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Raiders buff incoming. What do you think it is?

rosetyler51rosetyler51 Member Posts: 1,631 Arc User
edited December 2013 in Klingon Discussion
Wanted to be the first to start talking about the upgrade coming to raiders.

A few questions.

What do you think the buff is going to be?

What do you want the buff to be?

How soon with Feds start asking for a raider class of ships after the buff happens

Last one: Could this raider buff be part of the new KDF ship that is in the work?
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  • drkfrontiersdrkfrontiers Member Posts: 2,477 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    "plus a substantial playstyle upgrade that will be coming to the Raider class as a whole at a future date."

    LOL Yeah this caught me eye. Yippppppeeeeee!
  • twamtwam Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I've seen a dev mention a flanking mechanism recently. It was received with moderate approval. I'd say that could well be it.

    I mean, it's a playstyle upgrade, so that's an addition alla Cruiser Commands, not a straight up buff.

    I'm curious, I'll admit that much. Love my BoP's...
  • urniv821urniv821 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    twam wrote: »
    I've seen a dev mention a flanking mechanism recently. It was received with moderate approval. I'd say that could well be it.

    I mean, it's a playstyle upgrade, so that's an addition alla Cruiser Commands, not a straight up buff.

    I'm curious, I'll admit that much. Love my BoP's...

    Gosh darn you!

    I was going to guess at a flanking buff!
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  • panserbjorne39panserbjorne39 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    This is great to hear! Maybe I'll give that Ho'sus a go afterall. :D It's good to know that the Dev's do listen, and are doing something for the KDF and the iconic raiders.
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Flanking would be cool with a general toughness buff.
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    With this breen raider being usable by all players and the feds already having Rom options plus the Defiant as an option, they should have no need for a raider class.
    They got it covered.
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  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    what's the source for this?
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  • rosetyler51rosetyler51 Member Posts: 1,631 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    ursusmorologus wrote: »
    what's the source for this?

    Dev Blog. They talked the new breen ship and it was kind of a preview for something new for raiders. linky here http://sto.perfectworld.com/blog/?p=1053101
  • rezkingrezking Member Posts: 1,109 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I think it will be like the Cruiser Command thing.

    I'd like our BoPs to have secondary weapons and consoles layouts that you can toggle mid-fight.
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  • serevnserevn Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Five fore weapon slots!
  • futurepastnowfuturepastnow Member Posts: 3,660 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Geko mentioned the space flanking mechanic in an interview not all that long ago, so that's probably it. Should be a neat bonus.

    I doubt any existing ships that aren't classified as Raiders will be changed, so that limits it to BoPs and this Breen ship.
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  • coupaholiccoupaholic Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    To hazard a guess I would assume Raider class vessels will earn some kind of passive bonuses for attacking the flank of another enemy. Like enhanced shield penetration or accuracy or something.
  • zipagatzipagat Member Posts: 1,204 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Feds getting a raider I would guess. Usually Cryptic don't bother to buff or fix KDF stuff unless they are giving it to another faction. Carriers for example.
  • dahminusdahminus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    zipagat wrote: »
    Feds getting a raider I would guess. Usually Cryptic don't bother to buff or fix KDF stuff unless they are giving it to another faction. Carriers for example.

    The new Breen ship is the raider.

    Flanking will probably be akin to an out of cloak damage bonus...

    How does is this any different to any other ship "flanking?"

    Maybe it will be bonus damage when 2 or more raiders decloak and attack?
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  • burstdragon323burstdragon323 Member Posts: 853 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    If it's like ground flanking, I would assume that we would get a damage bonus for attacking the sides and back of a target for extra damage.
  • sgtstarfallsgtstarfall Member Posts: 205 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    My personal thought on the flanking damage is that it should be applied to every ship in general, not just raider class vessels. Perhaps Raiders can get a crit chance or crit severity bonus from flanking? Guess we'll find out when it gets here...
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  • voporakvoporak Member Posts: 5,621 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I didn't know that starships, big flying metal objects with equal shields and hull material spread around, would take more damage from the side... :confused:

    However thrown waaaaay out of reality it is, it would help BoP's damage by making its alpha strike more deadly.
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  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,506 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    rosetyler51 wrote: »
    Wanted to be the first to start talking about the upgrade coming to raiders.

    A few questions.

    What do you think the buff is going to be?

    What do you want the buff to be?

    How soon with Feds start asking for a raider class of ships after the buff happens

    Last one: Could this raider buff be part of the new KDF ship that is in the work?

    Probably something like a build-in placate and/or flanking bonus.
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  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Hopefully its well thought-out, balanced, and something that tailors to the flexibility of the BoP rather than some lame DPS enhancement for people who think they're escorts.

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  • fovrelfovrel Member Posts: 1,448 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I hope not. Flanking a starship, side and aft shields take more damage - what is the idea behind this, are those shields weaker? Everybody on the bridge is looking forward at the big screen not realizing enemies are at the sides and aft. The rest of your 1500 man crew are playing darts in the meshroom. So yeah everybody is more or less of guard. Anybody agree with me that it doesn't make much sense.

    We already have a flanking mechanism in space. It is the fact that most of your harder hitting weapons are directed to the front and aft.
  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    fovrel wrote: »
    I hope not. Flanking a starship, side and aft shields take more damage - what is the idea behind this, are those shields weaker?
    Maybe it's not weakening enemy flanks... but strengthening your own.
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Sadly the feds are already making assumptions that a fed raider class is comming....

    Which makes no sense to me since neither Star Fleet or the UFP follow the tactic of looting and pillaging other species.

    I hope the Breen Raider is the only one avaible to the feds, though I would not be against thr Aquariuos getting the benefits of the new Raider upgrade in the future.
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  • majortiraomegamajortiraomega Member Posts: 2,214 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    In ground combat, attacking from the rear 180 degree arc of a target will net the player with a flat +50% damage boost. I hope that's never added to escorts, just what we need, another reason for escorts to sit on someone's aft section. Now for Bird of Prey/Raiders, that could be very interesting indeed.
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    patrickngo wrote: »
    kind of my point-we have a word, it could be a 'teaming' bonus for pack tactics, it could be a speed bonus (Flank Speed-run like hell in most games), it could be a bonus for attack locations, it could just be a turn rate/impulse speed bonus (to get you around the flank)...

    all we have is a name.

    whatsit gonna have?

    well...since it's intended for Fed players (sure the ship's cross-faction, but we already have fully 1/4 of our inventory of available ships are 'Raiders') it's going to be somewhere in the ballpark of a Heggie for turn rate, accelleration, and weapons positions, it MAY also be packing an all-universal BOff layout and balanced consoles.

    it could even be running with 9 consoles in a 3/3/3 layout (a bit better than a Heggie's 2/3/3 layout).

    since it has no cloak, expect it to have decent hull and shield numbers, since we presume the devs learned from the Aquarius, those hull and shields will be better than a Hegh'ta by a fair to significant margin.
    Rumor says it may be;
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  • timezargtimezarg Member Posts: 1,268
    edited December 2013
    I'm hoping for something that makes raiders faster, like a higher impulse modifier. Right now they move the same speed as escorts while being unable to really stand toe-to-toe with 'em. Even a small boost to .21 for all T5 raiders (including the free Hegh'ta) would be welcome.
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  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    sgtstarfall wrote: »
    My personal thought on the flanking damage is that it should be applied to every ship in general, not just raider class vessels. Perhaps Raiders can get a crit chance or crit severity bonus from flanking? Guess we'll find out when it gets here...

    I can see it working on ground. Since you are getting hit from the back or sides. Where your less likely to defend against. However on a ship, you have defense all way around. So there isn't much a weak area.
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  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I don't see how a flanking will work. Since ships are more defended with shields and weapons. Where on the ground you can't really defend or attack behind you or your sides.

    I say a boost on weapons, power, or some way to increase attack for a period of time. Only time will tell what it will do. We will see tomorrow when they show the ship and what it can do.
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    timezarg wrote: »
    I'm hoping for something that makes raiders faster, like a higher impulse modifier. Right now they move the same speed as escorts while being unable to really stand toe-to-toe with 'em. Even a small boost to .21 for all T5 raiders (including the free Hegh'ta) would be welcome.

    A buff for fighting within range of another raider class vessel would be cool. Though it would be useless for solo play.....
    Maybe a decloak alpha bonus for decloaking on a foes flanks???
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