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knuhteb5
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D'Deridex Warbird:
Tier: 5
Type: Warbird
Hull: 37,000
Crew: 1500
Shield Modifier: 1.0
Weapons: 4 fore, 4 aft
Bridge Officers: Commander Tactical, Lt Com. Engie., Lt. Com. Sci, Ensign Tac, Ensign Univ.
Turn Rate: 6
Impulse Modifier: .15
Inertia Rating: 25
Bonus Power:
+10 weapons power
+5 engine power
Fleet D'Deridex Warbird:
Tier: 5
Type: Warbird
Hull: 40,700
Crew: 1500
Shield Modifier: 1.1
Weapons: 4 fore, 4 aft
Bridge Officers: Commander Tactical, Lt Com. Engie., Lt. Com. Sci, Lt. Univ.
Turn Rate: 6.5
Impulse Modifier: .15
Inertia Rating: 25
Bonus Power:
+10 weapons power
+5 engine power
Sci Variant: Consoles: 2/3/4
Special Console:
Romulan Metaphasic Shield Array (basically the same as the Ferengi shuttle's console):
Massive Damage Resistance
+600 All Damage bonus Resistance
Flight Speed set to 8
Flight Turn Rate set to 15
+10 Shield Power Setting
Converts 35% (x Starship Shield Emitters / 2) of incoming energy damage into shields
Weapons Offline
Auxilliary Offline
Immunity to Teleport
Engineering Variant: Consoles: 3/4/2
Special Console: Molecular Phase Inverter (projected singularity would be switched to the D'ridathau)
Tactical Variant: Consoles: 4/2/3
Special Console: Wide Angle Plasma Torpedo Launcher [Acc][CrtH][Arc]
Plasma Torpedo
Kinetic Damage
180' targeting arc
to target: __ Kinetic Damage (__ DPS)
Applies Plasma Fire - X Plasma Damage over 10 sec
8 second reload
Special 3 Console Bonus: Disruptor lance. Would essentially be the same as the Galaxy X's spinal lance but this would be a disruptor version instead.
*Maybe have an option to upgrade whichever of 3 versions you like best to fleet level*
Tier: 5
Type: Warbird
Hull: 37,000
Crew: 1500
Shield Modifier: 1.0
Weapons: 4 fore, 4 aft
Bridge Officers: Commander Tactical, Lt Com. Engie., Lt. Com. Sci, Ensign Tac, Ensign Univ.
Turn Rate: 6
Impulse Modifier: .15
Inertia Rating: 25
Bonus Power:
+10 weapons power
+5 engine power
Fleet D'Deridex Warbird:
Tier: 5
Type: Warbird
Hull: 40,700
Crew: 1500
Shield Modifier: 1.1
Weapons: 4 fore, 4 aft
Bridge Officers: Commander Tactical, Lt Com. Engie., Lt. Com. Sci, Lt. Univ.
Turn Rate: 6.5
Impulse Modifier: .15
Inertia Rating: 25
Bonus Power:
+10 weapons power
+5 engine power
Sci Variant: Consoles: 2/3/4
Special Console:
Romulan Metaphasic Shield Array (basically the same as the Ferengi shuttle's console):
Massive Damage Resistance
+600 All Damage bonus Resistance
Flight Speed set to 8
Flight Turn Rate set to 15
+10 Shield Power Setting
Converts 35% (x Starship Shield Emitters / 2) of incoming energy damage into shields
Weapons Offline
Auxilliary Offline
Immunity to Teleport
Engineering Variant: Consoles: 3/4/2
Special Console: Molecular Phase Inverter (projected singularity would be switched to the D'ridathau)
Tactical Variant: Consoles: 4/2/3
Special Console: Wide Angle Plasma Torpedo Launcher [Acc][CrtH][Arc]
Plasma Torpedo
Kinetic Damage
180' targeting arc
to target: __ Kinetic Damage (__ DPS)
Applies Plasma Fire - X Plasma Damage over 10 sec
8 second reload
Special 3 Console Bonus: Disruptor lance. Would essentially be the same as the Galaxy X's spinal lance but this would be a disruptor version instead.
*Maybe have an option to upgrade whichever of 3 versions you like best to fleet level*
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I give up.
But still better than the case of a Romulan Engineerig or Science capten because they cant actually choose a T1-5 Engineerig or Science wardird(s) exept the deridex for ENG. Every other ships are mostly Tac Warbirds
Star with a new Rom flagship........and make it an ENG ship......with OK Tac......
Romulans are good on Tactical ships. Of the Romulans' nine Warbird lines, six are Tactical. There is basically a Tactical Warbird for every play style.
I'd actually like to see a collection of "TNG Extreme Makever, We Done Goofed" 3-packs, where some of our fan-favorite TNG ships get redone so they're not so miserable to fly. D'Deridex for the Rommies, Negh'Var for the KDF and Galaxy for the Feds. I'd absolutely get the DD pack and would probably end up getting the other 2 as well.
Nine.....vs the Umpteen tact ship everyone else has......awesome.....
They do this and the DD is bought. i would not even think about it....
It happens when your faction is less than 1/3rd as old as the other two.
Have you seen what the ship list for the Federation and the KDF looked like when the game was released?
Non-lockbox (but including Veteran) KDF fixed-Tactical Commander ship lines (at T5): 5. (And the Guramba and Somraw have identical Boff layouts, whereas the Romulan tactical ships each have unique Boff layouts) That's not counting any of the Birds of Prey, but counting them as one ship line (given that with the all-Universal slots and nearly-identical stats, they almost are the same) brings the number up to six (or nine if counting each BoP type individually).
The Federation has 9 Escort/Destroyer lines at T5, again counting the Veteran but not the Lockbox ships.
The KDF has several Battlecruiser lines, but the only faction that has "umpteen" of anything else is the Federation.
The Lance would be Plasma not Disruptor, the only idea I really like is the wide angle plasma torp.
ok i admit to some embellishing....but there are ALL the different BOP.....But i will admit the KDF is lacking in ships. If one looks an the entire line of ships, the fed has WAY more than anyone. and the KDF has more than the romulans. Especially if we are only looking at T5 ships.
Look at OPs original thread, the disappointment in the DD and it's consoles. Then you'll see why he made a tac heavy version, and why I just put a facepalm... which I still hold.
*DOUBLE facepalm @OP*...
I just looked......
his fleet DD is Tha Nutz.....
The OP must be really upset with the D'Deridex if he wants something better.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=971631
I think that will answer your comment perfectly.
Just some can't be pleased. :rolleyes:
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
I could definitely go for this as well. Please give us a redone d'deridex as part of this pack, and I'll definitely buy it.
I don't know. Maybe because the d'deridex was the most iconic Romulan ship? Maybe because we're tired of flying giant tug boats? Maybe because tac and sci are more fun than engineer?
So instead of actually learning how to use the D'D as she comes... (and believe me, she's a monster)... you instead want to revamp her into a slower less viable Scimitar wannabe.
Ooook. You need to stop drinking the cool-aid bro.
Eh, I think the Negh'var is a done deal - it's good as a support cruiser thanks to its manoeuverability and the "gunship" version has turned into the Mogh.
Let's apply your mindset to past discussions about rebalancing/tweaking consoles/ships:
1. Subspace integration circuit is released and forum complaints about it pop up:
Your answer: Don't remove the disable component because you should learn how to play.
Cryptic's answer: Remove the disable component, take all of a target's resistances into account, etc.
2. Playerbase suggests BOP rebalancing to account for the Romulan power creep and buffs to Fed/Kling cruisers and Devs announcing flanking BOP feature:
Your answer: Don't add this feature to the bops because the bops are fine and you need to learn how to play them better.
Cryptic's answer: Add a flank feature to the BOP's so that BOPs have more of a fighting chance in PVP and in PVE missions.
3. Discussion surrounding Dev's announcing new cruiser commands for Fed/Kling cruisers
Your answer: Fed/Kling Cruisers are good enough as is and don't need the cruiser commands. Fed/Kling cruiser captains need to learn how to play the game.
Cryptic's answer: We're putting these in. Deal with it.
4. Klingon Playerbase's frustration at the release of the new federation avenger battle cruiser
Your answer: Klings have good enough escorts and cruisers as is. If they can't beat the avenger in pvp, they need to learn how to fly their ships better.
Cryptic's answer: The Mogh battle cruiser.
5. General and ongoing Klingon frustration about how slow the Bortasqu' is and how the Klingons need a retrofit neg'vhar or other new battlecruiser
Your answer: You need to learn how to fly the Bortasqu' better. It's not the ship, it's you.
Cryptic's answer: The Mogh and cruiser commands.
6. General complaints about how the Tier 5 Refrofit exploration cruiser is lacking and needs more tac consoles and boffs
Your answer: You need to learn how to fly the ship better. You are flying the ship like an escort when you should be flying it like a cookie cutter Aux to Bat beam boat.
Cryptic's answer: TBD
7. Complaints about the Ar'kif and it's poor sales numbers
Your answer: learn to fly the ship because it's not the ship, it's you.
Cryptic's Answer: Slap a hanger slot on it.
Your argument about how I should learn to fly the D'D as she comes is simplistic and illogical. Do you believe that ships in STO exist in some unchanging ether that only the Gods control and over which the devs or playerbase have no control or say over? I've been playing the game since 2010 and have flown a plethora of cruisers. I also understand how to deck out a proper beam boat with an aux to battery build.
That being said, I refuse to believe that the D'deridex should be another cookie cutter beam boat. The way I envisioned it before LOR was as a hybrid between a destroyer and a cruiser. It should have been heavy on science (commander) with some average strengths in tactical and engineer (lt commander's and lt's.).
Also, keep in mind that the battles in STO take place at impulse speeds, and there is nothing to suggest in canon that the D'deridex has the turn radius of a yacht at impulse speeds. It was a totally subjective decision on Cryptic's behalf to give it such an abyssal turn-rate. What's worse is that the playerbase just apparently rolled over and accepted this decision. Why do we have to have more of the status quo? We've had boring beam boat cruisers since 2010, and a lot of STO players are sick of them. Why couldn't the D'deridex have been more unique? Why wouldn't it have had more broadside weapons? Why do we have to settle for the same?
Your answer to all of this: Don't ask for tweaks/revamps to ships. Don't ask for a better D'deridex. Settle for mediocrity. Stop dreaming about cooler ships.
No offense but people like you make me want to stop supporting this game and dreaming about how cool STO could be.
I highlighted the most important part of your post. What YOU think... doesn't really matter. YOU personally have no say over what the devs choose to do. So that completely subjective decision making is also what made most fed cruisers turn like whales, it's what made EVERY SHIP IN THE GAME THE WAY IT IS.
My answer is you should learn how to use the D'deridex as she was designed. A BATTLECRUISER. Instead of trying to turn her into a tactical ship. She's a BATTLECRUISER, not an ESCORT. Your proposed PoS is a tactically oriented whale. You can't be bothered to learn how to use the current D'deridex, so instead you nitpick and apply an answer that I gave to THIS SPECIFIC CASE to ALL of Cryptics major issues.
Now I know this might be hard for you, but think for a second. And then look back over threads concerning the issues you foolishly brought up. And then look again. You will see me not hollering L2P but supporting those changes. HUR DURRRRRR. -.-
Now let's look back at your original thread. How many people there are telling you viable ways to make your D'D powerful? How many different ways are proposed? And what is your response? It doesn't match exactly what I want from it, it doesn't out-do every other warbird in every way possible. It isn't a tactical beast. MAKE IT OP (or in the case of what you proposed, a joke).
Allow me to enlighten you. You want a ship that can deal huge damage and tank like a boss? Use the Mogai. You want a ship that can deal huge damage and CC decently? Use the Dhelan. You want a ship that removes faces with such ferocity nothing comes back for seconds? Use the Scimitar. However, if you want a ship that can do all 3 of those things... USE THE D'DERIDEX. It won't hit as hard as the Mogai, it certainly won't hit as hard as the Dhelan, and it most certainly won't hit as hard as the Scimitar, but... it can do all the things those 3 can do... AT THE SAME TIME.
Now if you actually bothered to read the posts in your previous thread, you will see dozens of suggestions on how to do good damage with a D'd. Instead, you chose to listen to that close minded fool alfamega and just wrote off the D'd as garbage. You foolishly wrote off the D'ds versatility as useless, you ignore it's vast capability, and instead choose to insult it with this... THING.
So I am sorry to say, I was trying to be nice. I was trying to be helpful. But at this point, I'm beginning to think I'm wasting my time.
So yes. In your case. LEARN. TO. FRAKKIN. PLAY.
The single cannons with the dil rcs consoles to get her turning. You keep her aux high for heals and debuffs. ....shields high to tank. You love the and as Dash Rendar would say about his outrider, "she will bring you home when others would leave you for scrap."
Just gonna leave this here. Especially for you OP, since apparently you didn't read it the first time.
Oh, and about the turn-rate? Have you seen the size of the Double D? Of course that thing won't turn for beans. It's freakin HUGE. Do you know much force is required to get that amount of mass to move in the first place? Much less change the direction of that movement? Before you say there is no resistance in space and that it should be able to move easily, remember that even in space, objects require force to get moving, and there is still plenty of things to provide friction and resist that movement. Space dust, other particles, gravity acting on objects, other directional forces (like Solar Wind, thermal currents etc). Please look a little into physics before complaining about that.
I set out to prove them wrong, and saw it a challenge. So I bought it, and still using it since October. Even equipping the ship with a DHC. To further prove myself I can make this ship work. Since then I found the ship can hold its own and dish it out as well. I use the ship as both, to sit there and fire. And as a master of the cloak, using it as well to take out my targets. Granted this is all green and blue equipment as I'm still getting it outfitted. I have yet to blow up from the NPCs.
Now you can see my ship pull up with pride as I can make this ship work and get the job done. Making this one happy Romulan Tac Captain. It makes a good talk for RP as I tell the story. How I came across the ship since it bares the IRW prefix. I don't have any plans yet to park the ship.
I bought the ship mainly due from it being a Legend among the Romulans. As it brought fear as it came out of cloak during the TNG and DS9 eras. Loving this ship also helped on the purchase.
Finally I say leave the ship alone. Its good enough.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.