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Oh, no they didn't: 5 tac console Raider.
twam
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Breen Plesh Brek Heavy Raider
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Cryptic finally introduces a 5 tac console Raider. But it's not a KDF BoP. Really? I mean, really?
Sure, it doesn't cloak, but it also has like 5k more hull and an additional Ensign slot over the fleet BoP's, in return. This thing blows our Raptors out of the water too, incidentally.
Thing is, I ain't even mad. Just surprised. Mostly at my being slightly disappointed. Those "other minor improvements to these ships" might pull the BoP's up to this level, but that would properly surprise me, tbh.
Edit: also I can't use the list code properly.
Ship Details
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- Rank Required: 40, Rear Admiral, Lower Half (Fed); Brigadier General (KDF); Subadmiral I (Rom)
Faction: All
- Availability: Winter Event Reputation Project
- Hull Strength: 29,700
- Shield Modifier: 0.88
-Crew: 50
-Weapons: 4 Fore, 2 Aft
-Device Slots: 2
- Base Turn Rate: 19 degrees per second
- Impulse Modifier: 0.21
- Inertia: 75
-Bridge Officer Stations: 1 Commander Tactical, 1 Ensign Universal, 2 Lieutenant Universal, 1 Lieutenant Commander Universal
- Console Modifications: 5 Tactical, 2 Engineering, 3 Science
- +15 Weapon Power
- Can Equip Dual Cannons
- Console ? Universal ? Sensor Disruption Field
-Improved Flanking
- Can equip the Breen Energy Dissipator that is found on the Breen Chell Grett Warship
Cryptic finally introduces a 5 tac console Raider. But it's not a KDF BoP. Really? I mean, really?
Sure, it doesn't cloak, but it also has like 5k more hull and an additional Ensign slot over the fleet BoP's, in return. This thing blows our Raptors out of the water too, incidentally.
Thing is, I ain't even mad. Just surprised. Mostly at my being slightly disappointed. Those "other minor improvements to these ships" might pull the BoP's up to this level, but that would properly surprise me, tbh.
Edit: also I can't use the list code properly.
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That's total BS. In PvE doing that with Borg npc running around in elite STF is asking to be popped. As for PvP ... Why not?
- Judge Aaron Satie
However, I'm not particularly looking forward to doing the whole grind thing across all my 6 KDF characters + maybe 2 of my Romulans and 1 or 2 Feds. That's assuming I'd be able to do it anyway, with my skiing trip and the holidays in there as well.
Then again, it would be an excellent substitute for PvE BoP or Raptor play. It's got hull bonus over my BoPs and turn and universals bonus over my Raptors. I mean, a Raptor with uni lt cmdr has been on my wishlist for a long time too...
-But only 2 Engineering consoles. Hmm. Are we looking at another glass cannon?
Anyone thinking 'The charge of the Light Brigade', here?
Frightening fast, Valiant and DOOMED(tm).
Captain: "What was that?"
Tactical Officer: "Sir, I dunno, Sir. It was a lot of fireworks, but it was smashed to pieces when it hit the hull of our ship".
Captain: "Oh, well. Carry on..."
No cloak, no life. Seriously, that thing may as well be made of tissue paper.
With the uni slots and the manouvrability/speed, I feel it could be made to work. Hell, I've run a casual pvp healer/tanking build on my Eng/B'rel, at some point. Sure, it's a glass cannon, but it does certainly come with the tools to make it viable, I think.
This ship only suffers from its shield mod, but honestly, you can easily get around it by hardening shields or slotting one or two field generators.
A fleet mate of mine uses the Nogh BoP with lt.cmd. sci and lt.cmd. eng, and only 3 tac consoles. It easily deals 12k while tanking everything except a gate or taccube (well he can, but its more tricky). All because of hardening and healing.
Now add 2 tacconsoles and have fun with a hard hitting raider, even though the missing BC is a downer.
Why care though?
The KDF raiders are getting a buff out of the deal as well, and only the KDF. I find that a win for us.
For all we know a future small buff to the Raider class may include a fifth Tac console.
I for one plan on enjoying the free gift given us.
R.I.P
As would I and when the Raider buff finally goes live (hopefully unnerfed by jealous outcry) I will blow the dust off my B'rel to enjoy it.
R.I.P
I'm just surprised to see a 5-tac console Raider, something people've been asking for a while around here, being made available in this form. Though, tbh, I see it competing with, even completely replacing, my Raptors rather than my Raiders, it not having a cloak and all. After all, I'd been hoping for a lt cmdr uni Raptor for a long time, to replicate the utility escort layouts in some fashion, in a ship with solid DPS potential.
But yeah, let's wait and see what the other tweaks to BoP's will be before passing final judgement
I'm sure your DPS is great, but as Kahless said, "a petaQ with high system mastery is still a petaQ." (Well, he should have said it...!)
My pessimism on the subject of the new Raider Mechanic has dropped quite a bit since yesterday.
It seems that Cryptic is giving the KDF a nice little boost to our Raiders.
For players that are wondering how in the world will we be able to take advantage of Flanking I got three words for you "Subspace Jump Console"
I believe the B'rel Retrofit will see a huge surge in popularity when Flanking goes live for the KDF.
My Stealth Bomber build is already parsing in at just under 10k (in Elite PVE Content) and I have yet to get my Mk XII Honor Guard set to add the extra 25% kinetic damage boost.
Now I can have my 25% kinetic damage boost from the Honor Guard set and a 25% vs. NPC all damage boost from attacking a target from behind and attacking from behind becomes much easier to do with the battle Cloak.
The icing on the cake with the B'rel retro is the fact that it can use all special console abilities while not breaking cloak so I can use the Subspace Jump Console to get into perfect Flanking position on any target.
Now I do not PVP much anymore and even when I do I tend to run team support but can you imagine the havoc that players that were already running successful Stealth Bomber builds will be able to cause with a Flanking damage boost?
I can hear the screams now of fed heavy players asking for better stealth detection on equipment because none of them are going to want to have to respec into stealth detection and give up the skill points to do so.
I think that Cryptic might have just found a way to get some money out of the KDF player base with very little effort on their part.
I am still hoping for a new BOP variant but even if we do not get one I think that if Flanking catches on, sales of the B'rel Retro, Fleet Modules for the Fleet B'rel and sales of the BOP with the Subspace Jump Console with pickup exponentially.
Not just the B'Rel and the Ch'Tang, but also the Ning'Tao due to it's Quad Cannons and the B'Rolth for the enhanced induction coils (+33 weapon AND engine power)....
R.I.P
The new flanking bonus sounds great and they did mention looking at other Raider aspects besides.
I have both of thoes and forgot all about them
*chuckles* Heh, sad part about that really is just how badly stealth detection already so easily outclasses the actual stealth skill if someone puts even a LITTLE effort for pretty much the reason you just mentioned. People don't wanna put effort into snooping.
Y'know, we may even see the long-awaited return of 'Nerf BoP' threads. And not just from Saxfire or Starwrath.
Do you understand how tactical consoles and ambush function?
Base KDF ambush is stronger than 2 MK XII Tactical consoles.
On top of this, with just 1 Rom Embassy Sci or Eng BOFF you can push KDF Ambush to +30% damage, which is more than 4 tactical consoles.
Think we're done?
We're not done.
+30% Ambush is actually higher than the Ambush you can get on a Rom Warbird (+25%).
Lastly?
BoPs will eventually get flanking.
Two things:
1) Curb your rage.
2) You're welcome.
Thats what teamwork is for.
R.I.P
LOL!
I was messing around in the War Zone for a bit tonight and I was testing my Stealth vs. the Federation players that I encountered and out of the 10 different Feds I came across not one could detect me until I fired on them.
Even after I fired my Torps they only had 3 seconds to return fire or try to lock on a Tractor beam because has soon has my Cloak reengaged I could be has close has 3 k from them but it seemed that they still could not see me.
Granted I'm a Science Captain that runs 130 Aux and I have a few points invested in Stealth
R.I.P
That is because most will never put anything into Sensors (which is also useful against placates and confuses), or at least use the lower tier Nebula console (which adds a LOT of Stealth detection). Heck, just running an EPTA and a couple points in sensors is enough to detect anyone not specced in cloaking.
Granted, a lot of KDF and Roms tend to not put much into actual Stealth outside of BOFF traits to be fair. Part of that is the expensiveness of the Stealth skill, and how it adds very little to actual usefulness. The only reason Romulan BOFFs were ever an issue is because they simply added SO much stealth due to stacking that nobody could ever see them unless they had a feeling they were there already.
Like Roach said, there's LOTS of ways for Feds to be even a partial snooper, trying to run a full snooper build isn't necessary unless that is your only focus in PvP, and that's kind of overkill anyways against most people.