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Recommended C-Store Ships?

xxmaelstrom11xxmaelstrom11 Member Posts: 4
edited December 2013 in The Academy
So I'm wondering what ships you'd all recommend for Rom or Klingon if I was to spend money on a ship. Which would you buy and why? I'm only level 12 so maybe the level 20-30 range would be best for now. Are any of those even worth it?

Thanks!
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  • o0kami87o0kami87 Member Posts: 590 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Until level 50 (and even then) the c-store ships are mostly cosmetic with vary minor boost from a console. So what ship you would want is purely personal based on taste, career, and play style.
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  • xxmaelstrom11xxmaelstrom11 Member Posts: 4
    edited December 2013
    o0kami87 wrote: »
    Until level 50 (and even then) the c-store ships are mostly cosmetic with vary minor boost from a console. So what ship you would want is purely personal based on taste, career, and play style.

    Yeah that's the feeling I get from looking at the wiki a bit. They all mostly only have an extra console. Maybe something else but eh. I may want to try one at 20 or 30. For $10 it's not bad I suppose.
  • weighyoursinweighyoursin Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Go with the one that has the plasmonic leech console if your getting a sub 50 ship
  • fraghul2000fraghul2000 Member Posts: 1,590 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Are any of those even worth it?

    Only if you happen to like the costume or desperately want the console.

    The problems with those mid- and lowlevel c-store ships is, that you won't spend a lot of time in them, as levelling goes amazingly fast in STO. If you buy a ship at level 20 and keep levelling and doing missions at a normal pace, you'll reach 30 and "outgrow" it after spending less than an hour of ingame time in it, even if it's your first character and your setup and knowledge of the game and it's quests isn't good yet.

    Also most low- and midlevel ships have a free variant and the improvement between the free versions and those found in the c-store are so marginal that it won't make the game easier or speed up your levelling by much.
  • lagomorphiclagomorphic Member Posts: 82 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    For a KDF character you you want the Vandal, it's a great ship for it's level range and it comes with the Plasmonic Leach console.

    For a Romulan you want the the Valdore, again it's a nice ship for it's level and it comes with an excellent console.

    For a KDF allied romulan you want both. You'll eventully outlevel these ships but but both of the consoles are auto include on nearly any ship build.
  • xxmaelstrom11xxmaelstrom11 Member Posts: 4
    edited December 2013
    lagomorphic wrote: »
    For a KDF character you you want the Vandal, it's a great ship for it's level range and it comes with the Plasmonic Leach console.

    For a Romulan you want the the Valdore, again it's a nice ship for it's level and it comes with an excellent console.

    For a KDF allied romulan you want both. You'll eventully outlevel these ships but but both of the consoles are auto include on nearly any ship build.

    So are you saying don't get one? But if I do, get one of those?
  • stonewbiestonewbie Member Posts: 1,454 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    xxmaelstrom11 wrote: »
    So are you saying don't get one? But if I do, get one of those?

    Romulan Allied with KDF
    -can use Valdore console (from c-store Valdore Heavy Warbird)
    -can use Plasmonic Leech console (from C-store Vandal Destroyer)

    KDF
    -cannot use Valdore console (it is restricted to Warbirds)
    -can use Plasmonic Leech console (from Vandal)


    Romulan Allied with Fed
    -can use Valdore console from c-store
    -has to buy Plasmonic Leech console from the exchange (10-15 million average price)

    Fed
    -cannot use Valdore console
    -has to buy Plasmonic Leech console from the exchange

    *note*
    Though i have never tried it myself technically you may be able to use the Valdore console on a KDF or Fed toon, but you would be restricted to the lower level romulan warbird ships.

    If you buy the Vandal or Valdore on the c-store you can claim the ship (and its console) as many times as you want on as many characters as you want, so long as they meet eligibility requirements. So if you plan on making 10 characters that are all Romulan allied with the KDF then you can claim the Valdore and Plasmonic Leech (from the Vandal) as many times as you want and it only costs you 2000 zen. It can be just 1 Rom-KDF, 2 Rom-KDF toons, or 10 Rom-KDF toons and in all cases it would only have cost you 2000 zen.
  • xxmaelstrom11xxmaelstrom11 Member Posts: 4
    edited December 2013
    stonewbie wrote: »
    Romulan Allied with KDF
    -can use Valdore console (from c-store Valdore Heavy Warbird)
    -can use Plasmonic Leech console (from C-store Vandal Destroyer)

    KDF
    -cannot use Valdore console (it is restricted to Warbirds)
    -can use Plasmonic Leech console (from Vandal)


    Romulan Allied with Fed
    -can use Valdore console from c-store
    -has to buy Plasmonic Leech console from the exchange (10-15 million average price)

    Fed
    -cannot use Valdore console
    -has to buy Plasmonic Leech console from the exchange

    *note*
    Though i have never tried it myself technically you may be able to use the Valdore console on a KDF or Fed toon, but you would be restricted to the lower level romulan warbird ships.

    If you buy the Vandal or Valdore on the c-store you can claim the ship (and its console) as many times as you want on as many characters as you want, so long as they meet eligibility requirements. So if you plan on making 10 characters that are all Romulan allied with the KDF then you can claim the Valdore and Plasmonic Leech (from the Vandal) as many times as you want and it only costs you 2000 zen. It can be just 1 Rom-KDF, 2 Rom-KDF toons, or 10 Rom-KDF toons and in all cases it would only have cost you 2000 zen.

    That's really good! I didn't know that lol! So over the Valdore and Vandal which would you recommend? And what levels are they for?
  • stonewbiestonewbie Member Posts: 1,454 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Both the ships are level 20 which are tier 2 ships, so thats the earliest you can get them (and their consoles). But keep in mind that the Valdore console is restricted to warbirds. But the Plasmonic Leech can be taken off of the Vandal and put on any ship in your ship list.

    As a romulan-kdf you can fly your own ships but you can also use tier 1 through tier 4 ships from the kdf. But as a pure kdf player you cannot use Romulan ships. Tier 5 ships whether they are c-store, mirror, or free ships you have to fly your own ships. Feds can only fly tier 5 fed ships, romulans can only use tier 5 romulan ships and kdf can only use tier 5 kdf ships. But again, for romulans you can use your allies ships as long as the ship is tier 4 or under. I've personally flown the Vandal Destroyer on my Rom-KDF toon. And i just checked a minute ago to see if i could claim the Valdore heavy warbird on one of my pure KDF toons and it wouldnt let me.

    http://sto.gamepedia.com/Playable_starship

    As far as your specific question, it depends if you are going to play a Rom-KDF or a pure KDF. If you are going with a pure KDF you can only get use the plasmonic leech console. If you are going to roll a Romulan-KDF then it depends. Plasmonic Leech raises your power levels anywhere between 10-20 power in all subsystems (the amount depends on your skill and consoles for Flow Capacitors). That extra power will increase dps, shield effectiveness, speed, turn rate, defense and aux power healing abilities. The Valdore Console gives you a chance to heal your ship shields depending on how much damage you do.

    I would say get the plasmonic leech first...in the future as you get into doing harder content and you tweak your ship build for more dps you can pick up the valdore for its console to help out with shield healing.
  • theonetruetomtheonetruetom Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    The universal console with the T'Varo is usable on any Warbird and adds a great deal of additional usefulness to higher-tier Romulans. Plus, if you're after the T'varo retro, the 2pc bonus is pretty handy.
  • xxmaelstrom11xxmaelstrom11 Member Posts: 4
    edited December 2013
    Can I fly the Vandal or only take it's console off? I'm a Rom-KDF.
  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,480 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    xxmaelstrom11 wrote: »
    Can I fly the Vandal or only take it's console off? I'm a Rom-KDF.

    Both. It's a T3 ship so it is available for KDF-Rom as well.
    This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
  • xxmaelstrom11xxmaelstrom11 Member Posts: 4
    edited December 2013
    questerius wrote: »
    Both. It's a T3 ship so it is available for KDF-Rom as well.

    Awesome :). And it's a level 20 ship? Sorry, I don't understand these tiers of ships really. So now the question is, should I just fly the ship or use my free ship from that level and just use the console from the Vandal?
  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,480 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    It's a commander level a.k.a. T3 ship.

    To use the vandal or just it's console is up to you. Personally i like the Mogai and haven't flown the vandal. It's all preference though.
    This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
  • xxmaelstrom11xxmaelstrom11 Member Posts: 4
    edited December 2013
    questerius wrote: »
    It's a commander level a.k.a. T3 ship.

    To use the vandal or just it's console is up to you. Personally i like the Mogai and haven't flown the vandal. It's all preference though.

    When do Romulans get T3 ships/are able to fly them?
  • variant37variant37 Member Posts: 867 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    xxmaelstrom11 wrote: »
    When do Romulans get T3 ships/are able to fly them?

    When your character hits level 20.

    Details here: http://sto.gamepedia.com/Player_rank

    My Reman flew a Vandal when she was levelling, from 20 up to 40, at which point I had access to T5 ships. The Vandal is a versatile little ship. The Romulan T4 ship you get access to at level 30 is the stock D'Deridex, which kind of sucks (and this is coming from a D'Deridex fan who has the fleet version). I preferred to stay with the Vandal and forget about the DD. Even when you're done flying the Vandal, the Plasmonic Leech console it comes with will ALWAYS be useful for power-deficient Romulan vessels and it can be fitted in any of them.. Buying that ship is Zen well spent.
  • edgecrysgeredgecrysger Member Posts: 2,740 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    My advise, dont waste any money until you reach level 50. Just "survive" with the ships you can freely buy with the tokens u gain when u reach upper levels. Because if you buy any ship at level 20 or 30 you will regret it (since you will always want to buy a "better" ship and the "good" ones are only available past level 50).

    I only know, starfleet ships are mostly science-engineer oriented, i am playing since 3 months ago trying to gather resources to buy the almost the only ship i can buy to fit my tactical career (the chimera), because all the other ones are mostly engineer-science. So the only option i have is to buy the chimera or any weird ship from the lobi store or so on.

    That is one of the reasons i dont like starfleet characters (and the stupid limited ugly outfits).

    But for romulan or klingon u will have a really good tactical options for ships, but as i said you should wait to level 50 to start thinking on buy a good ship.
  • xxmaelstrom11xxmaelstrom11 Member Posts: 4
    edited December 2013
    variant37 wrote: »
    When your character hits level 20.

    Details here: http://sto.gamepedia.com/Player_rank

    My Reman flew a Vandal when she was levelling, from 20 up to 40, at which point I had access to T5 ships. The Vandal is a versatile little ship. The Romulan T4 ship you get access to at level 30 is the stock D'Deridex, which kind of sucks (and this is coming from a D'Deridex fan who has the fleet version). I preferred to stay with the Vandal and forget about the DD. Even when you're done flying the Vandal, the Plasmonic Leech console it comes with will ALWAYS be useful for power-deficient Romulan vessels and it can be fitted in any of them.. Buying that ship is Zen well spent.

    Thanks! Then that's what I'll do! The Vandal will be mine!
  • jellico1jellico1 Member Posts: 2,719
    edited December 2013
    lagomorphic wrote: »
    For a KDF character you you want the Vandal, it's a great ship for it's level range and it comes with the Plasmonic Leach console.

    For a Romulan you want the the Valdore, again it's a nice ship for it's level and it comes with an excellent console.

    For a KDF allied romulan you want both. You'll eventully outlevel these ships but but both of the consoles are auto include on nearly any ship build.

    This the above poster

    For PvE . KDF characters pure and Romulan KDF make EC hand over fist so you can buy all the things you want for free

    Feds are poor i have many poor feds lol

    at level 50 get a scimitar for your romulan highest DPs ship in the game

    A KDf the jem dreadnought carrier is my pic KDF ships lag way behind the romulan ships and feds even and basically are good only for roleplaying a klingon i am sad to say.
    Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
    Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
    Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng

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  • darkjeffdarkjeff Member Posts: 2,590 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    edgecrysger wrote: »
    Because if you buy any ship at level 20 or 30 you will regret it (since you will always want to buy a "better" ship and the "good" ones are only available past level 50).
    Nobody with a Vandal regrets their purchase - ever.

    An unlimited supply of Leech consoles for every KDF-aligned character on the account? That's a huge thing.

    Even when you're level 50, that Leech console combined with an [AMP] core means anywhere from a 3% to 6% more damage than otherwise, while increasing the effectiveness of all your systems.
  • kozar2kozar2 Member Posts: 602 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    The advise you got on the 2 ships is spot on. Those 2 consoles play on all ships (that you can equip them on) end game but make levelling more fun too. Don't wait till lv 50 if you have the zen now. I did with several toons and kicked myself later.
  • xxmaelstrom11xxmaelstrom11 Member Posts: 4
    edited December 2013
    kozar2 wrote: »
    The advise you got on the 2 ships is spot on. Those 2 consoles play on all ships (that you can equip them on) end game but make levelling more fun too. Don't wait till lv 50 if you have the zen now. I did with several toons and kicked myself later.

    I just got the 1,000 for the Vandal. What's the advantage of having the Romulan C Store ship? Can you use both consoles on one ship in the end?

    And to a previous poster, why do Rom-KDF characters make money so easily?
  • norobladnoroblad Member Posts: 2,624 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Klingon side, I bought the siege ship (G-something siege something) and it is very nice. Its an escort type (maneuverable, 4 up front weapons, tac BOs, etc). It can't stealth, but it has a ship "skill" that is like attack pattern alpha, a free ship weapon (low dps, and only fires now and then, but its there) and it can has some energy weapon perk (I think it drains enemy energy levels).

    Its a bit pricy, dunno if it is "better" than a top bird of prey or not, but its pretty cool.

    If you are looking for a pure offense ship, this one may be worth a look.
  • woodwhitywoodwhity Member Posts: 2,636 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Vandal-Destroyer for plasmonic leech, and Valdore for shield-heal-console. Those are must-have consoles, because both are very powerful. As for endgame: even the free lv40-ships are quite worthwhile, but for a romulan the Scimitar(Beams) or the Arkif (DHC) are worthwhile.
  • xxmaelstrom11xxmaelstrom11 Member Posts: 4
    edited December 2013
    woodwhity wrote: »
    Vandal-Destroyer for plasmonic leech, and Valdore for shield-heal-console. Those are must-have consoles, because both are very powerful. As for endgame: even the free lv40-ships are quite worthwhile, but for a romulan the Scimitar(Beams) or the Arkif (DHC) are worthwhile.

    Nerf bat it to death? Lol. So I guess I could make another thread but meh I'll just do it here. What are the abbreviations on the weapons and ship items I keep seeing? [Acc], [Dmg], etc. What are these and do I want any particular ones?

    And thanks for the reply. Then I'll get the Vandal first and then the Valcore for its console :)
  • edgecrysgeredgecrysger Member Posts: 2,740 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    darkjeff wrote: »
    Nobody with a Vandal regrets their purchase - ever.

    An unlimited supply of Leech consoles for every KDF-aligned character on the account? That's a huge thing.

    Even when you're level 50, that Leech console combined with an [AMP] core means anywhere from a 3% to 6% more damage than otherwise, while increasing the effectiveness of all your systems.

    Federation players have really worst ships on early stages. Im not talking about klingon or romulan since i never played them, but i know the ships they have ^^

    And you will always want a ship with better stations and higher number of consoles, thats for sure, and you cant get that on lower tier ships.
  • stonewbiestonewbie Member Posts: 1,454 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    edgecrysger wrote: »
    My advise, dont waste any money until you reach level 50. Just "survive" with the ships you can freely buy with the tokens u gain when u reach upper levels. Because if you buy any ship at level 20 or 30 you will regret it (since you will always want to buy a "better" ship and the "good" ones are only available past level 50).

    Did you not read any of the posts in the thread before you posted?

    You dont buy a Vandal or Valdore for the ship, you buy them for their consoles. If i had plans to create 1 Rom-KDF Tac, 1 Rom-KDF Sci, 1 Rom-KDF Eng, 1 KDF Tac, 1 KDF Sci and 1 KDF Eng you know what that 20 dollar purchase bought me? i can give all my Rom-KDF a plasmonic leech console from the Vandal and a Valdore Console. I can also give each of my kdf toons a plasmonic leech. That's 6 plasmonic leech for $10...on the fed side 6 plasmonic leech would cost you 60-90 million EC. Thats the equivalent of 4500-6625 zen total for 6 plasmonic leech on the fed side.

    The two consoles are *that* good that i recommend buying both of them. On my ship that is moderately geared out i get a bunch of heals from the Valdore console that pop up. Four heals at 1k then 4 heals at 2.5k, or if my weapons crit i get 4 heals 4k instead. And Plasmonic Leech? with just skill talents you can have +16 power to all systems just from plasmonic leech. Plus 19 and +20 should be possible if you put flow capacitor consoles on. For Romulan ships that extra power helps because each subsystem runs at 10 less power then Fed or KDF ship. But if you put the plasmonic leech on a KDF ship then you get 15-20 free power in each subsystem. Next time you are in your ship adjust your power level by 15-20 in each subsystem to see how much it affects your dps, shield resistance, speed, turn rate, defense and healing abilities.
  • xxmaelstrom11xxmaelstrom11 Member Posts: 4
    edited December 2013
    And someone even said you can fly the Vandal safely from 20-40 which gives it even more usage. I may just take the console into whatever free ship I get but I figure the C Store ship will be better than the free ship if even only slightly.
  • sonnikkusonnikku Member Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Both the valdore and the leech console are powerful. So much so in fact I strongly suggest both. But if you can only pick one, pick the plasmonic leech. It's always on and always effective in combat, unlike the valdore console that works when it wants to and not always when you most need a shield heal. (just make sure you make out 9 point flow capacitor skill in your build and maybe get a [FlwC] mod on your deflector if affordable) That sucker will give you 15 more power in ALL FOUR subsystems. A big deal for everyone. A HUGE deal for Romulans, especially leveling Romulans that don't yet have all the extra power you get from high level skills points. Align your rom with the KDF and all your rom and kdf characters can get their leech console for free after the initial investment of 1k zen. Feds pay 15 mil a character. Ouch!

    Also, if you're wise enough to align with KDF pay careful attention when leveling up to mouse over the space traits of the pick of three bridge officer's you're offered every 15 or so levels. Always select one that says "Romulan Operative", regardless of whether you need a tactical/engineer/science doff. Rom Operative space traits are worth 8-10 million credits on the exchange, a non-trival amount of money for people leveling up. Once sold, buy yourself 5 Naasicans for your space bridge crew. Their "Pirate" space trait is nearly as good as romulan operative and the price of getting a whole crew of 5 is likely less than one Rom Operative. Usually a meager 1000 energy credits each.
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  • xxmaelstrom11xxmaelstrom11 Member Posts: 4
    edited December 2013
    Wow 15M! So I should get one around level 15 right? And I'll pick the Romulan Operative. Got it. That's really helpful thanks!

    I don't understand the benefit of the Naasicans though. Why get something that costs 1,000 when I have something worth 15M lol
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