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hiya all I have been playing since beginnig of 2011 and have tried to learn as much as my brain lets me understand about pvp
im a tactical fed officer using jem'hadar attack ship using all mk xii very rare consoles /fleet advanced mkii weapons
being disruptor base weapons
and when im in pvp some times I see ships that cut in to a borg cube like butter
how can I get like this
im using 4x advanced fleet disruptor dual heavy cannons mk xii ( dmgx3 (crth)
maco graviton deflector array mkxii
adapted maco combat impulse engine mkxii
elite fleet reinforced warp core mkxii ( eps ) (e->s)(scap)(amp)(sss)
adapted maco convariant shield array mkii
3x advanced fleet disruptor turret mkii ( dmg ) x3 (crth)
eng consoles / neutronium alloy mkii very rare purple
eng consoles / enchanced neutronium alloy mk xi (+turn )
uni console / assimilated module
eng console / field emitter mkii very rare purple
sci console / field generator mkxii very rare purple
tactical consoles 5x disruptor inductions coil xii very rare purple all
can any one help me out on a mega killer build for my jem hadar attack ship
if pos would like to stay using disruptors
any help would be appreciated
happy new year
im a tactical fed officer using jem'hadar attack ship using all mk xii very rare consoles /fleet advanced mkii weapons
being disruptor base weapons
and when im in pvp some times I see ships that cut in to a borg cube like butter
how can I get like this
im using 4x advanced fleet disruptor dual heavy cannons mk xii ( dmgx3 (crth)
maco graviton deflector array mkxii
adapted maco combat impulse engine mkxii
elite fleet reinforced warp core mkxii ( eps ) (e->s)(scap)(amp)(sss)
adapted maco convariant shield array mkii
3x advanced fleet disruptor turret mkii ( dmg ) x3 (crth)
eng consoles / neutronium alloy mkii very rare purple
eng consoles / enchanced neutronium alloy mk xi (+turn )
uni console / assimilated module
eng console / field emitter mkii very rare purple
sci console / field generator mkxii very rare purple
tactical consoles 5x disruptor inductions coil xii very rare purple all
can any one help me out on a mega killer build for my jem hadar attack ship
if pos would like to stay using disruptors
any help would be appreciated
happy new year
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You don't mention your boff skills... but I think we can infer what you are running for the most part. One for pvp forget trying to do 4 dhc... swap one out for a Dual Beam bank... and slot at least one overload. As a tac you can use Tac Init to keep 1 going every 15s pretty consistant. You will need the extra spike to end people
On what you did post... if you are going to use disruptors in PvP you need to have the ACC mod on them. I would also suggest Not using the Fleet weapons unless you have next to no EC.
For Disruptors... run one Elachi Dual beam bank. (the proc goes through shields if your overload procs you can end someone with full shields)... ACCx3 would be the best... however you don't need to spend that much... get a [acc]x2 [crth]... or [acc] [crth]x2 which ever you can afford or is a good deal at the time.
For the canons.... Go with 3 Nanaite Disrutpror DHC... this will allow you to run DHC with 3 mods on them... again same mods as the DBB. This will allow you to stack the nanite proc on people that will give you more shield pen.
For the turrets... drop to 2 turrets... and run one Kinetic Cutting beam... you already have the console on this will enable the Omega Amp proc on the set which will give you a nice boost of DPS. For the turrets though... you can run the Fleet... However you want to switch to higher [acc] versions... or best yet Pick up some Polarized Disruptor Turrets... this will give you the Polaron and Regular Disruptor procs... they only have 2 mods [acc]x2 would be best but pricey... agaain [acc] [crth] would be a good substitute.
The defelector engine shield are not doing much for you really.... I know you didn't say you where getting beat up... I find that right now Covariant shields are a pain with all the bleed through going on... handicapping yourself with another 5% is hard to heal through. however if you are going to run one at least you have the placate proc on that one so it may be ok.
For the engine and deflector though I would probaly go with the Borg set for the extra hull heal it makes the bug a lot more tanky imo.
For doffs / boff skills... most people run a hazards a tss... a Epte a Epts with either aux to damp or Aux to Sif or something. I like Damp myself and the new damp doff is godly... if you have the EC again the Attack Pattern doffs are a great way to keep omega 3 up 50% of the time... the combo of that and the damp doff will make you immune to GW and Repulsors all the time. I would say Omega 3 - Rapid Fire 2 x 2... Delta 1 ... Overload 2 - Tac Team x 2
IMHO ( I m flying a bug ship for almost 1,5 years now)
1) DONT USE BEAM OVERLOAD. While it may become THE INSTA killing skill on every tac escort ,it is much better with "hit and run" cloak able ships like Bird of Preys (KDF or ROM)
Even with Acc x3 the amount of beam overload missfire is just too often to overal serves you well.You may become enthousiastic about the few insta vapes with BO ,but consider how many times your attempts was failure.Not to mention the energy drain on weapon power.
2) Dual Heavy Fleet Elite Disruptor Cannons are arguably currently the BEST weapons for KDF
Again if you will use a dual beam bank and beam overload (not realy recommended unless u are in a cloakable ship) the Elachi with Acc x3 or x 2 is probably best choice.BUT Elachi is not a better choice compared to Elite Fleet if you go with DHCs only
3) DONT go for Nanite Disruptors.Imo they are total TRIBBLE. (Have tested the Acc x 3 against many different DHCs and they were doing the least of damage.
4)DONT drop a turret for the cutting beam in hope to take advantage of the Omega weapon amplifier.The cutting beam itself does miniscule damage and while the amplifier is nice to have its chance and time of action is OVERAL NOT better to a turret that fires consistently.
I urge u to actually use a full set of aft turrets.You may use an elachi and or polarized disruptor type instead of all fleet elite even though i still feel i m doing most damage when
everything is fleet elite.
Are you sure that you know what pvp is ??
If you seeing ships shooting borg-cubes your talking stf's/pve !!
Last time I checked there were cubes in Ker'rat. That's what I assumed he was talking about anyway.
Granted if he is KDF you make a good point those weapons are extremely OP... he said he was using the step down though so I was assuming him to be fed. If hes KDF your right.
He also mentioned he was using a Maco Cov shield... pretty much a dead give away that E disruptors are not an option for him.
it might take a few seconds longer but even my full aux, no energy weapon sci ship can slice through cubes pretty handily.
Ya know, I have a PvE fleet that I started in 2011, everytime one of my PvE buddies asks me for build advice, I put them in a PvP build (I don't tell them that). They are usually stunned by what can be done with a properly built, skilled and geared PvP ship.
The only reason why PvP builds are not top of the game in PvE usually is because there's not many high health targets till the end and it needs more of a constant stream of damage than super spike like PvP.
So yeah what you really need is advice on being an effective alpha striker. Antonio's advice is sound, it will make you effective for PvP and should allow for a nice alpha on the Borg.
I've even seen Zelda's bug in the breach and that thing alpha strikes like a baws. Would have been better if the mission wasn't so lame so I coulda seen a bit more and sized it up for PvE.
It is through repetition that we learn our weakness.
A master with a stone is better than a novice with a sword.
Has damage got out of control?
This is the last thing I will post.
CryoX I always breathe a small sigh of relief when I see you on my team. Would you mind posting your current build? I'm always interested in how others builds are looking that may not fit the current popular build (like no DBB, no KCB).
Its not rocket science... he uses E disruptors for the -25% shield resistance. That allows him to stick to 4 DHC. If your klink and you can afford it grab a set and your good to go.
Ya thanks I can read. I got that from his last post. I don't think I'd just slap a set of elite d's on a ship and be as effective as he is.
I think you would. lol
Its a standard bug build. 2 Attack pattern doffs... omega 3 + delta 1/beta (can't remember which he was running)... 2 copies of rapid 2... 2 tac teams... EPTE EPTS... and I can't remember if he was using aux to damp with the doff an RSP or a SIF... but any of the 3 would work... a Hz and a TSS.
Pile on that... some Tier 4 placate a placate shield and Bob (not the Yak) is your uncle.
Its the same build every fed bug pilot ran for a year or so in every premade going... it just still works because klinks can ignore 25% of shield resistance.
But back on topic. A tractor beam makes four DHCs much easier, although you have to do without HE or TSS, in the long run its worth it in my opinion. Timed in that sweet spot while APO and TT is on CD you can almost always get a kill unless they pop RSP up.
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Well Antonio is right. I dont think of my build as being "special" or unique in anyway.
Its also true that there isnt realy a fixed set up /build i use,rather i keep changing all the time testing something new and/or coming back to what i felt worked best.
Generaly i dont use Omega 3 2x CRF 2 but i prefer 2 x Omega1 CRF3/CRF 1.
I dont have a Attack pattern doff.Even if i had a full set of 3 i doubt i would use them because i ve found other doffs to be of more importance )
I also use one Delta 1 ( Works better than Beta,especialy against beam strong FAW AuxtoBat exploiters)
EptEngines EptShields and a sci BOF with PH 1 and HE 2.
I feel i m doing better with PH ( instead of TSS 1) plus 2 x Omega in an enviroment dominated by tractors coming from all sides and even from mines.
An escort that is unable to move is a dead escort.You can survive without shields but you cant survive without your ...hull;)
I m very battery depended.Fully specced plus purple battery cd reduction doff and i get to use one every minute.Sometimes ( special occasions) i load double Aux/Engine Batteries and they are fantastic.
The choice between RSP 1 or Aux to Inertial Dampeners 1...
The logic in using the Aux to In Damp + energy damage resistance doff is obvious.
Makes your bug/escort immune to al the sci TRIBBLE ...Gravity,Tykens,Repulsors,Shockaves,Mine explosions ,torpedo kinetic dmg...In current PvP status quo all those skills are ruling the game.
BUT, RSP is absolutely crucial in order to utilize Go down fighting to its fullest potential.
No other tactical captain skill is as powerfull and as destructive as GDF on low hull.
I ve never seen any ship survive a full time CRF on GDF with a hull of 10% or lower...
Without RSP it becomes extremely difficult -if not impossible- to survive long enough to use precious GDF.That is the reason i always end up chosing RSP over Aux to dampeners.
Having said that,If aux to in damp would aditionaly provide immunity to tractors (like Omega) and VM i would probably choose it over RSP.
As for Doffs my most precious is the one that clears all debuffs when Emerg Power to X system is activated.An amazing doff that practicaly remove the need for Science Team and /or Engineering team.
Perhaps the only thing i sometimes do that is unusual and rarely seen is using Single Cannons in place of Dual Heavies.Most players consider these to be low damage ,useless TRIBBLE ....but that is far from the truth.As a matter of fact in many circumstances i do same or even MORE damage with a full set of Fleet Elite Single cannon disruptors than with DHCs.What u loose in burst damage you get from sustained damage due to 180 firing arc plus the Fleet Elite proc of taking down shields.:D
Thx:
Stonewall Jackson
Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak.
The doff is a warp core engineer and clears all debuffs, not only sci. Useful against oneshot-abilites like scramble, subnuke, FOMM etc.
Thanks for sharing your build Crypo... sorry I was a bit snotty in the previous posts.
You do the klink bug well... just annoyed my fed bug is dead. lol See ya in game.
Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak.
Stonewall Jackson
Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak.
thank you to you all telling me what you all thought
I have changed a few things but still not getting the result im after
it is better but have seen a lot better players out there
im using
im using 4x advanced fleet disruptor dual heavy cannons mk xii ( dmgx3 (crth)
assimilated deflector array mkxii
assimilated subtranswarp engine mkxii
elite fleet reinforced warp core mkxii ( eps ) (e->s)(scap)(amp)(sss)
assimilated regenerative shield array mkii
3x advanced fleet disruptor turret mkii ( dmg ) x3 (crth)
eng consoles / neutronium alloy mkii very rare purple
uni consoles / zero point energy conduit
uni console / assimilated module
uni console / tachyokinetic converter
uni console / bioneural infusion circuits
tactical consoles 5x disruptor inductions coil xii very rare purple all
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if any one can help me and tell me what im doing wrong and tell me what will make this a killer
many thanks to you all for taking the time to answer my questions ?
Hi, your equipment/layout is fine except for the shield, almost anything would be better, its the worst escort shield in the game. Try elite fleet or adapted maco.
However your skill points could do with some work.
Mainly you have no points in power insulators or inertial dampeners, this is suicide!
You need 3 in each minimum. Also I would take 3 off hull plating and put 3 into threat, this gives more in defence overall. Others could give you more advice but that's what stands out to me.
You condemn the abuse of Aux2Bat FAW cruisers, yet you use the Cleanse All Debuffs Warp Core Engineer. What an absurd double standard.
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can i ask you why do you leave coments like that ?
i posted this topic as i was asking for help
and about the warp core i was told that would help my build ??? may be not
im not very good at builds as you can see
but im just after help
if any one can realy help me
that would realy be kind of you many thanks to you all