Depends which members of fanbase are we talking about since they don't tend to agree on everything despite what the vocal ones who tend to yell the loudest like to think.
What I was meaning, was if a film is not being made for the enjoyment of fans, what is the point in making it? (money) If thoughts of an established fan base are unimportant, a director can always go down the route of the Wachowskis and release work like Cloud Atlas and Jupiter Rising... Sure, there will be fans of the Wachowskis, but by themselves, neither of those movies will have a fan base in the same way Star Wars and Star Trek have an established fan base. But JJ and co didn't do that... They knew if they were to put another derivative piece on the Big Screen, they would be laughed out of town, so instead, they out out Into Darkness -- a film heavy with references and in-gags (some really quite brilliant) yet given their attitude to fans, and given they're not fans themselves, those additions were done for their own self-satisfaction, and so they could say 'we did that...' One of the writers even apologised for the Alice Eve underwear scene due to it being totally gratuitous...
Star Trek (1967) was not like Star Trek: The Next Generation, no matter how much some people try to twist it to fit the mold. The federation wasn't a utopia and humans didn't go around saying they were saints. So complaining about Star Trek (2009) not being a TNG clone makes no sense as the only show it needed to care about was Star Trek (1967).
Now having watched most of the first two seasons of Star Trek (1967) as well as Star Trek (2009) and Star Trek Into Darkness I didn't really see any way in which these films were not consistent with that show.
I quite agree, TNG and ToS were bother very different animals.
As for inconsistencies between ToS and Into Darkness:
Kirk's attitude (ToS Kirk - despite reputation - followed the rules)
Multiple uniforms
Relationship between Spock and Uhura (two people unaffected by Nero's attack on the Kelvin
Uhura's attitude (ToS Uhura was not only a competent professional, but she was a friendly, fun person. NuHura -competent as she may be - is a snarky b*tch...)
Scotty's role as comic relief (ToS Scott was a HardCore military officer, whom knew how to bend the rules when needed. NuScott is a manic clown)
Khan being an honourable and noble man (he did not turn against Marcus or Kirk before they betrayed him first... He saved the life of a girl for no reason - he could've just recruited her father and withheld the cure after, but he gave the cure first... He also saved Kirk and co from the Klingons, and never raised a hand to Kirk to defend himself when beaten)
I quite agree, TNG and ToS were bother very different animals.
As for inconsistencies between ToS and Into Darkness:
Kirk's attitude (ToS Kirk - despite reputation - followed the rules)
Multiple uniforms
Relationship between Spock and Uhura (two people unaffected by Nero's attack on the Kelvin
Uhura's attitude (ToS Uhura was not only a competent professional, but she was a friendly, fun person. NuHura -competent as she may be - is a snarky b*tch...)
Scotty's role as comic relief (ToS Scott was a HardCore military officer, whom knew how to bend the rules when needed. NuScott is a manic clown)
Khan being an honourable and noble man (he did not turn against Marcus or Kirk before they betrayed him first... He saved the life of a girl for no reason - he could've just recruited her father and withheld the cure after, but he gave the cure first... He also saved Kirk and co from the Klingons, and never raised a hand to Kirk to defend himself when beaten)
Just a few for consideration
I dunno, Old Khan is pretty honorable in Space Seed. He just thinks of other people as subhuman. (which is bad in itself, but it's still different)
And I kind of like New Scotty, although he IS criminally underused (as is New McCoy. Seriously, McCoy is better than New Kirk on soooooo many levels. Give him some more screen time!). New Scotty deserves some geek badass time. Maybe the next villain tries to take over engineering, and Mr. Scott goes "Oh, HELL NO!!!"?
YMMV on New Uhura. But the uniform changes are ridonkulous.
New Kirk is my biggest hate point, because he's a f*cking brick who harasses random women in the street and treats rules as irrelevant.
Old Kirk followed the rules, if grudgingly. The only time he outright broke the rules? Was when Spock was dying and stupid Starfleet regulations stood in the way of getting him help.
Old Kirk had emotion. I mean, William Shatner, man. You don't get much more emotion than that.
Old Kirk was polite and respectful to women. He was an old-fashioned ladies' man, polite and kind and respectful and always there for his love interest of the week and emotional and easily approachable and was generally fun to be seduced by. He was SMOOTH, damn it. The kind of guy a woman could really enjoy dating.
New Kirk is a Jerk Jock who harasses random women and otherwise shows no emotion. Thanks a lot, JJ. You ruined the original Captain of the Enterprise. You monster.
Yeah I doubt there are enough fans of Star Trek left to be successful at the box office,
Financially speaking, I believe Into Darkness was the most successful of any Star Trek film. Are you suggesting all those ticket sales were just random walk-ins who watched whatever was showing? :P Trek and Wars have plenty of fans to be viable at the box office.
there weren't enough left to keep it on television.
Correction: There weren't enough viewers, and that can be explained in two words -- Brannon Braga
The fact that people stopped watching the self-indulgent cross he wrote and okayed, does not mean that people stopped being fans of the franchise. I stopped watching Doctor Who because I hated Matt Smith as the Doctor, hated Amy Pond full-stop, and got sick of Moffatt's increasingly poor writing. I am still a fan of Doctor Who, however. I still enjoy the other series', and am looking forward to what a new actor will bring to the role. However, I am quite prepared to never watch it again if Peter Capaldi can't bring something interesting to the role...
Let's face it if Star Trek wants to continue to survive it needs the general audiences.
As for it being an unnecessary reboot, the fact is that Star Trek was dead until Abrams came along. Do it was a very necessary reboot.
I disagree... I don't think Star Trek has to keep producing fresh material to retain a fan base or retain its place in the cultural psyche. The new films were produced for money, plain and simple, not for any desire by the studios to keep the series alive. They knew that they could write anything, slap 'Star Trek' on it, and get bums on seats. Into Darkness proved that from a financial perspective. As for it being a reboot/reimagining, as I mentioned with Prometheus, it is quite possible to do a prequel which fits into the existing chronology without changing the works which came before. To go down the Alternate Universe route was a shallow excuse to be able to use established characters and scenarios, but with the freedom of not having to be true to the original material.
Besides Roddenberry was okay with rebooting it, so if it's good enough for him I don't see why it shouldn't good enough for me.
If you mean the original movies, it's no secret that he actually was not happy with how things were done, however, those movies were a continuation of the existing verse, rather than a true reboot... I'm quite happy to watch the JJVerse 'as movies', but being alternate reality, they have absolutely zero impact on the PrimeVerse, and I wouldn't really consider them as parr of the canon if doing PrimeVerse work
To the JJ haters: Just because you didn't like them doesn't mean they weren't successful, popular movies, nor does it mean 'all fans hate them'. In fact, both are patently wrong.
I dunno, Old Khan is pretty honorable in Space Seed. He just thinks of other people as subhuman. (which is bad in itself, but it's still different)
I'd need to re-watch Space Seed to confirm, but I think that Khan made the first move in trying to overthrow Kirk/return to his megolomaniac ways... NuKhan was effectively coerced into supporting Admiral Marcus' loony plans, and only turned against people after they betrayed him. I'd say he was a true mirror image of his Prime Verse counterpart ^_^
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And I kind of like New Scotty, although he IS criminally underused (as is New McCoy. Seriously, McCoy is better than New Kirk on soooooo many levels. Give him some more screen time!). New Scotty deserves some geek badass time. Maybe the next villain tries to take over engineering, and Mr. Scott goes "Oh, HELL NO!!!"?
Totally agree about McCoy, and sure, NuScotty is entertaining, but not really true to his established character, and no reason for him to be different. In terms of comic relief, I think that award goes to his sidekick
On the one hand, yes, it makes sense for a military to have different uniforms for different occasions, which TNG/DS-9/Voyager handled quite nicely, but in The ToS era, there were standard duty uniforms, dress uniforms and EVA suits, and they weren't changed anywhere near as frequently as folks in the JJVerse Have to admit though, I quite liked the new jackets to go over the 'pyjama top' ship-board uniforms :cool:
New Kirk is my biggest hate point, because he's a f*cking brick who harasses random women in the street and treats rules as irrelevant.
Old Kirk followed the rules, if grudgingly. The only time he outright broke the rules? Was when Spock was dying and stupid Starfleet regulations stood in the way of getting him help.
Old Kirk had emotion. I mean, William Shatner, man. You don't get much more emotion than that.
Old Kirk was polite and respectful to women. He was an old-fashioned ladies' man, polite and kind and respectful and always there for his love interest of the week and emotional and easily approachable and was generally fun to be seduced by. He was SMOOTH, damn it. The kind of guy a woman could really enjoy dating.
New Kirk is a Jerk Jock who harasses random women and otherwise shows no emotion. Thanks a lot, JJ. You ruined the original Captain of the Enterprise. You monster.
Yup... NuKirk is just a typical 21st Century wiseass who should've been kicked out of the fleet for Conduct Unbecoming when he was caught cheating on the exam... (same mindset for Admiral Marcus, who should've been wearing a canvas jacket, and living in a padded cell )
To the JJ haters: Just because you didn't like them doesn't mean they weren't successful, popular movies, nor does it mean 'all fans hate them'. In fact, both are patently wrong.
Actually, fans voted Into Darkness the worst of all the Trek films. They rated Galaxy Quest as a better Star Trek film, and that's not even a Star Trek film
As much as I dislike JJ, I actually quite like Into Darkness 'as a movie' to sit down and watch. I just think they took too many liberties with the IP of the franchise, and did so for their own self-satisfaction...
Actually, fans voted Into Darkness the worst of all the Trek films. They rated Galaxy Quest as a better Star Trek film, and that's not even a Star Trek film
That's not "All fans hating it." That's called tyranny of the majority, and it doesn't account for new fans of the IP that ST09 and STID brought in.
I consider myself to be a rather passionate Star Trek fan and I loved STID both as a movie and as a "Star Trek" movie. I'd rate it as the third-best Star Trek Movie (with ST09 being first) and the fifth or sixth best Star Trek movie (with ST09 in third.)
I grow weary of explaining my reasons for not disliking JJ Trek, so I'll just leave this here and let you all look at the critical reception numbers.
...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
- Anne Bredon
That's not "All fans hating it." That's called tyranny of the majority, and it doesn't account for new fans of the IP that ST09 and STID brought in.
Not a phrase I've heard, but I rather like it. I agree, it doesn't necessarily represent all fans, but I do think it represents an interesting insight.
I consider myself to be a rather passionate Star Trek fan and I loved STID both as a movie and as a "Star Trek" movie. I'd rate it as the third-best Star Trek Movie (with ST09 being first) and the fifth or sixth best Star Trek movie (with ST09 in third.)
I'd agree with that, in so much as it being a watchable film, but since reading a review of the Enterprise Mirror Universe episode which was of the opinion that alternate/mirror universe events being largely irrelevant, I find that a hard viewpoint to shake...
I grow weary of explaining my reasons for not disliking JJ Trek, so I'll just leave this here and let you all look at the critical reception numbers.
Equally, I'm sick of having to try and justify (in general, not to you personally) why I dislike JJ and his back catalogue of work, when the reasons are justified in their own right. What I would say though, is that in these instances, my dislike is more of JJ, than the movies, and I just think it sad that he used those movies as a stepping stone to get himself lined up for Star Wars. I've always preferred Star Trek to Star Wars, although I do like SW, but I'll be very interested to see what he does with Episode VII, and might even view it in the cinema, where Into Darkness, I was content to wait for it to come on Sky (and I've now viewed it four times :cool: )
Actually, fans voted Into Darkness the worst of all the Trek films. They rated Galaxy Quest as a better Star Trek film, and that's not even a Star Trek film
As much as I dislike JJ, I actually quite like Into Darkness 'as a movie' to sit down and watch. I just think they took too many liberties with the IP of the franchise, and did so for their own self-satisfaction...
EVERY Star Trek movie EVER made has been vote the worst ever at some point in time.
New Kirk is my biggest hate point, because he's a f*cking brick who harasses random women in the street and treats rules as irrelevant.
Old Kirk followed the rules, if grudgingly. The only time he outright broke the rules? Was when Spock was dying and stupid Starfleet regulations stood in the way of getting him help.
Old Kirk had emotion. I mean, William Shatner, man. You don't get much more emotion than that.
Old Kirk was polite and respectful to women. He was an old-fashioned ladies' man, polite and kind and respectful and always there for his love interest of the week and emotional and easily approachable and was generally fun to be seduced by. He was SMOOTH, damn it. The kind of guy a woman could really enjoy dating.
New Kirk is a Jerk Jock who harasses random women and otherwise shows no emotion. Thanks a lot, JJ. You ruined the original Captain of the Enterprise. You monster.
I think this is the whole point of the 2009 movie, and a significant point in STID. Without George Kirk to guide his formative years, alternate James T. Kirk's character is significantly out of whack. Its taken patient effort from Christopher Pike to bring him back to any sense of what the fans consider "normal", and even then, alt-Kirk had to take a good hard look at his failings in STID, first with Adm. Pike's reprimand, the demotion (though good ol' Pike intended to keep him close to train him more), and later with his confession to the crew that he couldn't save them. (I've only seen it once, and I just barely remember that scene, so I might be forgetting something important).
I should point out that I don't really care for the JJTrek films. I don't loath them, but they're the 3rd lowest rung on my franchise favored list, just above the fifth movie, and twice above the TOS episode The Omega Glory. I just think it fair to note that with alt-Kirk, there were demonstrated reasons for his alt-behavior that wouldn't be fixed by waving a magical fan-wish wand.
Actually, fans voted Into Darkness the worst of all the Trek films. They rated Galaxy Quest as a better Star Trek film, and that's not even a Star Trek film
As much as I dislike JJ, I actually quite like Into Darkness 'as a movie' to sit down and watch. I just think they took too many liberties with the IP of the franchise, and did so for their own self-satisfaction...
I agree completely with the second part. It was fun, if poorly directed.
Galaxy Quest was a terrific movie. There's a reason why George Takei AND Sir Patrick Stewart AND Jonathan Frakes AND Wil Wheaton AND William Shatner all gave it rave reviews. That genre savvy redshirt was hilarious. And I am a HUGE fan of both Tony Shaloub (who played the stoned engineer) and Alan Rickman (the pissed-off Leonard Nimoy parody, by Grabthar's Hammer!). Also, Sigourney Weaver's cleavage. Yowza. :eek::D:cool:
I think this is the whole point of the 2009 movie, and a significant point in STID. Without George Kirk to guide his formative years, alternate James T. Kirk's character is significantly out of whack. Its taken patient effort from Christopher Pike to bring him back to any sense of what the fans consider "normal", and even then, alt-Kirk had to take a good hard look at his failings in STID, first with Adm. Pike's reprimand, the demotion (though good ol' Pike intended to keep him close to train him more), and later with his confession to the crew that he couldn't save them. (I've only seen it once, and I just barely remember that scene, so I might be forgetting something important).
I should point out that I don't really care for the JJTrek films. I don't loath them, but they're the 3rd lowest rung on my franchise favored list, just above the fifth movie, and twice above the TOS episode The Omega Glory. I just think it fair to note that with alt-Kirk, there were demonstrated reasons for his alt-behavior that wouldn't be fixed by waving a magical fan-wish wand.
But did Kirk really learn the lesson? That section is probably the sloppiest part of the movie, in that it happens abruptly, and no sooner is Kirk told he is going 'back to the academy', but he is then allowed to serve as Pike's first officer, despite Pike summing him up perfectly in the disciplinary meeting. That Pike was willing to continue giving Kirk chances was admirable (and of course, something of a plot necessity ) but unrealistic to retain him in such a position, or for Admiral Marcus to give Kirk the leeway he did. The scene where Kirk gets up with the two girls in his bed (Conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman) showed that he was still the same as he was in 09 during his time at the academy, and as soon as he sees Carol' he started hitting on her too... (sexual ha-rass-ment pan-da!) That he was willing to beg for the lives of his crew, is indeed true to Prime Kirk, but I didn't personally take it as a sign that he had learned the lesson of his arrogance (same as if he hadn't ordered Scotty to stun Khan, Khan would not have then turned against him after killing Admiral Marcus [and breaking Carol's leg was totally out of character for someone who had previously been shown to save lives and protect people...]) just a case of saying what he felt might buy them time to do something...
I agree completely with the second part. It was fun, if poorly directed.
Galaxy Quest was a terrific movie. There's a reason why George Takei AND Sir Patrick Stewart AND Jonathan Frakes AND Wil Wheaton AND William Shatner all gave it rave reviews. That genre savvy redshirt was hilarious. And I am a HUGE fan of both Tony Shaloub (who played the stoned engineer) and Alan Rickman (the pissed-off Leonard Nimoy parody, by Grabthar's Hammer!). Also, Sigourney Weaver's cleavage. Yowza.
Are you meaning Into Darkness, or Galaxy Quest? :P Arguably, the phaser pistols in JJTrek are more like those in Galaxy Quest to ToS
Galaxy Quest was a terrific movie. That genre savvy redshirt was hilarious. And I am a HUGE fan of both Tony Shaloub (who played the stoned engineer) and Alan Rickman (the pissed-off Leonard Nimoy parody, by Grabthar's Hammer!). Also, Sigourney Weaver's cleavage. Yowza. :eek::D:cool:
The whole cast was great. I never watched Just Shoot Me, but after seeing Galaxy Quest, Flashpoint, and most recently Person of Interest, I'm really liking the acting chops of Enrico Colantoni.
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I quite agree, TNG and ToS were bother very different animals.
As for inconsistencies between ToS and Into Darkness:
Kirk's attitude (ToS Kirk - despite reputation - followed the rules)
Multiple uniforms
Relationship between Spock and Uhura (two people unaffected by Nero's attack on the Kelvin
Uhura's attitude (ToS Uhura was not only a competent professional, but she was a friendly, fun person. NuHura -competent as she may be - is a snarky b*tch...)
Scotty's role as comic relief (ToS Scott was a HardCore military officer, whom knew how to bend the rules when needed. NuScott is a manic clown)
Khan being an honourable and noble man (he did not turn against Marcus or Kirk before they betrayed him first... He saved the life of a girl for no reason - he could've just recruited her father and withheld the cure after, but he gave the cure first... He also saved Kirk and co from the Klingons, and never raised a hand to Kirk to defend himself when beaten)
Just a few for consideration
Yeah I doubt there are enough fans of Star Trek left to be successful at the box office, there weren't enough left to keep it on television.
Let's face it if Star Trek wants to continue to survive it needs the general audiences.
As for it being an unnecessary reboot, the fact is that Star Trek was dead until Abrams came along. Do it was a very necessary reboot.
Besides Roddenberry was okay with rebooting it, so if it's good enough for him I don't see why it shouldn't good enough for me.
I dunno, Old Khan is pretty honorable in Space Seed. He just thinks of other people as subhuman. (which is bad in itself, but it's still different)
And I kind of like New Scotty, although he IS criminally underused (as is New McCoy. Seriously, McCoy is better than New Kirk on soooooo many levels. Give him some more screen time!). New Scotty deserves some geek badass time. Maybe the next villain tries to take over engineering, and Mr. Scott goes "Oh, HELL NO!!!"?
YMMV on New Uhura. But the uniform changes are ridonkulous.
New Kirk is my biggest hate point, because he's a f*cking brick who harasses random women in the street and treats rules as irrelevant.
Old Kirk followed the rules, if grudgingly. The only time he outright broke the rules? Was when Spock was dying and stupid Starfleet regulations stood in the way of getting him help.
Old Kirk had emotion. I mean, William Shatner, man. You don't get much more emotion than that.
Old Kirk was polite and respectful to women. He was an old-fashioned ladies' man, polite and kind and respectful and always there for his love interest of the week and emotional and easily approachable and was generally fun to be seduced by. He was SMOOTH, damn it. The kind of guy a woman could really enjoy dating.
New Kirk is a Jerk Jock who harasses random women and otherwise shows no emotion. Thanks a lot, JJ. You ruined the original Captain of the Enterprise. You monster.
Correction: There weren't enough viewers, and that can be explained in two words -- Brannon Braga
The fact that people stopped watching the self-indulgent cross he wrote and okayed, does not mean that people stopped being fans of the franchise. I stopped watching Doctor Who because I hated Matt Smith as the Doctor, hated Amy Pond full-stop, and got sick of Moffatt's increasingly poor writing. I am still a fan of Doctor Who, however. I still enjoy the other series', and am looking forward to what a new actor will bring to the role. However, I am quite prepared to never watch it again if Peter Capaldi can't bring something interesting to the role...
I disagree... I don't think Star Trek has to keep producing fresh material to retain a fan base or retain its place in the cultural psyche. The new films were produced for money, plain and simple, not for any desire by the studios to keep the series alive. They knew that they could write anything, slap 'Star Trek' on it, and get bums on seats. Into Darkness proved that from a financial perspective. As for it being a reboot/reimagining, as I mentioned with Prometheus, it is quite possible to do a prequel which fits into the existing chronology without changing the works which came before. To go down the Alternate Universe route was a shallow excuse to be able to use established characters and scenarios, but with the freedom of not having to be true to the original material.
If you mean the original movies, it's no secret that he actually was not happy with how things were done, however, those movies were a continuation of the existing verse, rather than a true reboot... I'm quite happy to watch the JJVerse 'as movies', but being alternate reality, they have absolutely zero impact on the PrimeVerse, and I wouldn't really consider them as parr of the canon if doing PrimeVerse work
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Totally agree about McCoy, and sure, NuScotty is entertaining, but not really true to his established character, and no reason for him to be different. In terms of comic relief, I think that award goes to his sidekick
She's aggressive, condescending, manipulative, snarky and unprofessional. Everything Uhura was not...
On the one hand, yes, it makes sense for a military to have different uniforms for different occasions, which TNG/DS-9/Voyager handled quite nicely, but in The ToS era, there were standard duty uniforms, dress uniforms and EVA suits, and they weren't changed anywhere near as frequently as folks in the JJVerse
Yup... NuKirk is just a typical 21st Century wiseass who should've been kicked out of the fleet for Conduct Unbecoming when he was caught cheating on the exam... (same mindset for Admiral Marcus, who should've been wearing a canvas jacket, and living in a padded cell
As much as I dislike JJ, I actually quite like Into Darkness 'as a movie' to sit down and watch. I just think they took too many liberties with the IP of the franchise, and did so for their own self-satisfaction...
That's not "All fans hating it." That's called tyranny of the majority, and it doesn't account for new fans of the IP that ST09 and STID brought in.
I consider myself to be a rather passionate Star Trek fan and I loved STID both as a movie and as a "Star Trek" movie. I'd rate it as the third-best Star Trek Movie (with ST09 being first) and the fifth or sixth best Star Trek movie (with ST09 in third.)
I grow weary of explaining my reasons for not disliking JJ Trek, so I'll just leave this here and let you all look at the critical reception numbers.
...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
- Anne Bredon
I'd agree with that, in so much as it being a watchable film, but since reading a review of the Enterprise Mirror Universe episode which was of the opinion that alternate/mirror universe events being largely irrelevant, I find that a hard viewpoint to shake...
Equally, I'm sick of having to try and justify (in general, not to you personally) why I dislike JJ and his back catalogue of work, when the reasons are justified in their own right. What I would say though, is that in these instances, my dislike is more of JJ, than the movies, and I just think it sad that he used those movies as a stepping stone to get himself lined up for Star Wars. I've always preferred Star Trek to Star Wars, although I do like SW, but I'll be very interested to see what he does with Episode VII, and might even view it in the cinema, where Into Darkness, I was content to wait for it to come on Sky (and I've now viewed it four times :cool: )
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Aah, that makes it aaaallll okay then :cool:
I think this is the whole point of the 2009 movie, and a significant point in STID. Without George Kirk to guide his formative years, alternate James T. Kirk's character is significantly out of whack. Its taken patient effort from Christopher Pike to bring him back to any sense of what the fans consider "normal", and even then, alt-Kirk had to take a good hard look at his failings in STID, first with Adm. Pike's reprimand, the demotion (though good ol' Pike intended to keep him close to train him more), and later with his confession to the crew that he couldn't save them. (I've only seen it once, and I just barely remember that scene, so I might be forgetting something important).
I should point out that I don't really care for the JJTrek films. I don't loath them, but they're the 3rd lowest rung on my franchise favored list, just above the fifth movie, and twice above the TOS episode The Omega Glory. I just think it fair to note that with alt-Kirk, there were demonstrated reasons for his alt-behavior that wouldn't be fixed by waving a magical fan-wish wand.
I agree completely with the second part. It was fun, if poorly directed.
Galaxy Quest was a terrific movie. There's a reason why George Takei AND Sir Patrick Stewart AND Jonathan Frakes AND Wil Wheaton AND William Shatner all gave it rave reviews. That genre savvy redshirt was hilarious. And I am a HUGE fan of both Tony Shaloub (who played the stoned engineer) and Alan Rickman (the pissed-off Leonard Nimoy parody, by Grabthar's Hammer!). Also, Sigourney Weaver's cleavage. Yowza. :eek::D:cool:
But did Kirk really learn the lesson? That section is probably the sloppiest part of the movie, in that it happens abruptly, and no sooner is Kirk told he is going 'back to the academy', but he is then allowed to serve as Pike's first officer, despite Pike summing him up perfectly in the disciplinary meeting. That Pike was willing to continue giving Kirk chances was admirable (and of course, something of a plot necessity
The whole cast was great. I never watched Just Shoot Me, but after seeing Galaxy Quest, Flashpoint, and most recently Person of Interest, I'm really liking the acting chops of Enrico Colantoni.