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Crit rate for BFAW CSV too high
darramouss1
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As I understand it, there's a tactical officer on the bridge of your ship, spamming that spacebar when you're in a space fight. One would hope that he and the ships computer are working together to aim for critical or vulnerable areas of the enemy's ship. This occasionally results in a critical hit. This is how I imagine regular fire, BO and CRF working.
BFAW and CSV, however, are quantity over quality. They're not so much as landing precise hits, they're more about landing as many as possible to as many targets as possible. As such they should have a diminished critical hit multiplier, like CritH reduced by 25% of total, to reflect the rushed nature of the weapon.
Rushed nature, you say? Well, BFAW and CSV fire more shots at more targets than regular fire. In order to fire more shots at more targets you would need to act quicker in order to achieve that. Less time per shot = rushed. Also, if it wasn't harder or more stressful to do what BFAW and CSV do then they'd be the norm and regular fire wouldn't exist.
I sense there will be some people who think this makes sense. I also think there will be staunch BFAW users who won't be able to see logic because they're blinded by the thought that their dreamboats would be affected by this.
BFAW and CSV, however, are quantity over quality. They're not so much as landing precise hits, they're more about landing as many as possible to as many targets as possible. As such they should have a diminished critical hit multiplier, like CritH reduced by 25% of total, to reflect the rushed nature of the weapon.
Rushed nature, you say? Well, BFAW and CSV fire more shots at more targets than regular fire. In order to fire more shots at more targets you would need to act quicker in order to achieve that. Less time per shot = rushed. Also, if it wasn't harder or more stressful to do what BFAW and CSV do then they'd be the norm and regular fire wouldn't exist.
I sense there will be some people who think this makes sense. I also think there will be staunch BFAW users who won't be able to see logic because they're blinded by the thought that their dreamboats would be affected by this.
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I was thinking the same thing here...
Main toon flies cannon escorts, but I do enjoy sweeping away an opponents precious pet spam crutch with a bit of CSV + TS. :cool:
Now if only gravity wells, tychen's rifts, and warp plasma could be targeted....
I'm more of a cannon guy myself
You might as well have said "This is what I think, therefore it must be true, and anyone who disagrees is a blinkered fool with a vested interest in the status quo."
The problem is, you wouldn't be bringing this up if you didn't have a vested interest in changing the status quo. So next time I suggest laying out your idea and leaving out the pre-emptive, poorly veiled criticism of anyone who might think differently - you might actually get a decent discussion out of it, instead of people rolling their eyes at yet another person engaging in blatant hypocrisy.
Of course, that's just my opinion.
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Oh, it is you. Dude. Just stop. The developers are under no obligation to tailor the game mechanics around your preferred builds. So. You don't like BFAW or A2B. Tough. If you feel a build is more powerful than others go ahead and use it. If you insist on not using, for some befuddled reason ("I can't have fun unless I'm shooting skittles single canons!") that's also fine. It's up to you how you play the game. But if you want optimal DPS you have to adapt to the game mechanics; stop trying to have them adapt to you.
You know, you're right, the developers are under no obligation to change the game. This forum, however, is so that people can voice their opinion. What, are you saying that I shouldn't? That I don't have the right? If so, what gives YOU the right to demand that I stop?
As for optimal DPS, no, I'm not looking for optimal DPS. I'm looking for something the game is currently lacking. Balance. An even playing field. A game where no single build becomes "the build" for winning. Where creative thinking and creative builds mean something. Maybe I have an overly developed sense of fairness, but in my mind the only possibility I can see for a player not wanting an even playing field is because they're selfish and care only for themselves. Not the best attitude to have in an MMO.
That's funny!!
An honest presentation might help your case. Rather than suggesting that game mechanic XYZ is broken/malfunctioning because it doesn't work the way you'd like, just admit it's your wholly subjective personal opinion that it should work differently.
Nerf Bops!
CUUCUUMBEER! "-With slight partigen with it."
Proud member or DPS-800 "-We kill dem mines with our scitter turrets."
My requests for balance are not limited to things I don't like/use. I run healers a lot, yet in the past I've said that healing has gone overboard. No ship should be able to heal up to 100%. Each ship should have an initial hull, current maximum hull and current hull. You die when current hull reaches 0. When you take damage, your current hull is reduced by the amount of the damage and your current maximum hull is reduced by 50% of the damage. You can't heal above your current maximum damage.
That would kill some of my tank builds, forcing me to start from scratch with them. It's also a hit 'd be prepared to take if the game benefited from the change.
Is it wrong to hope for balance? I hope not!!
The way I see it used in these forums, "balance" very often means "either my preferred build is awesomesauce I-win button, or the game is unbalanced." :rolleyes:
No, balance does not mean every random, silly build must be successful, or that a limited number if ideal setups won't eventually emerge.
So what are you complaining about, because this is actually the case, BFAW on a 'per/shot' basis does have a lower Crit chance... (Though BFAW Weapon Proc was broken, and is suppose to fixed with todays Tribble patch...)
If this was taken away from beam users what would be left for them ?
beam overload ? LOL 4k to 10k average shots every 15 seconds ? Lmao
beam users only get 1/2 of the proc rate verses CRF users and 1/2 the damage considering the romulan crit rate advantage 2x the shots 2x the crits 2x the damage
bfaw equalizes this a little but it hits everything in range and not a single target
your looking at this with a narrow vision yourself and not the bigger picture
I suggest you open your eyes wider
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
However that ONE TRIBBLE above is pissing me off in how rude and stuck up he's acting towards the OP arguments. 500 zen says he flies and AUX2BAT FAW boat... Now who is self serving? I can reccomend a good proctologist if you ever decide to have your head pulled out. Per regulation I can't say his name...
Consider arguments objectively... It's hard but possible I think most of you are being a bit too closed minded. Your emotions are illogical...
OP is the most self serving here, most likely hoping to get a few lulz out of trying to ruin other's fun.
Only an idiot would want to nerf the critical rate for the damage dealing abilities..... I would say rather heals should get a critical hit too, and there they should heal more than the usual number.
All MMOs have more critical hit mechanics, not even less.
Good idea. Higher pressure damage, less spike. Thank you for not treating my idea as a trolling attempt as others seem to.
Self serving? Trying to get lulz? No. I'm not here to troll. I'm here to post my thoughts and opinions regarding the game. If you think that calling someone self-serving and calling their ideas to be that of an idiot then so be it. Feel free to troll some more.
Support 90 degree arc limitation on BFaW! Save our ships from looking like flying disco balls of dumb!
Only way to truly "balance" is to nerf everything and everyone make everyone be sci toons with one cruiser type available to fly and make all powers the same for everyone across the board......
Every game ive ever played there were always those who complained about balance and unfair "builds" because they either dont understand the methods or arbitrarily choose to not use them for the sake of "canon".
The game has a multitude of variables that allow us to choose our path, play our playstyle and engage in parts of the game we want to play.
So play your game how you want to play it.... enjoy the variety you have access to and just have fun!
If someone outclasses you or does more dmg or heals more then you.... so what? Its a game....
Its sad that people cant counter the proposal with reasoned argument and instead resort to trolling the OP by guessing motive so that they can attack his character indirectly.
lol that was gold!
Thank you for recognising my post as a an opinion and not as a troll. It's appreciated.
OMG, this is the best thing I've seen all day!!! You get the award for funniest post. Ever.
I can't count how many times I've done CSV in an escort and nailed multiple 10k+ crits in a row on the same ship and watched it evaporate in a few short moments. A bit to much if you ask me.
[Unrepentant] Lapo@overlapo: the problem with space STF
is that you can't properly teabag your defeated opponent
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Spray and Pray machine gun fire can deal fatal wounds, but its chance of landing a lethal hit are much lower than a 50cal aimed sniper rifle targeting a person's central mass.
However, in a game like STO, game play quality has to be given higher priority over realism. Otherwise there would be no incentive to use BOFF powers like CSV or BFAW. CSV used to be so gimpy that no one used it. After its damage upgrade, CSV became viable for general use. Why would we want to see it backslide to pre-patch mechanics?
Okay the reason they won't see logic is because there isn't any here. Keep it where you've admitted in later posts, it is just an opinion. These are just the way you think the abilities work, not how they actually work.
CRF actually has the greatest increase in the rate of fire and yet you feel that is fine. Game mechanics say otherwise, but okay.
Torpedo Spread just plain not missing grants it an artificially high no cost crit rate, but okay.
BFAW is Beam Fire at Will, not Fire all Willy Nilly. So you're making a presumption.
I'd almost grant you Scatter Volley. Just the huge volume of fire implied by the name and the effect supposes that once in a while you squeeze a bunch of extra fire out of your cannons and get more for it. So I changed my mind.
The 'rushed nature' of the abilities is your bias. There's no evidence of that anywhere else but in your post.
Beam Overload actually has a bit of a charge up. And a large power cost. Were you thinking of granting extra crit chance to that attack? No. You weren't. You've deemed that normal operation that may result in a critical hit.
Here's my take on scatter volley. Once in a while you're able to use your cannons so as to completely blanket an area in fire. Enemy ships can't avoid taking some damage and any efforts they make to avoid the fire actually brings them into more of it. The unexpected vectors of attack resulting in more critical hits as ships defenses are overwhelmed.
Here. This may help. If you don't wish to read it, the short version is to try not to accuse others preemptively of not being able to see logic, when you aren't bringing any to the discussion yourself.
https://www.boundless.com/writing/paper-execution/planning-your-argument/structuring-your-argument/
It would really help your posting if you did read it though. Cheers and all that:)