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    misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    shpoks wrote: »
    By this logic, we should be cool if Abrams' take on Star Wars in his new movies is that Jedi and Sith Lords use machineguns instead of lightsabers, have to wave a wand in order to use the powers of the force and wookies are furless, right? Right?

    Furless, you mean like the new and improved Caitians from "Into Darkness"?

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    flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    shpoks wrote: »
    Making the TOS to TNG comparison is rather lame simply because everything in TOS looked rather simplictic compared to TNG, VOY, DS9 or anything following due to being the series' premiere with very limited budget, in an era where the costume making and makeup are at an early stage in the movie industry.
    Granted.
    shpoks wrote: »
    Irrelevant. Some things are established and that's that.
    All that has been established is that Klingons have ridges, which they did.
    shpoks wrote: »
    Klingons have looked like this since the moment the show could afford money and expertise to change them from the generic humans with tan-spray TOS Klingons.
    I would extend their unique appearance. How many different variations of ridges have we seen throughout their time? What's wrong with a couple more?
    shpoks wrote: »
    This has nothing to do with changing times, special effects and makeup. This has to do with a single man's ego being bigger than the planet Jupiter.
    I think this has a lot to do with hardcore fans not able to accept change. I get it, and I don't condemn you for it. However the new Trek films are partially for a different audience, they're not the typical science fiction Trek films that the older ones are, the newer ones are more your action packed science fiction films, they're darker, they're more modern, and they're not afraid to throw in the odd joke. Sure, the old films had humour, but it was a completely different kind.
    shpoks wrote: »
    To have a new take on Roddenberry's universe is one thing. To want to elementary change it because of pathologic need to leave a personal mark is something completely different.
    It could have been changed a lot more. Save picking apart what's different, think about what's the same.

    I know we are never going to see eye to eye on this, but I think it's worth noting that these films have been successful. That alone should say something about them.
    misterde3 wrote: »
    Furless, you mean like the new and improved Caitians from "Into Darkness"?

    http://scifanatic.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/catgirls.jpg
    Unless I am mistaken (in which case, feel free to correct me) there has been no clarification that those were actually Caitians. People just assume such because they happen to have had tails.
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    misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    flash525 wrote: »
    Unless I am mistaken (in which case, feel free to correct me) there has been no clarification that those were actually Caitians. People just assume such because they happen to have had tails.

    http://www.startrek.com/article/exclusive-interview-damon-lindelof
    Can you confirm that the creatures we see with Kirk during his off-hours on Earth are Caitians?

    LINDELOF: You mean the women with the tails?

    Yes, this is the species that Lt. M'Ress was, from The Animated Series.

    LINDELOF: Yes, we can confirm this.

    You are mistaken.
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    angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,001 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    shpoks wrote: »
    Blingons?!?! :eek: NOOOOOOO!!! :mad:

    Denobulans. 'Nuff said.

    Holy Targ, I am laughing. And crying. I am literally laughing and crying at the same time.
    misterde3 wrote: »
    Furless, you mean like the new and improved Caitians from "Into Darkness"?

    http://scifanatic.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/catgirls.jpg

    Now I don't want to laugh anymore. I'll stick with crying.
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
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    shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    flash525 wrote: »
    I would extend their unique appearance. How many different variations of ridges have we seen throughout their time? What's wrong with a couple more?

    But we're not talking about variations of forehead ridges here. Even if I turn a blind eye to the fact that we've never seen a fully grown mature Klingon male without facial hair, we're talking about frickin' piercings on a Klingon forehead here.
    Anyone familiar with Star Trek will tell you that's just silly, hell, everyone with basic knowledge of humanoid anathomy could tell you just how unbelievably silly the idea of piercing through a skull is.
    flash525 wrote: »
    I think this has a lot to do with hardcore fans not able to accept change. I get it, and I don't condemn you for it. However the new Trek films are partially for a different audience, they're not the typical science fiction Trek films that the older ones are, the newer ones are more your action packed science fiction films, they're darker, they're more modern, and they're not afraid to throw in the odd joke. Sure, the old films had humour, but it was a completely different kind.

    You have missed my point. I don't mind the general take of the new movies being more action oriented and darker. Actually my biggest gripe with them was that they seem incredibly dumbed down. That has nothing to do with me being a hardocre fan. I also think that Pirates of the Caribbean IV is incredibly dumbed down in comparison to the previous trilogy.

    But that has nothing to do with what we're discussing here. Ambrams' team made a new setting for a new take on their movies, them being more of an action oriented and even threw them in a parallel universe in order to have some screenplay freedom. That's fine. What is not fine is messing with the elementary stuff in the franchise, like the species for example - erasing the Romulan ridges, attaching piercings to the Klingon ridges or turning the Vulcans into seemingly racists.

    With franchises like ST, you can have some creative freedom but you are expected to follow the premise of the franchise. Because, what stops him from making Starfleet ships look like X-Wing fighters if he feels like it then?
    flash525 wrote: »
    It could have been changed a lot more. Save picking apart what's different, think about what's the same.

    I'm not picking apart what is different and truth to be told, many things are similar but barely anything is quite the same.
    I'm just making a remark that it's a stupid idea to mess with the established look/habits/traditions in a popular franchise that exists for more than 50 years in a vanity attempt of leaving a vague personal mark.
    flash525 wrote: »
    I know we are never going to see eye to eye on this, but I think it's worth noting that these films have been successful. That alone should say something about them.

    It's not something we need to see eye to eye on, or not. I don't passionately hate the new movies like some people do. I found them entertaining on a certain level. I'm just pointing out that some stupid decisions were made and changing established species is one of them.

    They have been succesfull, yes. Also, the Twilight saga has made a killing on the boxoffice, just as an example. I think that speaks more about the audience these days than the movies themselves.
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    shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    misterde3 wrote: »

    Holy cat, Batman!! :eek:

    I don't have enough facepalms for this...quick, someone link me the Borg collective facepalm pic, I can't seem to find it!
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    misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    shpoks wrote: »
    Holy cat, Batman!! :eek:

    I don't have enough facepalms for this...quick, someone link me the Borg collective facepalm pic, I can't seem to find it!

    Here have something totally random instead...a pelican eating a pigeon:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNNl_uWmQXE
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    raphaeldisantoraphaeldisanto Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    shpoks wrote: »
    I'm just making a remark that it's a stupid idea to mess with the established look/habits/traditions in a popular franchise that exists for more than 50 years in a vanity attempt of leaving a vague personal mark.

    You know, I said the same thing about the new BSG, but everyone told me I was being stupid.

    I guess it really all comes down to how much you care.

    I don't care that JJ structured his klingons the way he did. I thought they looked cool and klingon-y. I enjoyed the movies, and I don't have any emotional investment in klingons -NOT- having head jewelry.

    But I'll never forgive Ronald Moore for turning Starbuck into Stardoe.
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    angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,001 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    shpoks wrote: »
    Holy cat, Batman!! :eek:

    I don't have enough facepalms for this...quick, someone link me the Borg collective facepalm pic, I can't seem to find it!

    How about ASCII - Picard?


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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
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    misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    You know, I said the same thing about the new BSG, but everyone told me I was being stupid.

    I guess it really all comes down to how much you care.

    I don't care that JJ structured his klingons the way he did. I thought they looked cool and klingon-y. I enjoyed the movies, and I don't have any emotional investment in klingons -NOT- having head jewelry.

    But I'll never forgive Ronald Moore for turning Starbuck into Stardoe.

    HMM, to be fair NU and OLD BSG were set in entirely different universes that are totally unconnected. So it's a total reboot.

    In this case the JJ and the Prime universe are seperate in the sense that their history is different from 2233 onwards. So it's more like choosing Windows ME instead of 2000 dufinr bootup.
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    flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    misterde3 wrote: »
    I stand corrected, not that I have any reason to argue the point. Still (to be pedantic) could those Caitian not have ... I don't know .. shaved? :P

    More to the point, in our former form we were a lot more hairy; we evolved and (for the most part) lost a lot of our body hair. From a biological and evolutionary stand point, wouldn't a feline species evolve like any other species? Perhalps Abrams has it right where Roddenberry had it wrong all these years. ;)
    shpoks wrote: »
    Even if I turn a blind eye to the fact that we've never seen a fully grown mature Klingon male without facial hair, we're talking about frickin' piercings on a Klingon forehead here.

    Anyone familiar with Star Trek will tell you that's just silly, hell, everyone with basic knowledge of humanoid anathomy could tell you just how unbelievably silly the idea of piercing through a skull is.
    The Human anatomy maybe, but the Klingon anatomy is different to ours, and they're no doubt more durable. Well, we know they are. Klingons are stronger than Humans period.
    shpoks wrote: »
    You have missed my point. I don't mind the general take of the new movies being more action oriented and darker. Actually my biggest gripe with them was that they seem incredibly dumbed down. That has nothing to do with me being a hardocre fan. I also think that Pirates of the Caribbean IV is incredibly dumbed down in comparison to the previous trilogy.
    I obviously enjoyed these new films a lot more than you. I don't think many people enjoyed the 4th incarnation of Pirates, the 1st film will always be the best.
    shpoks wrote: »
    With franchises like ST, you can have some creative freedom but you are expected to follow the premise of the franchise. Because, what stops him from making Starfleet ships look like X-Wing fighters if he feels like it then?
    In my opinion, the new films are within the boundaries set within Trek. I admit there are differences, but for the most part I am willing to overlook them.
    shpoks wrote: »
    I'm not picking apart what is different and truth to be told, many things are similar but barely anything is quite the same.
    If too much was the same, then this story wouldn't be worth telling. :)
    shpoks wrote: »
    They have been succesfull, yes. Also, the Twilight saga has made a killing on the boxoffice, just as an example. I think that speaks more about the audience these days than the movies themselves.
    You're no doubt quite right. It is about the audience. It would seem (for the most part) that the audience approved of what Abrams did. Honestly, if that Klingon took off his helmet in that film and looked TNG, I think it would have looked out of place.
    But I'll never forgive Ronald Moore for turning Starbuck into Stardoe.
    I'll take Katee Sackhoff any day of the week. ;)
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    misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    flash525 wrote: »
    I stand corrected, not that I have any reason to argue the point. Still (to be pedantic) could those Caitian not have ... I don't know .. shaved? :P

    More to the point, in our former form we were a lot more hairy; we evolved and (for the most part) lost a lot of our body hair. From a biological and evolutionary stand point, wouldn't a feline species evolve like any other species? Perhalps Abrams has it right where Roddenberry had it wrong all these years. ;)

    Not sure if you're trolling at this point. And I don't actually care either way.
    So I'll just assume that you think that if Abrams does something it is more right because it's Abrams.
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    flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    misterde3 wrote: »
    Not sure if you're trolling at this point. And I don't actually care either way.
    You cared enough to comment, apparently.
    misterde3 wrote: »
    So I'll just assume that you think that if Abrams does something it is more right because it's Abrams.
    You assume incorrectly. My question was a perfectly valid one. Could it not be argued that a feline species, once evolved to a state that it can communicate (via speech) with other sentient life forms and stand on its hind legs have long since lost use for body hair?
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    ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    misterde3 wrote: »
    Furless, you mean like the new and improved Caitians from "Into Darkness"?

    http://scifanatic.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/catgirls.jpg

    Those are evil. The only thing JJ got wrong.
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    shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    flash525 wrote: »
    More to the point, in our former form we were a lot more hairy; we evolved and (for the most part) lost a lot of our body hair. From a biological and evolutionary stand point, wouldn't a feline species evolve like any other species? Perhalps Abrams has it right where Roddenberry had it wrong all these years. ;)

    Yeah, JJ farts rainbows and strawberry bushes grow on the ground he walks on. :rolleyes:
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    rtk142rtk142 Member Posts: 613 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    shpoks wrote: »
    By this logic, we should be cool if Abrams' take on Star Wars in his new movies is that Jedi and Sith Lords use machineguns instead of lightsabers, have to wave a wand in order to use the powers of the force and wookies are furless, right? Right?

    This is a debate my buddy and I often have. I'm (expletive)ing angry about Lindeloff trying to claim the girls at the beginning of Into Darkness were Caitians, and keep pointing out that you can't be both a reboot and a continuation. If NimoySpock is meant to be NimoySpock from TOS, then everything should look the same. They're not being presented as a totally seperate multiverse, the movies are being presented as a Back to the Future II-esque divergent timeline. my buddy keeps trying to tell me to get over it and move on, but I keep pointing out he'd be angry if Chewie looked more like Barf from Spaceballs.

    And seriously, what was with the Enterprise being built on the planet and not in orbit?
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    aloishammeraloishammer Member Posts: 3,294 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    rtk142 wrote: »
    And seriously, what was with the Enterprise being built on the planet and not in orbit?

    Submarines have always been built planetside.

    Too bad JJ and his followers can't tell a sub from a starship. :P
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    rock3tmanrock3tman Member Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I hope they add those Salamanders, I so wish to have s*x with my Captain...;)
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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    flash525 wrote: »
    I stand corrected, not that I have any reason to argue the point. Still (to be pedantic) could those Caitian not have ... I don't know .. shaved? :P

    More to the point, in our former form we were a lot more hairy; we evolved and (for the most part) lost a lot of our body hair. From a biological and evolutionary stand point, wouldn't a feline species evolve like any other species? Perhalps Abrams has it right where Roddenberry had it wrong all these years. ;)
    My take is that it's a trick of the light and they do have fine fur. In the comics, Mystique and Nightcrawler do. You don't notice unless you touch them though, since it's very short.
    I obviously enjoyed these new films a lot more than you. I don't think many people enjoyed the 4th incarnation of Pirates, the 1st film will always be the best.
    I did. :( It had a different story, because they concluded most of the plot threads from the previous movies. This of course also meant a new cast... But I liked the new characters.
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    khiari3khiari3 Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Deltans!
    And Denobulans!
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    grandnaguszek1grandnaguszek1 Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    This thread has gotten so off topic but nevertheless very entertaining.
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    tragamitestragamites Member Posts: 424 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Whom ever they select as the next playable race I hope they can offer a pack instead of just the race.

    With that I hope it is open to any faction.

    So when you unlock the new race you unlock the Character Race and Traits, A Race Specific Shuttle and Ship and Special "starter pack" that contains:
    • 3 Unique DOffs
    • Like Race BOff w/space trait (1)
    • Race Specific Space Set
      • Rare Quality leveless
      • Energy Weapon System
      • Launcher Weapon System
      • Shield w/visual
      • Uni-Console
    • Race Specific Ground Set
      • Rare Quality Leveless
      • Armor w/visual
      • Personal Shield
      • Racial Weapon
      • Special non-consumed ground device

    Additionally it could also unlock Features and Traits to the Alien Customizations on the account.

    To me it just seems more fun that if I am going to play a race I want to be that race in all aspects of play.

    I made an Alien on the Romulan Faction and made him to be a Hirogen. If the made it a playable race I'd love for them to follow the outline here.

    Hirogen Warship
    Hirogen Ships use Dicyclic Singularity Cores
    • Tier: 1
    • Type: Special/
    • Science Vessel
    • Hull: 33,000
    • Standard Shields: 7,315 (Mk X)
    • Shield Modifier: 1.4
    • Weapons: 4 Fore, 2 Aft
    • Crew: 600
    • Bridge Officers: Cmdr Sci, LtCmd Tac, LtCmd Uni, Ens Sci, Ens Uni.
    • Device Slots: 2
    • Consoles: Tac: 4 Eng: 3 Sci: 4
    • Turn Rate: 11
    • Impulse Modifier: 0.18
    • Inertia rating: 50
    • Bonus Power: +10 auxiliary power
    • +5 engine power
    • Abilities:
      • Enhanced Subnucleonic Beam Emmiter
      • Sensor Analysis
      • Low Energy Signature
      • Plasma Shockwave
      • Singularity Jump
      • Singularity Overcharge

    Hirogen Shuttle Craft
    • Tier: 1
    • Type: Small Craft
    • Hull: 5,500 *
    • Standard Shields: 1,375 *
    • Shield Modifier: 0.5
    • Weapons: 2 fore
    • Crew: 10
    • Bridge Officers: Lt Uni
    • Device Slots: 1
    • Consoles: Tac: 2 Sci: 2
    • Turn Rate: 27
    • Impulse Modifier: 0.28
    • Bonus Power: +5 auxiliary power
    • Abilities:
      • Low Energy Signature
      • Tractor Beam

    Tetryon Quad Cannons
    2.5% chance to deal additional shield damage

    Photo-Chroniton Torpedo Launcher
    • 90' targeting arc
    • Mk XI = 2637.5 Kinetic Damage (334 DPS)
    • 33.3% chance: Significantly reduces Flight Speed and Turn Rate for 10 sec
    • 20% chance on Critical
    • After 6 sec, -20 Able Crewmen
    • After 6 sec, -35 Alive Crewmen
    • 10% Critical Chance
    • 9 Sec reload

    Monotanium Armor Plating Uni-Console
    +20% all energy resistance Buff for 10 sec
    Creates 2 sensor ghost ships for 10 sec

    Hirogen Body Armor
    • +0.37 Health Regeneration
    • +54.9 Physical Damage Resistance Rating
    • +54.9 Kinetic Damage Resistance Rating
    • +14.9 Radiation Damage Resistance Rating
    • +14.9 Toxic Damage Resistance Rating
    • +14.9 Fire Damage Resistance Rating
    • +14.9 Cold Resistance Rating
    • Gives a 5% chance to Heal +45.1 Hit Points when receiving damage for 5 minutes
    • +50.1 Maximum Hit Points
    • +81.6 All Energy Damage Resistance Rating
    • +7.4 Radiation Damage Resistance Rating
    • +7.4 Toxic Damage Resistance Rating
    • +5.8 Cold Resistance Rating
    • +5.8 Fire Damage Resistance Rating
    • +10 Knockback Resistance Rating
    • +6 Perception Bonus
    • Internal Life Support System
    • Activate Environmental Suit
    • Environmental Protection
    • Reaction Thrusters
    • Space jump to navigation point up to 45 meters away

    Hirogen Hunter Personal Shield
    • +21.1 Root Resistance
    • +21.1 Knockback Resistance
    • 308.7 Maximum Shield Capacity
    • Fully regenerates after not taking damage for 3 secs.
    • +5.6 Shield Regeneration
    • Reduces Tetryon Damage to Shields by 20%
    • Internal Life Support System
    • Revive Self with 33.3% HP (2 sec charge, 10 min CD)
    • Reduces Damage to Shields by 25% for 10 sec

    Hirogen Tetryon Heavy Pulsewave Rifle
    Rare Ground Weapon
    Bind On Pickup
    • Heavy Pulsewave Setting
    • Tetryon Damage
      • 64.8 Tetryon Damage (92.6 DPS)
      • 5% Chance: -__ All Shields
      • +2% Critical Chance
      • +20% Critical Severity
    • Arcwave Bolt Seting
      • Expose Attack
      • Targeted AoE Tetryon Damage and Knockback
      • 73.6 Tetryon Damage (10.1 DPS)
      • 66% Chance: Knocks back +8 meters
      • 5% Chance: -20 All Shields
      • +2% Critical Chance
      • +20% Critical Severity
    • Sensor Supported Shot
      • ? Does Not Require Line of Sight ?
      • Exploit Attack
      • Kinetic Damage
      • 96 Kinetic Damage (51 DPS) (20% Shield Penetration)
      • 25% chance +Damage and Knockback
      • 36 Kinetic Damage (20% Shield Penetration)
      • Knocks back +8 feet
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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    artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    edited January 2014
    shpoks wrote: »
    In my case it has nothing to do with liking or disliking the new Star Trek movies or wheather I like how these I call "Blingons" look or not. I just think it's stupid and disrespectfull towards the franchise to start elementary changing the look/behavior/habits of established species.

    Yeah like changing the Klingons between TOS and TNG ;).
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    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

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