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Dyson Space - Nobody playing
azurianstar
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As I predicted at Season 8's launch - nobody is bothering with the Space Adventure zone.
I been trying to get the Four Tower Accolades, and nobody is bothering, everyone was either parked outside the Ground Battlezone or flying to it. Very disappointing. It really reflects that the qualilty of STO's content is only good while it's fresh, but if you want to play it a month later and it requires others to play it, you might as well forget it.
Given the recent announcement of another expansion, I really, really hope they put more thought into content.
I been trying to get the Four Tower Accolades, and nobody is bothering, everyone was either parked outside the Ground Battlezone or flying to it. Very disappointing. It really reflects that the qualilty of STO's content is only good while it's fresh, but if you want to play it a month later and it requires others to play it, you might as well forget it.
Given the recent announcement of another expansion, I really, really hope they put more thought into content.
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News flash, they respawn before you finish off a group.
It's content that was intended for players to work together, but guess what, nobody is working together because they don't play the content! So what's the purpose of territorial control if there is no purpose? What is the point if nobody plays it?
If I was an investor, I would be thinking twice. If nobody is playing the content in the long run, then that is wasted money. And we are literally talking millions of dollars of wasted money.
Oh, There is a accolade channel you can join and ask for assistance to get the accolades. I have used it in the past and have gotten tons of help.
I purposely solo'd it, because otherwise someone else might kill something before I tagged it, and I'd miss the 100% daily completion, forcing me to fly to another tower, slowing down my routine.
Takeaway message: soloing the towers is totally doable. You don't even need some monster build, or be an ace pilot. I don't have the first, and I am not the second.
So essentially I think the problem is that the rewards for the contested zone (and the found missions in my opinion) are sufficiently poor compared with other content that it puts people off playing it. Personally I think the only way to get more people to use the space adventure zones is to increase the rewards for doing so to be competitive with other content for the time input required and with enough reward capacity to make it worth spending some time there (the daily wrapper is all well and good, but means once you done one mission from a mission given there's no really benefit in hanging around and doing more). The difference with the ground zone each point gives a small reward and makes it worth fighting it out until the bosses to spawn for the end reward (which is a nice reward relative to what the space content gives) which I think is why ground is quite well populated and space is pretty dead.
Maybe given that the towers and the citadels require a group of ships to take over the zone a small fleet mark reward in addition to dyson marks would encourage more people to use the contested zone? Just a thought.
I guess its okay to have a three step map basically where the allied zone is just for small flying around stuff with the occasional enemy to fight, then the contested zone with specific and larger enemy groups and then finally the voth zone with tons and tons of large groups.
That way everybody can find its own comfort lvl in the sphere, its just most ppl seem to be aiming for the yet unreleased voth zone.
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Cryptic has created Rep's that require 2000-3000 marks or more to unlock or obtain all the gear within that particular Rep. So when a player decides that they want that set, being space or ground or both they are going to seek out the missions that give the most marks for the least amount of time.
I cant believe no one at cryptic sees that, Hummm this mission takes 40 min and only rewards 25-35 marks. But this mission takes 10 min and rewards 50-60 marks. I wonder if people are still going to play the longer mission? I can't believe they dont see it. That they are blind to how they are funneling players into particular missions that arew really not that fun. Example Starbase fleet defence mission. Takes about 30+ min to complets and if you have a good team and do well it rewards about 100 marks. In that same 30 min you can run Fleet alert 4 times by bailing before the last wave and earn 160 marks. So a fun challenging mission with lots of space pew-pew and places for Tac, Eng, and Sci captians to shine gets ignored due to the rewards being not worth the time.
I could go on about the Romulan rep and how tagging Epohs is the best way to grind out all of the marks or how CE is the fastest way to get through the Nukara Rep. Cryptic need to look at all of the content and make all of it valueable. Make every missions reward equal to the amount of time it takes to complete and that missions cooldown.
I understand that they dont want people to complete the grind to fast but as it sits they are making player grind the same 3 or 4 missions over and over and over while other content sits unplayed.
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Now, I just take a shuttle, run an errand in the allied zone for the commendation, then head back to the gate and use the teleport to the battlezone.
If the rewards are going to be as low as the allied and contested zones now, they might as well scrap it and work on something else.
The Dec 19 patch
I guess the Dyson rep is going to take a while to finish......
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I guess I was snow blind. Still if the daily that give a comendation for the 2500 dyson mark rep mission still exists it may not be too bad, just will take longer to max my Dyson rep for PvP.
With my new schedule offering more down time time I will be able to play more, so I will see today.
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I've been just doing Breach Elite once a day since the daily nerf, using the commendation for rep grind and opting for fleet marks to keep the base grind moving. Fun as that one is, it's getting a little old. But I only need to run it three more times to hit Dyson Tier V.
They were NEVER interesting. EVER. The rewards of the daily space meant that you could get some dilithium and marks with your daily token. Most folks were just doing it for the token. Now that the reward is gone and you just get the token, folks will run storming the spire or breach because they'll actually get some dil and marks ALONG with their daily token.
It's not that players only play the stuff that gives the easiest rewards. No... far simpler than that. Contrary to Cryptic/PWE's beliefs, the players AREN'T STUPID. They can see crappy content. They can experience it. They can resent it. Then they will stop playing it. Reward or not, if the content is pure rubbish nobody will do it. There's a reason only a small sliver of the player base bothers with the NWS. It's terrible content. Those that do it usually exploit it (farming) or they are not doing it for the content but IN SPITE of the content (i.e. getting the accolade title)
It isn't too bad getting comms still. What they did is when they removed the daily, they added a comm to every mission in the sphere space. So all you have to do is when you arrive in Allied space, hail Dyson Command and pick up the 10 mark mission they have. Do that mission really quick and you will get your daily comm that way instead.
The main issue from them removing it was the marks and dil. Since those are gone there isn't much point in hanging around the space zones. The BZ is the fastest way to get marks and dil, so that's where most people are these days. The BZ daily is still there and still gives a comm, so if you want it's possible to completely ignore the space zones and go straight to the BZ.
If I'm being lazy, then I'll do a quick mission in Allied space for my comm. If I'm going to be heading to the BZ for marks/dil anyway, then I just go there since I can get my comm there too.
So the removal of the daily didn't really hurt rep progression, but it basically killed the space zones since there isn't much of a reason to go there anymore for a long period of time.
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Breach Elite needs to reward double the current dilithium. Romulan missions need elite variants and dilithium rewards. Get me?
If I were to guess, I'd say that this game is built on the idea of creating highly desirable gear placed behind a number of gates. You jump through the hoops to get the gear you want, but it loses its appeal after you snag your trophy. So they create more things to lust after and posses. They also add new gates and the whole thing starts all over again.
Until Cryptic starts building this game around compelling content, this is going to be the norm. When game content doesn't provide satisfactory income, they ditch it for more plentiful sources. The content, honestly, isn't that great. The dialog is one-dimensional, unimportant, and not very memorable. You can skip every piece of dialog in the game and just follow the mission checklist to get through the missions. Ask yourself, "how much of the content would I play if it didn't reward me with marks, dilithium, nor other items?" If you feel the game would lose its appeal without those things, then you know the content isn't the focus of the game.
Now, some people would bring up the argument, "It's a business, they have to make money or this game won't exist." That is true, but it does not justify crafting a game specifically to drive people to the store to buy stuff at the exclusion of making a good game with content that is compelling to play regardless of the store. STO may have the most lenient F2P system so far, but it is not a paragon of business models. It's still deeply flawed because they build the game around driving customers to the store in a constant cycle of consumerism rather than create a compelling game that has story missions that you don't want to rush through, depth of plot, depth of play (not to be confused with complexity), and diverse PvP/PvPvE scenarios.
Relationships, fare a similar way in each of our lives. The really good ones, the noteworthy ones.. takes time to develop as we have learned in patience to enjoy each moment spent with them in shared memories. So our approach to this game follows suit in likened manner with how we live our lives. Quality over quantity. Like catching a snowflake in our hand. Others may run around to catch as many as possible, while we savor the intricate design and characteristic sparkle of each one which lasts but for a moment in the warmth of our hand before passing on to live only in our cherished memory.
I would hope that somewhere at Cryptic, is a kindred spirit who shares this same value. One who has not given up their dream to create, through long labor, a timeless classic which embodies the spirit of exploration.. to seek out new life, new civilizations... to go boldly.
Them changing it up, didn't bother me, cause I was just working the tiers for ground & ship abilities. The store didn't really grab me on buying new stuff. Maybe later...
There is one question which burned in every one of us, and made us study the stars and dreamed of travelling to them.. "Are we alone?" We're all explorers, driven to know.. what's over the horizon, what's beyond our own shores. Yet, the more I"ve experienced, the more I've learned. That no matter how far we travel or how fast we get there. The most profound discoveries, are not necessarily beyond that next star. They're within us, woven into the threads which bind us, all of us.. to each other. The Spire.. presents a challenge unlike those we have already faced in the Alpha Quadrant. We will need one another's strength to last the day there. The final frontier, begins with each friend we make. Each challenge we face. Let's explore that future, together.