Recommended Tier 5 Rom and KDF ships?

tyambur

Hi everyone,

I'm a new player as a Romulan and Klingon but I was able to get both of my alts to level 50. I was hoping to get some recommendations for ships? I currently am using the 1000 day vet reward and it's pretty good for my play style.

On my Fed character, I favor higher-turning cruisers like the Excelsior and Avenger or really high turn escorts like the Risian Vette. I don't feel competent enough to take full advantage of science ships.

I know the Romulan has the T'Varo Retrofit, but it's stats are so close to the Risian that I could just keep that ship? Or perhaps the cloak and Singularity skills are worth it?

So far I find the 1000 day vet reward a good balance that affords flexibility so I may end up sticking with those.

Thank you everyone for your suggestions!

thegalaxy31

Many people like the Dhelan, but I think it's meh. I would've suggested the Scimitar, but you like high turn rate escorts, so, it's sort of limited. If I were you, just try the Dhelan.

rakija879

for kdf:
1. Tor'Kaht
2. Kamarag
3. Fleet Scourge

romulan:
1. Mogai
2. Scimitar

rylanadionysis

The Dhelan is the boss after the Tvaro, and it is much more flexible in its applications/boff layout. Its an escort for sure, but it has a Uni LT and LTComm Sci. It can do some rather incredible things in the right hands.

The Scim is a little too slow for your playstyle id reckon. The Mogai isnt bad, its basically the Engineering cousin to the Dhelan

or in fed ship terms, the Steamrunner to the MVAE/FAE

tyambur

Thanks everyone! I admit the Scimitar looks cool - with a base turn rate of 7 I'm tempted. I have the Odyssey and its turn rate of 6 was way too sluggish. I've made some really wide turns that made me feel like I was in orbit rather than in a fight. I just got the Excelsior (8 turn rate) and with 2 RCS Consoles it's not too bad. Maybe I just need to load up on consoles.

I want to thank everyone on their inputs and I'm seriously looking at each of these and seeing which one(s) I'll get.

doffingcomrade

Scimitar has no room for much in the way of consoles, but it still a wrecking ball, the most destructive ship in the game. If you want to inflict massive damage, you'll just have to suck it up. Other Romulan choices if you want to be more Escortesque rather than a Giant Escort With a Cruiser Turn Rate, include the T'Varo, the Dhelan, and the Mogwai. Worth noting, however, is that the strengths of Romulan Escorts (and really Romulan ships in general) are largely negated in PvE, while they are PvP monsters, while the Scimitar is a far stronger (strongest in the game) performer in PvE. The ability to cloak at will isn't too useful when it means the pewpew stops in PvE.

For KDF? You have the Vetship? Use it! It's one of the best ships in the KDF. Its Romulan counterpart, which happens to be an exact copy, on the other hand...is bottom-tier. That shield mod is awful. Romulans are OP.

dova25

doffingcomrade wrote: »

For KDF? You have the Vetship? Use it! It's one of the best ships in the KDF. Its Romulan counterpart, which happens to be an exact copy, on the other hand...is bottom-tier. That shield mod is awful. Romulans are OP.

^ Very true ,sadly.

If you want to play Kdf best way is to roll a kdf aligned romulan or use a kdf char with a lockbox ship.

fenr00k

The turn rate on the Scimitar isn't an issue in PvE if you fly it right and have the helmsman trait. It's the inertia that messes most people up, whilst others like myself love the inertia. Flying sideways with your DHCs pointing at your target the entire time is just pure fun. Get it right and you can basically fly donuts around your target, your DHCs on target the entire time.

It's a beast of a ship in the right hands, so much so that some players have moth balled theirs as they ended up feeling like it was making the game too easy.

I personally dislike the Dhelan, it's too science oriented. The turn etc is fine, but I just don't like the bridge officer layout on it. The Mogai is just too engineering heavy. End of the day, PvE tank is low on my list. The ha'feh is a nice cheap little escort though (free if you get the level 40 version, cheap if you buy the mirror universe version), the fleet version is on my wish list for when the fleet I am in hits T5 shipyard. :cool:

T'Varo is tremendous fun to fly for sure, just like the corvette but with singularity powers. I'd say though that it's better suited to PvP than PvE.

tyambur

Thanks everyone for their input!

After some consideration and swayed by the discount on zen and ships, I went with the Scimitar 3-pack for my Romulans and sticking with my Vet ship for the Klingons.

I forgot about the Helmsman trait. Actually, I had received one when I first started playing and unlocked some boxes, but never used it.

I put 2 RCS consoles on it and so far it seems relatively maneuverable. I can definitely see the damage potential with it!

Thank you everyone for your help! I would not have picked it except for your feedback.

cerealplayer

fenr00k wrote: »

The turn rate on the Scimitar isn't an issue in PvE if you fly it right and have the helmsman trait.

The Helmsman trait adds a whopping 0.7 turn rate to your Scimitar. Congrats!

fenr00k wrote: »

I personally dislike the Dhelan, it's too science oriented. The turn etc is fine, but I just don't like the bridge officer layout on it.

Odd, I love my Dehlan, I just find it a bit too tac oriented. I really wish that Tac Ensign were Sci, Eng, or universal instead. Other than that, the Dehlan is TERRIFIC ship. It can't crank out the pain like a Scimitar can, but it can whiz around throwing grav wells and still pump out pretty terrific damage.

I have both the Dehlan and Scimitar. I'm currently flying the Dehlan as I find it more enjoyable for the content I'm currently running on my Rommie: Breach Elite, and Dyson dailies.

fenr00k

You may think that 0.7 is a tiny pointless amount, but when you are using DHCs that 0.7 can make the difference between your target been just inside that 45 degree arc and just outside of the 45 degree arc. Or in other words, the difference between hitting your target and missing it.

If you love the Dhelan, you probably think that the MVAE is awesome too. Just personal preference, and end of the day that's all anybody is giving past a certain point. I have a fleet MVAE on my human too that I barely use as I prefer my Kumari, JHDC, Fleet Avenger or Fleet Excelsior. The thing is, I have my Scimitar set up to throw out grav wells too, so I'm not missing out on these. The only big down side with a Scimitar is that it doesn't have escort like handling, if I am going up against fast moving targets though I simply switch to a FAW build with beam arrays instead of my DHCs.

As I say though, it's entirely a matter of personal choice what somebody flies. Some folks prefer a more seat of the pants, zip around style, some like power sliding, some like slow and ponderous.

Tyambur, if you haven't got that Valdore console you really are missing out. That and the plasmonic leech are just awesomeness.

Regards

dracounguis

tyambur wrote: »

I went with the Scimitar 3-pack for my Romulans and sticking with my Vet ship for the Klingons.

Glad you got the 3-pack, was going to suggest that if you did. I got the Scimitar 3-pack too in the sale and I like it. The +2 turn bonus on the 3-piece set is very nice. It turns good for a big ship.

lomax6996

I can't speak to either of the Vet Reward ships as I'm not there, yet, and have no personal experience. However from what I've seen they may well be your best bet. Beyond that I have similar tastes to yours. On KDF side I have a Fleet Torkaht that I love... it's the best ship in the game, IMO... at least until the Avenger came along (have a Fleet Avenger now and am LOVING it!). For Rom I have a Fleet Valdore that seems, to me, to be the closest thing to a Torkaht/Avenger in the Rom shipyards. However I can assure you once I reach 1000 day I'm grabbing that Rom reward ship (unless something newer/better is around by then) and strongly suspect THAT will become my new "precious" heheheheh :rolleyes:

tyambur

Thanks everyone for their input. One of the things I really like about STO is that it seems to be fairly good at meeting people's play style. It would be very sad if everyone went to get the same ship.

To be honest, one of the factors that led me to the Scimitar was the movie tie-in. I realize that some may find that a bit of a sucker move, but (for me) it adds to the fun and as long as I'm not being a total boob while playing pub matches then I don't sweat about it too much. I also like having 3 similar variants so I can build a beam boat and cannon boat and not have to juggle all the items and BOffs.

I may take a look at the Dhelan later since it looks to be a nice balance between durability and maneuverability. I shamefully admit that I also picked up the Starter pack to get the T'Varo warbird since that affords the most maneuverability. I may use that in more dogfight STFs

Thank you all again. I really enjoy this MMO community!

oschw

I know you made your decision allready, but personally, i would suggest Stick to the lvl 40 Ships!

Play them for 3 months straight, deck them out in top notch gear, learn their ins and outs,
because, while they are worse then the LvL 50 cstore/fleet ships, they can teach you the basics VERY well, i own most of the c store ships by now, and have found my "best" ships on each faction/class, yet still, i go back to the lvl 40 ships once in a while, just to work on my basics again, without all those fancy toys, the better ships bring.

It helps a lot in becoming better at the game, and enables you to put your expensive toys to even better use.

worffan101

My personal advice:

KDF side has some awesome cruisers. Bortas'qu is worthless--too low turn and too high inertia, especially given your play style. Destroyer is grossly OPed compared to other KDF ships, especially in pvp. I fly a K'tinga retrofit on my Klingon, and it is boss. Some endgame RCS accelerators make it like a supertough escort. Fleet tor'khat and fleet kamarag are basically more powerful k'tingas. Get one of those ASAP if you like the k'tinga retrofit.

KDF ships are underpowered in pvp, especially compared to Rommies. However, they are boss in pve (personal opinion, others may disagree). Bortas'qu even has some value in Entity leet runs--if you outfit it right, it's capable of unbelievable forward power, and with a savvy pilot you can avoid getting caught in the blasts. Plus it can handle the punishment. Otherwise, Bortas'qu is a tempermental and often underpowered ship, especially when improperly outfitted. My fleet boss has one fully loaded, but he's been playing the game for a really long time and has incredibly leet gear.

Rommies: Scimitar with RCS consoles is ridiculously OPed, pve or pvp. Rommie destroyer--haven't flown it personally or seen it in combat, but I have heard that it's a little like a fleet ha'feh (note: third-hand info). I don't fly one, but I've seen one in action. Base scimitar, unmodified, went up against my mirror ha'apax, at the time loaded to the brim with damage resist stuff and with maximum shield heal, and I got blown out of the water in 10 seconds. I even dodged the thalaron ?bergun. Still went down. Outfitted, the Scimitar is the single best ship in the game, except maybe for an outfitted bugship piloted by a leet pvp veteran.

T'varo retrofit: I fly one of these (base version, not fleet). Great in pvp, especially if you have backup. A little weak on the hull like a tacscort, but load it up on rapid-fire transphasic torps and a MK11 purple har'pehng torp with plasma turrets in back, and it is boss. You can fire torps while cloaked in it, making it probably the best torp boat in the game. Incredibly maneuverable, very similar to a tacscort. Enhanced cloak is in trade for some raw combat potential, but a good captain in a fleet t'varo can take a tacscort. Can run rings around feds in oddys and blow them to kingdom come. I took down a fully loaded Kumari escort in mine once.

Dhelan retrofit: Heard from a fleetmate that this is good in CE runs but not as good as a scimitar. He says that it really shines in pvp though.

Fleet D'deridex, fleet Ha'apax, and Haakona: All too slow and clunky for your purposes. Decent tanks though.

Fleet mogai: Don't know much. Don't know anyone who's tried, never seen in action. Ditto for other fleet ships.

Ar'kif retrofit: This is apparently a good ship, similar to the Dhelan and t'varo though. I'd wait on this one until it becomes better known.

Hope you enjoy your scimitar! Also, what oschw said.

cptshephard

I use a Fleet Dhelan for Ril'el and I don't dislike it but it's not my favorite ship either. I actually think I prefer my other Romulan's D'deridex. I've only had it two days so I probably just need time to get used to it and tweak it a bit because it seems like it should be a good little ship.

I can't help but wonder if I should have bought one of the Scimitar variants during the ship sale though and used it instead.