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When it comes to PvP, who would you consider to have the best rounded game in STO.
Not an ego stroking thread. It's an extension of a debate from another thread to see what peoples perception of great players is.
If you don't know what to aspire to to be great, how do you know your headed in the right direction? Right?
PS, also state why you think he / she is as well.
Not an ego stroking thread. It's an extension of a debate from another thread to see what peoples perception of great players is.
If you don't know what to aspire to to be great, how do you know your headed in the right direction? Right?
PS, also state why you think he / she is as well.
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Koopa and Spacepenguin are up there with MT. Sadly they haven't been on in a long time.
It is through repetition that we learn our weakness.
A master with a stone is better than a novice with a sword.
Has damage got out of control?
This is the last thing I will post.
Someone who can suffer victory or defeat with the same level of humility, and be content in his own victory.
A few come to mind. I would rather not mention them because I know I would miss a few as deserving as the rest. (I just had a Bilbo moment! Freaky)
Like awesome I saw this player do 4 million damage, he must be l33t, when actually he has no team abilities just outright FAW boat in a squishy Scimitar.
My opinion of a great player is someone who is generally helpful and gives new players a helping hand and guides them from the ground up with no condescending behaviour. The best thing is they don't proclaim to be the 'best player'.
They don't necessarily have to be high DPS/Healer players, but players who have been around and know better than to gloat and rename their ships to taunt other players/fleets or rage on zone chat/TS for example
People who think of others first and themselves last gets my vote.
- Gohan (House of Beautiful /Sad Pandas)
There have been a ton of great players over the 4 years though. Saddly not many of them are really playing anymore. Of course many newer players have jumped in and became very very competent players, I don't mean to sound like grandpa on the porch talking about the good old days. For new players Hank has been mentioned and I will mention CaptainFook as well. The Cap has gotten very good at almost every role by sheer hard work and analysis.
Would be great if Cryptic really did dig in an bring PvP back in STO... it would be great to see old friends like the Gripple Chew ghostwolf and ash get back and battle the range of great players that have been around over the last 4 or so years.
Hm let me see, "best rounded" in my book would include being a bad-TRIBBLE tactical, bad-TRIBBLE CC sci, and bad-TRIBBLE healer... which is if you think about it some very heavy criteria. Out of the hundreds of committed PVP'ers that I've played with and against, only 2 people come to my mind off the top of my head.
One is MT. Very analytical. Perfectionist Min-Maxer. His builds are usually more than rock-solid and most importantly, he understands the game and has the ability to pull off his builds.
The other one - and that may come a bit of a surprise for some - would be Strike from TRH. Having played alongside with him quite a lot, I can safely say he is a TOP5 escort player period. He has a diverse character collection with very strong builds, for pugging, Kerrat and for premade teamplay. No matter what ship, whether its a tac, healer, or sci, he has the means and ability to utilize them effectively. With the exception of MT, he fits your criteria the best.
There are some other players, like Naz and Yoda, who are also among the best. However, I have seen them mostly on tac or sci, and only very rarely as a full no-nonsense healer. Those guys (and some others) meet 2 out of 3 criteria... I am sure however, if they'd choose to play a full healer, they'd excel at that as well...
When i personally look for good players, i look at the following including the above:
My personal opinion will always be biased towards teams because frankly, PvP for me is about the team and not the individual.
Follow up question:
Based on what was summarised above, what players make you think "oh Sh**" and make you go supercharged when they enter the arena against you?
Can't have people thinking I'm a good, useful part of the community, can we?
i can't name just 1 player....but...
MT has the best timing in the game.
Hank has the best situational awareness in the game...possibly far surpassing every other player in this area.
Naz is most likely the best utility player in the game, he can play any role on the battlefield, and the most engaging theory crafting discussions i've ever had have been with him.
have fun kill bad guys
Nobody. :P
I fly a 2-spd automatic, where the tranny's broke and never shifts to 2nd.
Though, if somebody does kill me...I have a tendency to die more, as I forget everything else to pester them for the rest of the match.
edit: As an aside, it is kind of funny - thinking about it, eh? The names...I almost never see most of the names mentioned outside of the forums or now and again in OPvP. Then again, I almost exclusively KvF in PUGs...so unless folks are also doing that, I'm almost never going to see them. So this thread, in a sense - could be - along the lines of folks from Burger King going to a McDonald's while sitting down with some folks from Wendy's and asking what everybody likes...going to be based on where they eat.
Damn these are a lot of attributes that someone needs to fulfill haha
In an nutshell, who in this community has the soft skills in addition to the "hard" skills...
That's a tough one, I don't think anyone meets these requirements to the letter.
There are a number of people in our community with great soft skills and leadership qualities, however the second requirement (making a pug work) and third requirement (target calling) narrows it down quite a bit.
The individuals that comes closest to it in my opinion would be:
- Damian from Pandas
- Yoda from TRH
- Pug01 from FES
Runner ups:
- Thales from Critz/Pandas
- Naz from Pandas
Regarding Damian:
Diplomat. Always maintains a positive attitude. Good premade and pug team leader. Great guy to play with and to chat with. Awesome escort player. Everyone who plays together with him can be considered lucky. Unfortunately he is taking a break from the game.
Regarding Yoda:
Not only a good leader and an exceptional player, but also a great guy! His kindness and overall positive attitude was inspiring and it really saddened me like nothing else when he left the game. His target calling skills are among the best in the game (I've tried to learn as much of it as I could) and he made pugs work more than once. Some of his good traits in the soft skill department I tried to adapt in running Inner Circle as a fleet leader.
Regarding Pug01:
Exceptional fleet leader with a lot of experience and wisdom. Very decent player too! However, he play more ground than space, which really comes close to herecy :P
Regarding Thales:
I don't know him too well but what I've been told and to a somewhat degree witnessed, he is a good player and good team leader. Overall a good package.
Regarding Naz:
Veteran PVP'er with good team skills. Community organizer. Most of the time diplomatic, but can bite back when stung.
PS: Someone else came to my mind: Smeagol from La Familia. However he has been inactive the last couple of months.
Hurdles to overcome, in other words. Not saying other fleet/premades arent as good, but those are the three that stick out atm.
Individually id say Riley is one of the most dangerous out there. Perhaps Tvape as well. Decloaking alphastrikers are among the nastiest things we face as a fleet. Only some of us have learned to counter them effectively. Work in progress.
My knowledge of who is who is sadly limited to whoever queues up, but there are a lot of really skilled players in this game that deserve all of their props.
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Don't feel bad.
I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
:P
Not half bad half of you who thinks the other other half is half good
- Gohan (House of Beautiful /Sad Pandas)
"Most of the time diplomatic, but can bite back when stung." Wow, really?? Do i have that much of a bite??....lol
You are right. No 1 person comes in with all the badges above, but, a couple for me have a lot of the badges.
How else would you sort the wheat from the chaff so to speak?
Look what you did to Inner Circle post TRPH era. Not seen many able to do that in such a short period of time to a PVE orientated fleet.
Possibly beginnings of a good article for your magazine :P
Gotta love his Javelin in his Guramba lolz FTW
- Gohan (House of Beautiful /Sad Pandas)
But yeah, so much good playersi n this game. Hank, Damian, Naz, Strike, Yoda, Emtee, Gohan, zenith, cryo, and all the guys i missed !!!
I cant choose
Its doesnt matter tho either
You joke. I did want to write an article titled "Legends of the Fall" and prompted got chased out of town by the pitchfork-mob
Starting to feel very much like that crazy scientist living up on the hill to be honest.
the other knock out legend that comes to mind aytanhi
beign good isnt about dps, or instant killing one guy. its about beign a legend, no one kicked more TRIBBLE than blackjack, and no one rolled face as kdf sci bop more than santa claws(won dozens of 5v1)
if u argue these facts its becus ur a noob and u dont remember/ never knew
Blackjack as much fun as I had flying with and against him never really did anything accept decloak 4xcannon builds. One of the legends no doubt... but all around player not so much.
Ayatani should have had a job as head bug hunter. Lets be honest good pilot ok player... but all his 5x1 shenanigans were fueled by more then a few grey zone mechanics... and I think he would even admit a few where pretty much flat out exploits.
From the same group of players though Era was a monster healer and flew some very good offensive builds. Frankly I believe a few of the games newer players like hank are better all around... still I would slot him above Ayatani on a well rounded list.
Its to bad all of the games past heros where not playing at the same time. Seeing a GOD/Panda/InnerC/TRH/Critz/TSI/FS/Lag/NocaC/RE/SOB/Sciwiz/CTO/grethor/AI/32/7th/RZR/X (and all the awsome groups I have missed) Super smash up would be pretty awsome (not counting all the traitors that have been in more then one of the above lol). Tons of great players the last 4 years, just never more then a handful ever active at once.
Also if your going to mention the Ayatani and the Blackjack... then I guess you have to include the Keg.
I would have Hank over BJ anyday of the week as a tac....
He was a threat, dont get me wrong he was a threat. But once he was controlled, he fell apart a bit....