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Concept: HaH'vat Class Medium BattleCruiser
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HaH'vat Class BattleCruiser
Minimum Rank: 50
Hull: 35,000
Turn: 12
Shield Mod: 1
Devices: 4
Weapons: 4F/4A
Console Slots: 3T/3S/3E
BOFF Stations: Commander Tactical, LtCmdr Engineer, LtCmdr Tactical, LT Science
Comes with [Weapon - Antimatter Field Projector]
Fleet HaH'vat BattleCruiser
Rank: 50
Hull: 38,500
Turn: 12
Shield Mod: 1.1
Devices: 4
Weapons: 4F/4A
Consoles: 4T/3S/3E
BOFFS: Commander Tactical, LtCmdr Engineer, LtCmdr Universal, LT Science
The HaH'vat BC is named after the K'Tinga BC that Captain Kang used to intercept the USS Excelsior as it attempted to enter Klingon Space to rescue Captain Kirk and Doctor McCoy.
The HaH'vat BC is a small, powerful Cruiser based on the K'Tanco BattleCruiser, blending power with maneuverability while sacrificing durability.
This ship comes with a [Weapon - Antimatter Field Projector]. This weapon projects a stream of antimatter at a target that results in a devastating explosion once contact is made with matter.
Minimum Rank: 50
Hull: 35,000
Turn: 12
Shield Mod: 1
Devices: 4
Weapons: 4F/4A
Console Slots: 3T/3S/3E
BOFF Stations: Commander Tactical, LtCmdr Engineer, LtCmdr Tactical, LT Science
Comes with [Weapon - Antimatter Field Projector]
Fleet HaH'vat BattleCruiser
Rank: 50
Hull: 38,500
Turn: 12
Shield Mod: 1.1
Devices: 4
Weapons: 4F/4A
Consoles: 4T/3S/3E
BOFFS: Commander Tactical, LtCmdr Engineer, LtCmdr Universal, LT Science
The HaH'vat BC is named after the K'Tinga BC that Captain Kang used to intercept the USS Excelsior as it attempted to enter Klingon Space to rescue Captain Kirk and Doctor McCoy.
The HaH'vat BC is a small, powerful Cruiser based on the K'Tanco BattleCruiser, blending power with maneuverability while sacrificing durability.
This ship comes with a [Weapon - Antimatter Field Projector]. This weapon projects a stream of antimatter at a target that results in a devastating explosion once contact is made with matter.
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What the person was referring to is that its basically same layout as an armitage. TBH though if such a battle cruiser were to come out You would basically be looking at that commander being eng and then keeping the LC tactical and making the 2nd LC a universal which is kinda what a lot of people were wanting to see the fleet negh'var being in the first place(It would be cool though if they had a couple variants of something like you were wanting kind of like a smaller version of the regents negh'var and/or a 25th century modified looking version of what you were specifying).
Nice idea but sad to say first and foremost before they build anything for the KDF it must first get fed approval. Although the mogh started an uproar that they want a stronger avenger now.
That's what makes it a Destroyer.
Battlecruisers have an Engineering Commander seat, (generally) moderate turn, a high number of Engineering consoles, and Cruiser Commands, and are essentially just Cruisers with some extra turn rate and firepower at the expense of some hull strength (and they give up Attract Fire, but it's not really a command that I run frequently anyway on my Regent).
Destroyers are essentially Escorts that trade in turn rate for resilience and versatility, generally with 11-14 turn, hull rating between an Escort and a Battlecruiser, a Tactical Commander seat, often an off-class Lieutenant Commander seat, and 4 Tactical Consoles.
Your ship would be closest to a Mogai, Peghqu', Jem'Hadar HEC, or Tal Shiar Adapted Destroyer in general gameplay.
Oh, we can suggest stuff...as long as its abstract enough.
What Cryptic can't use is, as you explained, material from other games and of course complete designs like 3d models.
But an idea for a ship in general is okay.
Wrong. Battlecruisers have some of THE heaviest hull ratings in the entire game. Bortasqu is a battlecruiser. Negh'var is a battlecruiser. Has nothing to do with sacrificing hull points for turn AT ALL.
And THAT is why the Fleet K'Tingas are such a slap in the face with their diminutive hull ratings.
Make it 4 fore, 3 aft weapons, and I would be on board with it as an escort.
Negh'var: 39k, Galaxy-Retro: 40k
Regent, Excelsior-Retro: 39k, Mogh, Avenger: 37.5k
Sovereign: 39k, Vor'cha-Retro: 36k
Ambassador-Retro: 39.5k, Kamarag-Retro: 35k
Heavy Cruiser-Retro: 36k, K't'inga-Retro: 31.5k
EVERY Battlecruiser that is nimbler than its closest counterpart Cruiser has reduced hull strength (the +turn/-hull equation isn't perfect, though, given that the Negh'var and Excelsior get more turn than the Sovereign but have the same hull strength). The only one that has higher hull than its counterpart is the Bortasqu' (43.5k compared to the Odyssey's 42k), and it has even worse turn and a lower shield modifier. Lock Box ships generally sacrifice a little extra hull compared to their closest non-lockbox Fleet counterparts, but generally also get that back in shield modifier.
Fleet Tork: 39.6k
Fleet K'mag (you listed the anniversary ship, not available): 38.5K
Negh 39K
Bortasqu 43.5K
Fleet Negh 42.9K
Fleet Mogh 41.2K
2 points: you can't count the K'Tingas because they are seriously the redheaded stepchilds of the battlecruiser line, and NOT worthy of their fleet title nor their excessive prices. They seriously need to be upgraded by cryptic. They don't even have ANY universal boff slots, and are FLEET battlecruisers. They have the hull rating of escorts. It's terrible.
Second, the only reason they gave the avenger/mogh less than 40K hull is (IMO) that they started with the fleet and simply pulled back the stats a little for the non-fleet variant.
Almost all of the battlecruisers are at or past the magical 40k hull rating, and so are on par with the fed cruisers. Yes, granted they have a slightly higher hull rating, but you can't deny that battlecruisers are THE mainstay KDF tanks. They are THE heavy hitters. We're not talking escorts here.
The Negh'var has the same Boff layout as the Galaxy-Retro, but has a 3rd Tac console instead of a 3rd Sci console, and the Fleet versions are available at Tier 4 shipyards and add 5th Eng consoles.
The Assault Cruiser and Vor'cha Retrofit are both free T5 cruisers that have the same Boff and console layouts, and have their Boff layouts changed in the Fleet versions (along with adding 4th Tac consoles).
The Regent has almost the same Boff layout as the Avenger/Mogh, and the Fleet versions have the same console layout.
The Kamarag has more turn and worse hull than the Ambassador... and those are the only functional differences that I'm aware of.
The Cheyenne is a relatively lightweight cruiser (compared to basically every other Fleet-grade Cruiser) that isn't worth the Fleet Modules when compared to the free Assault Cruiser (+1 base turn, +600 hull, +10% shields, +1 Sci console)... as is the K't'inga, which while being anemic, still claims the highest turn rate of any Cruiser-type ship, but little else to set it apart from the Vor'cha Retrofit (+1 turn, -1550 hull, +10% shields, +1 Sci console, +5 Inertia).
The Odyssey to the Bortasqu', however, is a much more pronounced difference console-wise... the Odyssey is more balanced (though given more to Sci than Tac), while the Bortasqu' is heavily focused on Eng and Tac consoles, with only one Sci console outside of the Command variant. They're the only pair out of these where the shield modifier differs and where the KDF Battlecruiser has even lower turn rate. Nevertheless, it's comparable to the Cheyenne and its similarly low hull (for a Fed cruiser). They have the same Boff arrangement, the same console arrangement, the same placement on the Shipyard progression, and are both Retrofits of the respective freebie T3 Cruisers. I never said that Battlecruisers have low hull. I said they have reduced hull compared to not-battle Cruisers. With the exception of the (Fleet) K't'inga Retrofit, they're all still in the higher tiers of hull strength.