember the moaning and eyes rolling hehe, but look how far we got in such a short amount of time
Do you remember Andre? He left the game about a year ago. He is back into his old job and found his soulmate to which I had the honour to be introduced to. He thanked for the company and for the fun we all had together. For me, this is whats meaningful, wouldn't you agree?
Why am I mentioning it?
At the end, having fun and making friends is more important and meaningful than anything else. And I believe it shouldn't be just "us" to have fun, everybody - no matter the fleet tag - should have a fair chance to enjoy this game and to have fun. IMO it's just unnecessary to argue with others on the forum who have different opinion on meaningless game mechanics. It certainly shouldn't be done at the cost of friendships.
Cya soon
No, no. I pwn you!
I agree with you,.. and yes i remember Andre. Cool old times.. that was fun.
If you have some time, come our TS.. lets talk.
I miss the old times.. .
greetings
David
PS.
Do you remember this one.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09c6CbJJ6dk Best match i ever had,.. i love it, i look it 2-3 times in a week.
PPS. Sorry for off Topic
David
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