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theonlyhamster#0636 theonlyhamster Member Posts: 126 Arc User
edited January 2014 in Federation Discussion
Hi Guys my name is TheHampster01 and I'm here to talk about the terran empire mirror universe vessels, even though some or most of us dislike the texture that comes with them, some of the current terran vessels even though they aren't as strong or powerful as fleet vessels they still have good potential. For example the MVPE (or mirror prometheus) has the same boff layout as the prime universe patrol escort, this enables the ship to have a greater tanking ability compared to the prime universe MVAE plus it has a greater damage potential due to the lieutenant commander tactical instead of the science alternative.

What I'm proposing is a few more mirror universe ships to go with the prime universe.

Mirror Universe Odyssey Class Dreadnought Cruiser

This ship can still use all of the prime universe oddy yet it has a different console layout along with a few different boff stations as well as the ability to load dual cannons and a cloaking device (this can be found on the prime universe galaxy-X and defiant)

Boff stations: Commander Engineering, Lieutenant commander Tactical, 2x Lieutenant universals, ensign science

Console Layout
4x Engineering console slots
1x Science console slot
5x Tactical console slots

even though this nullifies most science abilities, this shows the mirror universe oddy to be a devastating power house.

Mirror Universe Galaxy-X Class Dreadnought Cruiser

even though this ship has the same Lance beam array and the ability to equip a cloaking device and dual cannons it has a different boff and console setup

Boff Stations: Commander Engineering, Lieutenant commander Science, 2x Leutenant tactical, ensign tactical

Console Setup:
3x Engineering console slots
3x Science Console slots
3x Tactical Console slots

This shows the mirror Galaxy-X to be a multi-purpose vessel designed to withstand almost any attack giving it a balance between all 3 tiers
the mirror galaxy-X also has a different weapon layout, having 5 forward and 3 aft weapons gives it a greater forward damage potential.

Mirror Universe Tactical Escort

To me and you this is the mirror universe equivalent of the defiant class

this still has the same console slots and ability to load a cloaking device however it has a different boff configuration

Boff Stations: Commander Tactical, Lieutenant Commander Engineering, 2x Lieutenant Tactical, Ensign science

To me this makes the mirror defiant look like it was designed to withhold damage and deal it at the same time, at the sacrifice of high science abilities.

Mirror Universe Long Range Science Vessel

again similar to the mirror universe defiant this is the mirror equivalent of the intrepid
with the same console layouts and the ability to load dual cannons but not Dual heavy cannons, it has a different boff layout, it can load a cloaking device too.

Boff Stations: Commander Science, Lieutenant Commander tactical, 2x Lieutenant science, ensign engineering.

To me the mirror intrepid seems like it can compensate for the lack of hull healing with massive shield heals and damage potential

Mirror Universe Heavy Support Cruiser

This is the Mirror galaxy class retrofit to you and me as it can equip the Saucer separation module along with the ability to load dual cannons and dual heavy cannons, but because of the galaxy classes immense size it cannot equip a cloaking device. along with the same console layout as the prime galaxy, it also has different boff stations

Boff stations: Commander Engineering, Lieutenant commander Science, 2x Lieutenant engineering, ensign tactical.

to be honest this ship may not be able to deal great amounts of damage but I believe it has a greater healing potential as it can quickly heal any shield or hull damage as it takes it.

and finally the last ship

The Mirror Universe Multi-Mission Destroyer

This is basically the mirror universe equivalent of the Vesta class
It can use all of the prime vesta's consoles and aux cannons.
However this is an escort not a science vessel, with 5 forward and 2 aft weapons it can deal alot more fwd damage than the prime vesta can, but it still has the same base turn rate and crew as the prime universe vesta making it difficult to use turrets as an effective aft weapon.

its boff layout and console layout are completely different to that of the prime vesta

Boff Stations:
Commander Tactical, Lieutenant Commander Science, Lieutenant engineering, Lieutenant tactical, Ensign science

Console slots
5x tactical
4x science
2x engineering

To me this shows the mirror universe Vesta as a more science orientated escort rather than a pure damage dealer, this ship would also be difficult to tank in.

i hope this wasn't too lengthy but please reply asap as i'd like to know what people think :)
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  • theonlyhamster#0636 theonlyhamster Member Posts: 126 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    skollulfr wrote: »
    11 console destroyer...:rolleyes: typo much?

    true but still what do you think of them?
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  • goldentalosgoldentalos Member Posts: 38 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I would personally like to see some more mirrorverse ships, but that's simply a preference. If it came down to a choice, it would be better for said ships to belong to other factions rather than to add yet more ships to the already over-loaded Fed faction. That said, if we're going to have fun with this...

    Let's be creative. Sure, the mirror Oddy is an interesting idea but what about a Mirror Nebula? Don't just have the ships performing the same roles as their counterparts shake it up! Mirrorverse dreadnought as a Galaxy with a Tac-focus, firepower overtanking.

    Mirror Defiant as an actual scout; science and tac so that it can probe into the prime universe and escape back to report. As an alt, Sciencie and Engineering with a focus on staying power and support; make it actually mirror the Defiant class.

    Sovy as the Mirror-Universe science cruiser, adding support to the Galaxy's firepower.

    Go further than that and give them unique consoles like Mirror Command and Control which can be equiped to a Galaxy and provides boosts to all other mirror ships in a battle.

    Yeah, it'd never happen and it'd probably be pretty bad if it did, but its fun to think up, no?

    What are all your ideas for mirror verse ships?
  • theonlyhamster#0636 theonlyhamster Member Posts: 126 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I would personally like to see some more mirrorverse ships, but that's simply a preference. If it came down to a choice, it would be better for said ships to belong to other factions rather than to add yet more ships to the already over-loaded Fed faction. That said, if we're going to have fun with this...

    Let's be creative. Sure, the mirror Oddy is an interesting idea but what about a Mirror Nebula? Don't just have the ships performing the same roles as their counterparts shake it up! Mirrorverse dreadnought as a Galaxy with a Tac-focus, firepower overtanking.

    Mirror Defiant as an actual scout; science and tac so that it can probe into the prime universe and escape back to report. As an alt, Sciencie and Engineering with a focus on staying power and support; make it actually mirror the Defiant class.

    Sovy as the Mirror-Universe science cruiser, adding support to the Galaxy's firepower.

    Go further than that and give them unique consoles like Mirror Command and Control which can be equiped to a Galaxy and provides boosts to all other mirror ships in a battle.

    Yeah, it'd never happen and it'd probably be pretty bad if it did, but its fun to think up, no?

    What are all your ideas for mirror verse ships?

    good ideas but these are the first few that came to mind
  • goldentalosgoldentalos Member Posts: 38 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    good ideas but these are the first few that came to mind

    Eh, I was mostly just having fun coming up with some new stuff; like I said, its all about being interesting and actually mirroring the Fed faction.
  • capnshadow27capnshadow27 Member Posts: 1,731 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Hi Guys my name is TheHampster01 and I'm here to talk about the terran empire mirror universe vessels, even though some or most of us dislike the texture that comes with them, some of the current terran vessels even though they aren't as strong or powerful as fleet vessels they still have good potential. For example the MVPE (or mirror prometheus) has the same boff layout as the prime universe patrol escort, this enables the ship to have a greater tanking ability compared to the prime universe MVAE plus it has a greater damage potential due to the lieutenant commander tactical instead of the science alternative.

    What I'm proposing is a few more mirror universe ships to go with the prime universe.

    Mirror Universe Odyssey Class Dreadnought Cruiser

    This ship can still use all of the prime universe oddy yet it has a different console layout along with a few different boff stations as well as the ability to load dual cannons and a cloaking device (this can be found on the prime universe galaxy-X and defiant)

    Boff stations: Commander Engineering, Lieutenant commander Tactical, 2x Lieutenant universals, ensign science

    Console Layout
    4x Engineering console slots
    1x Science console slot
    5x Tactical console slots

    even though this nullifies most science abilities, this shows the mirror universe oddy to be a devastating power house.

    Mirror Universe Galaxy-X Class Dreadnought Cruiser

    even though this ship has the same Lance beam array and the ability to equip a cloaking device and dual cannons it has a different boff and console setup

    Boff Stations: Commander Engineering, Lieutenant commander Science, 2x Leutenant tactical, ensign tactical

    Console Setup:
    3x Engineering console slots
    3x Science Console slots
    3x Tactical Console slots

    This shows the mirror Galaxy-X to be a multi-purpose vessel designed to withstand almost any attack giving it a balance between all 3 tiers
    the mirror galaxy-X also has a different weapon layout, having 5 forward and 3 aft weapons gives it a greater forward damage potential.

    Mirror Universe Tactical Escort

    To me and you this is the mirror universe equivalent of the defiant class

    this still has the same console slots and ability to load a cloaking device however it has a different boff configuration

    Boff Stations: Commander Tactical, Lieutenant Commander Engineering, 2x Lieutenant Tactical, Ensign science

    To me this makes the mirror defiant look like it was designed to withhold damage and deal it at the same time, at the sacrifice of high science abilities.

    Mirror Universe Long Range Science Vessel

    again similar to the mirror universe defiant this is the mirror equivalent of the intrepid
    with the same console layouts and the ability to load dual cannons but not Dual heavy cannons, it has a different boff layout, it can load a cloaking device too.

    Boff Stations: Commander Science, Lieutenant Commander tactical, 2x Lieutenant science, ensign engineering.

    To me the mirror intrepid seems like it can compensate for the lack of hull healing with massive shield heals and damage potential

    Mirror Universe Heavy Support Cruiser

    This is the Mirror galaxy class retrofit to you and me as it can equip the Saucer separation module along with the ability to load dual cannons and dual heavy cannons, but because of the galaxy classes immense size it cannot equip a cloaking device. along with the same console layout as the prime galaxy, it also has different boff stations

    Boff stations: Commander Engineering, Lieutenant commander Science, 2x Lieutenant engineering, ensign tactical.

    to be honest this ship may not be able to deal great amounts of damage but I believe it has a greater healing potential as it can quickly heal any shield or hull damage as it takes it.

    and finally the last ship

    The Mirror Universe Multi-Mission Destroyer

    This is basically the mirror universe equivalent of the Vesta class
    It can use all of the prime vesta's consoles and aux cannons.
    However this is an escort not a science vessel, with 5 forward and 2 aft weapons it can deal alot more fwd damage than the prime vesta can, but it still has the same base turn rate and crew as the prime universe vesta making it difficult to use turrets as an effective aft weapon.

    its boff layout and console layout are completely different to that of the prime vesta

    Boff Stations:
    Commander Tactical, Lieutenant Commander Science, Lieutenant engineering, Lieutenant tactical, Ensign science

    Console slots
    5x tactical
    4x science
    2x engineering

    To me this shows the mirror universe Vesta as a more science orientated escort rather than a pure damage dealer, this ship would also be difficult to tank in.

    i hope this wasn't too lengthy but please reply asap as i'd like to know what people think :)

    As fun as i think those look, i have to say, The Hamster might have fallen off the wheel :eek:
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  • sevmragesevmrage Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    One thing, Hamster. Your Mirror Galaxy-X can support cloaking. However, your Mirror Normal Galaxy can't handle using a cloak because of the size of the ship.

    You were thinking this up as you went, weren't you? :D

    Just thought I might point that out for you.
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    My name is Rage, and I too support a revised Galaxy family.
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  • goldentalosgoldentalos Member Posts: 38 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    sevmrage wrote: »
    One thing, Hamster. Your Mirror Galaxy-X can support cloaking. However, your Mirror Normal Galaxy can't handle using a cloak because of the size of the ship.

    You were thinking this up as you went, weren't you? :D

    Just thought I might point that out for you.


    Why not have no mirror Galaxy cloak? As I recall, that tech wasn't developed by the Terra side of the mirror for some time after the Fed's already had access to it; so by the time that they did have it, the Galaxy might be a little dated.

    What about a cloaking Intrepid raider? That's a sight I'd like to see.
  • sevmragesevmrage Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Assuming Mirror Galaxies were built like Primes, They too would have a 100 year service life, something they in 2409 are still within.
    Weyland-Yutani Joint Space Venture - Always open to new members!
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    My name is Rage, and I too support a revised Galaxy family.
    khayuung wrote: »
    Firstly, be proud! You're part of the few, the stubborn, the Federation Dreadnought Captains.
  • goldentalosgoldentalos Member Posts: 38 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    sevmrage wrote: »
    Assuming Mirror Galaxies were built like Primes, They too would have a 100 year service life, something they in 2409 are still within.

    True, but I was mostly thinking that by the time the cloak was developed, better options would be available to the Empire. I would think the Galaxy is too big to easily be cloaked. Presumably, they would also be capable of generating more power for one, but as I understand it the cloak gets harder to maintain the bigger it is.

    Sure, you could fit a Galaxy with a cloak, but why not have it be on a smaller ship? Not only so that it isn't the same as the Prime universe, but also so that it would make sense for them. Cloaked raiders are exactly what the Terrans would love.
  • sevmragesevmrage Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    The D'deridex cloaks, and it's as big as the Galaxy, if not bigger.

    It could be too that cloaking devices are hard to build. If you're going to only have a few, why not put them on the ships that will give the biggest psychological impact? What would have more impact than a massive battleship appearing in your face? Just knowing one could shadow you and destroy you on a whim.

    Cloaking raiders would be great, but most effective when they can appear and dissappear at will, and have enough of them there that you can't get an accurate count. One or two that can run and cloak only does so much. Especially if they are the only ones who can in a group.
    Weyland-Yutani Joint Space Venture - Always open to new members!
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    My name is Rage, and I too support a revised Galaxy family.
    khayuung wrote: »
    Firstly, be proud! You're part of the few, the stubborn, the Federation Dreadnought Captains.
  • theonlyhamster#0636 theonlyhamster Member Posts: 126 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    sevmrage wrote: »
    One thing, Hamster. Your Mirror Galaxy-X can support cloaking. However, your Mirror Normal Galaxy can't handle using a cloak because of the size of the ship.

    You were thinking this up as you went, weren't you? :D

    Just thought I might point that out for you.

    Yup but think about it the galaxy X has more advanced systems than the normal galaxy and the prime universe has the same, galaxy-X cloak, norm galaxy no cloak xD.

    besides i think the best ship out of the lot i said has to be the mirror vesta lol
  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    @ Op: If you're interested in fleet-level Terran Empire ships, you should check out my (dead) fleet holding thread:

    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=918021

    If you wanna respond to anything there though, post it here, as it's against the rules to necro.
  • torvinecho25torvinecho25 Member Posts: 49 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I vote no.

    You are proposing that C-Store ships (such as the Galaxy X and Odyssey) be made available almost entirely free-of-charge. Not only would that anger anyone who has already spent money on those ships, it would also completely destabilize the "ship" economy so to speak.
  • doffingcomradedoffingcomrade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Honestly, the Mirror Ships should be able to take the cloaking device console, because Mirror ships have cloaking devices.
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