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Any Thoughts on My Fleet Avenger Build?

bicryionbicryion Member Posts: 6 Arc User
edited January 2014 in Federation Discussion
I recently acquired the 4 Fleet Modules needed to purchase the Fleet Avenger and I was wondering if my planned build would help me stay alive (Looking at that "lovely" respawn button is tiring) , and at the same time, deal lots of damage :3

Some things you may need to know:

-This Build will be mainly used for PVE (And for Surviving [And Exploding :D] Klingons who think they can pull a fast one in Ker'rat -.- [Because your "Friendly Neighborhood Rommie" isn't there sometimes :C ] )

-I don't Doff a lot, So Doff recommendations are welcomed :)

-The Antiproton Mags occupying the Tactical Slots are standing in for the Vulnerability Exploit Consoles that as of now, are not included in the Skill Planner

-The Obelisk Core is there to take advantage of the +10% AP Damage Boost

-Device Layouts are also welcomed (Not Including the Red Matter Capacitor)

-Due to the Avenger's turn rate, I believe I will be sticking to beams, In line with this, please refrain from suggesting builds that include cannons ^_^ (But if you really think that a DHC/Cannon build would be much better, Please do not hesitate to include it in your response)

-I'm an Eng Officer :D

Now, Without Further ado, My Build:

http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/?build=ussworkinprogress_5728

Thank you for your time and have a good day :)
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  • dahminusdahminus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Your build is pretty carbon copy as ymto the avenger builds I put on the forums. Not saying their copies but am saying they are nearly the same
    Your doffs would be 3 technicians, marion, rsp doff, 1 of your choice

    Here is a non aux2bat build if you were curious...
    http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=nonauxavenger_0
    Marion, quatermaster battery doff, 3 maintenance doffs, 1 of your choice
    The nukara console is one to pick up
    Chive on and prosper, eh?

    My PvE/PvP hybrid skill tree
  • bicryionbicryion Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    dahminus wrote: »
    Your build is pretty carbon copy as ymto the avenger builds I put on the forums. Not saying their copies but am saying they are nearly the same.

    I did base this off of many of your posts, So I wouldn't be surprised if they were similar :D
    dahminus wrote: »
    Your doffs would be 3 technicians, marion, rsp doff, 1 of your choice
    RSP?

    dahminus wrote: »
    Here is a non aux2bat build if you were curious...
    http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=nonauxavenger_0
    Marion, quatermaster battery doff, 3 maintenance doffs, 1 of your choice
    The nukara console is one to pick up

    Would the Non Aux2Bat build be more capable at enhancing DPS than my current Aux2Bat build? (Forgive me, I'm pretty new at this :D)

    The Nukara Console boosts exotic damage, would that help on my current build? (I don't believe I have any skills/weapons capable of producing exotic damage)

    I've never seen that build, But It's almost exactly like mine O_O (By any chance, did you use my build as a template? Because the skills/ground layout are the same, It also had my former beam configuration before I decided to move the KCB to the front xD)
  • nobletnoblet Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    -Why cutting beam up front? Put it in the back. What a waste. :P
    -Use plasma infused embassy science console. That extra plasma burn proc stacks nicely on beam spam.
    -Use spire crit chance tac consoles. They've gotta fix that faw eventually...;)
    -Why Resilient shield? Covariant is better. The bleedthrough fix itself anyway.
    -A shield heal for the science boff will be more useful more often than polarize hull in pve. You're somewhat short on shield heal otherwise.
    -Directed energy modulation isn't as useful in pve. Your teammates will be pounding that shield anyway, there's little difference in the end.
    -Double up on faw. Keep up the beam spam.

    For the nukara console, I'm guessing it's for accuracy. Shouldn't be a big issue in pve anyway. It would be a bad idea to fly that guy's fit solo, or pve in general.
  • bicryionbicryion Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    noblet wrote: »
    -Why cutting beam up front? Put it in the back. What a waste. :P
    I wanted to reinforce my back :)
    noblet wrote: »
    -Use spire crit chance tac consoles. They've gotta fix that faw eventually...;)
    -Use plasma infused embassy science console. That extra plasma burn proc stacks nicely on beam spam.
    Will think about these xD
    noblet wrote: »
    -Why Resilient shield? Covariant is better. The bleedthrough fix itself anyway.
    I already have a regen buff from the 2 piece Borg Set, So all I need is Capacity, Hence the Resilient Shield ^_^
    noblet wrote: »
    -A shield heal for the science boff will be more useful more often than polarize hull in pve. You're somewhat short on shield heal otherwise.
    Gotta Run away from those Borg Cubes somehow xD
    noblet wrote: »
    -Directed energy modulation isn't as useful in pve. Your teammates will be pounding that shield anyway, there's little difference in the end.
    Incase of Useless Teammate Syndrome, It's very common now :O
    noblet wrote: »
    -Double up on faw. Keep up the beam spam.
    I don't want to aggro all the scary Borg, Will think more about this though :)
  • dahminusdahminus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Rsp=recwrse shield polarity. It's a fabrication doff that grants 8 seconds to rsp

    The nukara console is for the accuracy. It's actually really and highly recommended

    The nonaux build would do very comparable dps. Possible more due to not using doff slots for techs. The bigger perk is that you don't need to deal with aux2bat which some people have issues with
    Chive on and prosper, eh?

    My PvE/PvP hybrid skill tree
  • nobletnoblet Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Use embassy science console if you don't want aggro. Limiting your own effective dps is counterproductive, since you don't have to.

    Accuracy certainly never hurts, it's just not as useful as when in pvp. There's the benefit assessment of the nukara console vs an engineering console to consider.

    Covariant shield has higher cap than Resilient. People use resilient shield in pvp so they don't get pounded to death by bleedthrough. Not so much for pve.

    Your teammates will be pounding shield as you penetrate part of it. You pound it less, they'll have more to chew through. Shield will be gone before the rat goes down, so it hardly makes a difference who chews which part. You won't be bringing that cube down alone anyway.

    For polarize hull vs another shield heal, you're low on shield heal without it for solo (and pug counts as solo). If someone else extends their shield for you, that's another matter of course. But polarize hull won't save you when that cube puts the plasma on you bare hull. Try to keep shield up. Polarize hull is a life saver in pvp when that tac puts the hurt on one shield facing at point blank, not so much in pve.

    It looks like you're taking a lot of cues from pvp instead of pve. They're quite different.
  • bicryionbicryion Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    dahminus wrote: »
    Rsp=recwrse shield polarity. It's a fabrication doff that grants 8 seconds to rsp
    Thanks For that xD
    dahminus wrote: »
    The nukara console is for the accuracy. It's actually really and highly recommended
    Oh, I see. Would it be better to move it to a Sci slot instead of one of the Eng slots? I don't want to sacrifice my Turnrate :3
    dahminus wrote: »
    The nonaux build would do very comparable dps. Possible more due to not using doff slots for techs. The bigger perk is that you don't need to deal with aux2bat which some people have issues with
    What kind of issues?
    noblet wrote: »
    It looks like you're taking a lot of cues from pvp instead of pve. They're quite different.
    I must've looked at too many Pvp builds xD, Anyway, I'm also going to use this for surviving Ker'rat, so I might be able to retain this build :)
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  • baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    solid build, after all it is the A2B cookiecutter.

    the cutting beam in front makes little sense though. Either you fly towards your target or you turn your broadside on it...in no scenario you are flying away from your target, ever.
    and if you do, why use the ONE cruiser that has ONLY 3 rear weapons?
    -A shield heal for the science boff will be more useful more often than polarize hull in pve. You're somewhat short on shield heal otherwise.
    i would normaly agree with that statement, but since the captain is an engi captain with an build in shieldheal and other survival tricks, the PH offers more advantages with A2B.
    Even with minimum aux power it makes you immune to snare and offers moderate resistance rating (20 or so with only 5 aux power)
    another option for PVE would be a TBR...the low aux means that you aren't pushing anything very far, but deliver the full dmg...probably only really effective if you skilled particle generators though.
    Go pro or go home
  • mt268mt268 Member Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Boffs- not bad, consoles- average, not great, not terrible. Weapons-Bad. Bad. Bad. All beams drain so much weapon power you actually get more dps with torps...
  • bicryionbicryion Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    noblet wrote: »
    -Why cutting beam up front? Put it in the back. What a waste. :P
    baudl wrote: »
    the cutting beam in front makes little sense though. Either you fly towards your target or you turn your broadside on it...in no scenario you are flying away from your target, ever.
    and if you do, why use the ONE cruiser that has ONLY 3 rear weapons?

    Moved the KCB to the back xD
  • bicryionbicryion Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    mt268 wrote: »
    Boffs- not bad, consoles- average, not great, not terrible. Weapons-Bad. Bad. Bad. All beams drain so much weapon power you actually get more dps with torps...
    You can Offset the Beam drain with the consoles and Boff Powers, namely EPTWs/A2B/Plasmonic Leech
  • baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    mt268 wrote: »
    Boffs- not bad, consoles- average, not great, not terrible. Weapons-Bad. Bad. Bad. All beams drain so much weapon power you actually get more dps with torps...

    not even remotely true actually...DEM with marion negates this already. further there is the cruiser command, the captain powers and traits: nadion inversion and power boost, the power gain of a2b, EPtW (100% uptime with this build) plasmonic leech...
    at no point his powerlevel will drop under 90...i know, because i have a similar setup with a fleet assault cruiser.
    Go pro or go home
  • mt268mt268 Member Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    baudl wrote: »
    not even remotely true actually...DEM with marion negates this already. further there is the cruiser command, the captain powers and traits: nadion inversion and power boost, the power gain of a2b, EPtW (100% uptime with this build) plasmonic leech...
    at no point his powerlevel will drop under 90...i know, because i have a similar setup with a fleet assault cruiser.

    There you go. i learnt something. Cheers mate
  • grendelthewise#0990 grendelthewise Member Posts: 640 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    noblet wrote: »
    -Why cutting beam up front? Put it in the back. What a waste. :P
    -Use plasma infused embassy science console. That extra plasma burn proc stacks nicely on beam spam.
    -Use spire crit chance tac consoles. They've gotta fix that faw eventually...;)
    -Why Resilient shield? Covariant is better. The bleedthrough fix itself anyway.
    -A shield heal for the science boff will be more useful more often than polarize hull in pve. You're somewhat short on shield heal otherwise.
    -Directed energy modulation isn't as useful in pve. Your teammates will be pounding that shield anyway, there's little difference in the end.
    -Double up on faw. Keep up the beam spam.

    For the nukara console, I'm guessing it's for accuracy. Shouldn't be a big issue in pve anyway. It would be a bad idea to fly that guy's fit solo, or pve in general.

    This was nicely put, I would take this into consideration.
    Fleet Admiral of the U.S.S. ATTILA KHAN-CDA (NX-921911).
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