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Romulan Republic characters treated unfairly

ericandrewrossericandrewross Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited January 2014 in Romulan Discussion
Rom Rep characters get no real Cruiser until level 30, and no Science Ships until level 40? Really? We have seen smaller scout/science type ships in TNG and should get them at lower levels.

Also, Rom Rep characters are unfairly not allowed into "Q's Winter Wonderland" at 5th level like Fed and KDF characters because they cannot go to Command at New Romulus until they complete the first story arc at around 9th or 10th level. How is this fair?
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  • ericandrewrossericandrewross Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Also, I have noticed that there is not a single Rom Rep ship availible from Fleet Shipyards that does not require Fleet Ship Modules.
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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    where you been getting fleet ships that dont require at least one fleet ship modules?
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  • josephdridgewayjosephdridgeway Member Posts: 517 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Since when can Fed and KDF access Q's Winter Wonderland at level 5? It's level 10 for everyone, not just Romulans.
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  • thegalaxy31thegalaxy31 Member Posts: 1,211 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Romulans get the Scimitar and the D'deridex and the Dhelan and several others and you're complaining that it's unfair?
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I wouldn't cry too much for the Romulans. Their ships are very, very Damage oriented. And everyone knows, Damage is the reigning Emperor in this game. Unless flying the D'Deridex, the Warbirds generally handle from good enough to excellent.

    All the core Warbirds have Romulan Battle Cloaks, even better than the KDF BOP Battle Cloaks with a whopping +25% damage bonus. The decloak damage bonus can be LENGTHENED with Reman Infiltrator traits, Crits improved by Romulan Operative, and bonus increased even more with Superior Subterfuge. Operative shortens the cloak cooldown timers. The BOFF traits send the Romulans into the stratosphere of power, even now with S8 here, and nothing Fed or KDF side for BOFF traits can even touch such power.

    The Warbirds are perfectly suited for hit & run tactics, far more than anything the old KDF BOP users could have ever hoped for. The ships, the traits, the consoles, the Singularity Abilities... The Romulans don't really need a Cruiser, though the D'Deridex, Ha'apax/Haakona, and Scimitars can be outfitted so, while the dangerous TAC oriented Warbirds melt everything around them.

    And funny you mention wanting a Cruiser for lower levels... because it seemed the whole Romulan population was whining about a 5-6 turn rate ship, the D'Deridex, which is on par with a number of Fed Cruisers and the KDF Bortasqu'.
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  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Also :
    -They don't have an academy, and must move to Qo'nos/Earth for the lore question/DOFF mission
    -The doffs reward for increasing ranks (free DOFF) is an allied DOFF, not a Romulan/Reman DOFF.
    -They don't have access to Romulan Republic species DOFF missions and need to do the ones from the allies
    -Some DOFFs mission barely make sense as a Romulan. KDF-Rom with "Investigate KDF intelligence", a Klingon is Spying a Romulan ship, and there is nothing wrong ? "Execute crewmember", mhh k. "Send prisoners to forced labor", and the Republic is proud to have Remans as part of the Republic, treated as equal (opposed as slaves under the Empire). Not to mention those prisoners are mostly from an allied faction (fed).
    -They need to fight amongst themselves for PVP. That's beyond stupid. The whole point of the Republic is to unite all Roms, and free them from the evil Tial Shiar, not to fight for others, just like mercenaries.
    -Costumes palettes are completely bugged/messed up. Most of them don't match between the legs and the torso.
    -Many bugged uniform. Ranging from clipping to missing part.
    -Allied faction costume lock. If you are Fed-Rom, some costume are not available for KDF-rom, and vice versa. I thought they were the same faction.
    -Treated as Klingon/SF for many conversations.
    -Their flagship ( a scimitar) is a very old ship, seen on screen (Nemesis). KDF/Fed both have a very new state-of-the art ship.
    -While being Romulan, and being extremely important for the Republic, with what most consider heroic feats, they are treated like any fed/klingon when it comes to reputation. I discovered Mol Rihan, and save it from the Elachi, exposed the Tal Shiar duplicity, killed Hakeev the evil mastermind, helped to make the Rom/fed/KDF alliance, destroy the main Elachi threat, but otherwise, I need to tag Eppoh like anybody else. Makes sense.

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  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    daan2006 wrote: »
    where you been getting fleet ships that dont require at least one fleet ship modules?
    Some of the ships available from the fleet shipyards are not "fleet" ships but instead are VA ships that are not available otherwise and cost Fleet Credits only. go here and look for ships that cost 200k FC. Roms dont have any of those.
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  • sonnikkusonnikku Member Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    We need a fleet Scimitar. :(
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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    sonnikku wrote: »
    We need a fleet Scimitar. :(

    why not OP enough for you? not seen a ship yet that can stand up to my scimitar
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    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • jellico1jellico1 Member Posts: 2,719
    edited December 2013
    My Romulans have 11.5% crit chance just from my bridge crew and myself...and a free nifty battlecloak

    I get double the amount of Duty officers

    give us Moar !!!!!!!!!

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  • qultuqqultuq Member Posts: 989 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    sonnikku wrote: »
    We need a fleet Scimitar. :(

    Also, pretty sure, the scimitar is already at fleet level with the plus one console like the oddy, boratas, vesta, and kumari. So if there were a scimitar in fleet store it would likely be less strong like the anniversary oddy. Might as well fork over the zen for the better ship.
  • earlnyghthawkearlnyghthawk Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    ericandrewross wrote: »
    Rom Rep characters get no real Cruiser until level 30, and no Science Ships until level 40? Really? We have seen smaller scout/science type ships in TNG and should get them at lower levels.

    Also, Rom Rep characters are unfairly not allowed into "Q's Winter Wonderland" at 5th level like Fed and KDF characters because they cannot go to Command at New Romulus until they complete the first story arc at around 9th or 10th level. How is this fair?

    As far as the first, who the hell cares? Wow, so you have to gain a whole whopping 5 levels, which would likely take a grand total of 20 minutes. (At the worst).
    As far as the ships, well, Rihan as a faction, hasn't been available for that long. Be patient, give it some time. I'm sure there will be more ships to flesh out the line-up.

    I'm more worried about this "super-size-it" trend going on, I'd rather see more small and mid-sized ships, period.
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  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    sonnikku wrote: »
    We need a fleet Scimitar. :(

    We don't. The ship itself is already a fleet ship IMO.
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  • davidwforddavidwford Member Posts: 1,836 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    qultuq wrote: »
    Also, pretty sure, the scimitar is already at fleet level with the plus one console like the oddy, boratas, vesta, and kumari. So if there were a scimitar in fleet store it would likely be less strong like the anniversary oddy. Might as well fork over the zen for the better ship.

    I agree. But since they are suckers for pain and will never be satisfied until delivered, here is my suggestion:

    Scimitar
    Hull: 40,000
    Shields: 5,748 (Mk X)
    Shield Mod: 1.1
    Weapons: 5 Fore, 3 Aft
    Crew: 3000
    BOFFs: CDR Eng, LTCDR Uni, Lt Sci, Lt Tac, Ens Tac
    Consoles: 4 Tac, 2 Eng, 3 Sci
    Device slots: 4
    Turn: 7
    Impulse: 0.15
    Iniertia Rate: 20
    +10 Weapons +5 Engines

    The Ensign slot is fixed like the Oddy and the Bort, and the consoles are 9 total.
  • sernonserculionsernonserculion Member Posts: 749 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    sonnikku wrote: »
    We need a fleet Scimitar. :(


    We need a fleet first!

    Then that. :D


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  • mikeflmikefl Member Posts: 861 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I want to see a good science vessel for rommies. Scimitar is already a fleet ship build.
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  • feiqafeiqa Member Posts: 2,410 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    There are some areas that do feel arbitrary against Romulans. No working reputation till 50 when others began at 45. I get the 5 point difference early in the career so that they are established on Mol'rihan. But a nice offset to that should be at least a boost in Romulan faction marks.

    As for ships per grade. . I think there should be greater choice per level.
    I mean I detest the dhelan/dhael and will play in a cross faction ship just to avoid it.

    And you want to mollify some of the KDF hurting. Make some of these 'older' ships that are available to fly use a console driven regular cloak. (Hint for a romulan D7) Or maybe no cloak at all. Sure it flies against the Romulan skill choices, but it is an option some might take for the boosted power level or other ability.

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  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    edited December 2013
    As someone else put it... we're a fraction not a faction... dealwithit
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  • ericandrewrossericandrewross Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    daan2006 wrote: »
    where you been getting fleet ships that dont require at least one fleet ship modules?

    I did not say Fleet Ships, I said ships from the Fleet Shipyard, that is to say Retrofits.
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  • ericandrewrossericandrewross Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    josephdridgeway wrote: »
    Since when can Fed and KDF access Q's Winter Wonderland at level 5? It's level 10 for everyone, not just Romulans.




    Read the whole thing here.

    read the text Q gives you when you go: "Must be level 5"

    and I just used a Level 5 Fed character to go to Q's winter wonderland, so you are incorrect. It IS level 5 for Fed and KDF, so Roms are getting screwed on that.
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  • ericandrewrossericandrewross Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    thegalaxy31 wrote: »
    Romulans get the Scimitar and the D'deridex and the Dhelan and several others and you're complaining that it's unfair?

    and not one of those is a Science ship, so are Rom Sci officer supposed to get screwed until level 40?
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  • hfmuddhfmudd Member Posts: 881 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    This is STO. Science officers of all factions are screwed to level 50 and beyond.
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  • baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    hfmudd wrote: »
    This is STO. Science officers of all factions are screwed to level 50 and beyond.

    yes, if you make the mistake of actually flying a science ship with a sci captain...otherwise, they are pretty awesome.

    on topic:
    you may call it unfair, but if you think about it: cryptic invests time and money into ship design, that needs to be brought in again, otherwise they loose money. 200k fleetships don't earn them enough to justify the workhours of one of the TWO shipdesigners.

    in other words...if you want to fly a rom ship with a specific design, you gotta "pay" (real money or time grinding)
    IMO, 100% justifyable for a 100% free to play game, with i might add, a fantastic free to play model. (lockbox gambling addicts may see this differently)
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  • davidwforddavidwford Member Posts: 1,836 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    baudl wrote: »
    yes, if you make the mistake of actually flying a science ship with a sci captain...otherwise, they are pretty awesome.

    on topic:
    you may call it unfair, but if you think about it: cryptic invests time and money into ship design, that needs to be brought in again, otherwise they loose money. 200k fleetships don't earn them enough to justify the workhours of one of the TWO shipdesigners.

    in other words...if you want to fly a rom ship with a specific design, you gotta "pay" (real money or time grinding)
    IMO, 100% justifyable for a 100% free to play game, with i might add, a fantastic free to play model. (lockbox gambling addicts may see this differently)

    If it wasn't for converting to Free to Play, then all of the newer ships released would have only cost EC (or simply cost a ship token) instead of zen(money). Personally, I preferred the subscription based system. The quality of players has gone down the tubes. While there is a diamond here and there, you get more garbage rather than gold.
  • tpalelenatpalelena Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    davidwford wrote: »
    If it wasn't for converting to Free to Play, then all of the newer ships released would have only cost EC (or simply cost a ship token) instead of zen(money). Personally, I preferred the subscription based system. The quality of players has gone down the tubes. While there is a diamond here and there, you get more garbage rather than gold.

    New ships costing EC only? Someone is living in a dream.

    I have been playing this game since it came out, and such a thing never happened.

    There was always a few "Choose from" ships, and the good ones in the C-store.
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  • umiharayuuumiharayuu Member Posts: 180 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    tpalelena wrote: »
    New ships costing EC only? Someone is living in a dream.

    I have been playing this game since it came out, and such a thing never happened.

    There was always a few "Choose from" ships, and the good ones in the C-store.

    New ships have always cost CP/Zen.
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  • ericandrewrossericandrewross Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    hfmudd wrote: »
    This is STO. Science officers of all factions are screwed to level 50 and beyond.

    Really? Lets look at the free ships you can get by faction...

    Federation
    Level 10: Escort (Tac), Cruiser (Eng), Science (Sci)
    Level 20: Escort (Tac), Cruiser (Eng), Science (Sci)
    Level 30: Escort (Tac), Cruiser (Eng), Science (Sci)
    Level 40: Escort (Tac), Cruiser (Eng), Science (Sci)


    KDF
    Level 10: Raptors (Tac), Battle Cruiser (Eng), Raider (Universal*)
    Level 20: Raptors (Tac), Battle Cruiser (Eng), Raider (Universal)
    Level 30: Raptors (Tac), Battle Cruiser (Eng), Raider (Universal)
    Level 40: Raptors (Tac), Battle Cruiser (Eng), Raider (Universal)

    *Given that all BOFF slots on these ships can be used for Any class BOFF they can easily act as a Sci ship.

    Rom
    Level 10: Bird of Prey (Tac set up)
    Level 20: Bird of Prey (Tac set up)
    Level 30: Bird of Prey (Tac set up), Bird of Prey (Eng set up)
    Level 40: Bird of Prey (Tac set up), Bird of Prey (Eng set up), Bird of Prey ((Sci set up)


    So from level 10 to level 40 Fed and KDF characters can fly Fed or KDF ships that are tailored to their class (a total of 12 for each faction). Romulan Republic chartacters that want to fly Romulan ships get no choices at all until 30th level, and no Sci ship until level 40... a total of 7 ships from level 10 to 40... barely over half what Fed and KDF get...
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  • doggpatchdoggpatch Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    all i can say about Roms being treated unfairly ..hahahahahahaha...K D F ....now there is a Faction that is being unfairly dealt with....all our ships cost 4 ship mods..plus no tier five half assed cloak(we should have same battle cloak as roms....and all stations on all Klink ships should be universal...they say that not enuff money spent on Klink side...gheee i wonder why...look @ how many ships (good ships) are available to all Factions.....then get back to me....you bunch of Klingon Haters....kiss my BUTT....and yes i do not like to post anything ....but sometimes ya just gotta...
  • reximuzreximuz Member Posts: 1,172 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    sonnikku wrote: »
    We need a fleet Scimitar. :(

    3-Pack ships are already equivalent to fleet ships.
  • ericandrewrossericandrewross Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    we also cannot have fleet uniforms set in fleets we are in. I tried and even with basic romulan uniform parts it shows the parts as 'unlockable pieces' and will not allow any Romulan or Reman fleet uniforms at all
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